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mrbowlingnut

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lane 1 has become jerks!!
« on: August 12, 2004, 02:42:46 AM »
I own and have owned at least 10 saws and now they are controlling the minium price that they can be sold at!!!!! I think this sucks and i am done buying from them for now join in with me and protest buying them until they drop price control!!!! I am disappointed by you Mr. Buzzsaw after long emails between me and you two weeks ago and i am now done with your company i feel others on this site should oppose your new methods also!!!!
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Steven

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2004, 07:34:56 PM »
Dan: Price fixing is control (by agreement among producers or by government) of the price of a commodity.

"Among producers" is the key phrase above. If Lane#1 and Brunswick get together and establish a minimum price for their respective equipment, then price fixing has occurred. On the other hand, if Lane#1 tells their respective resellers the minimum price that their equipment can be sold for, then Lane#1 is on solid legal ground.  

Lane#1 obviously wants to maintain their price point. That's their legal right.
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TyLytle

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2004, 07:41:19 PM »
WOW! Brick you OK??  I have an El Nino Gold I will sell you...LOL

Just kidding with ya..

Ty
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2004, 07:41:40 PM »
Steven is 100 percent correct on this issue, i am stating that we who do oppose this price fixing issue to no longer support there company. So i will buy every other brand brand new and when i buy another saw it will be used, i will not pay 180 plus for another ball not matter what brand it is. Btw my local shop charges me between 100-120 for midline and 160 for high end out the door, they were forced to stop selling lane 1 when balls were not warranteed and prices were raised on under case purchases.
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TyLytle

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2004, 08:07:49 PM »
With this post and the other one started by beans, Makes me wonder if Lane 1 maybe on the verge of self destruction. Minimum pricing, arguing between retailers, and bad attitudes of pro staffers. Not a good thing.

I have had two Lane 1 balls, Didn't like either. I won't buy any others for sure now. I was thinking about a uranium, But naa, I will stick with Storm, Dyno, And Brunswick foremost.

Ty
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JOE FALCO

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2004, 10:38:08 PM »
As I said before:

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Glad you folks have finally seen the light .. although I HAVE BOUGHT Lane 1 balls ..  I've seen all along what you guys are talking about .. .. there will be bowlers that won't see it .. but all I can do is WISH THEM LUCK!
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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2004, 11:16:43 PM »
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Dan: Price fixing is control (by agreement among producers or by government) of the price of a commodity.

"Among producers" is the key phrase above. If Lane#1 and Brunswick get together and establish a minimum price for their respective equipment, then price fixing has occurred. On the other hand, if Lane#1 tells their respective resellers the minimum price that their equipment can be sold for, then Lane#1 is on solid legal ground.  

Lane#1 obviously wants to maintain their price point. That's their legal right.
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Let's see, I said it was legal.  And it's legal because the end consumer still has the choice to buy a different brand of bowling ball.

THey are selling their product for price X.  They are then requiring the vendors to resell their product for price Y.  There are varying degrees of price fixing, this falls in to it.  I'm sorry for trying to simplify the concept for those out there without Economics degrees.

The proshops can not differentiate based on product, as all Lane 1 balls are of the same quality.  Now, the manufacturer has taken away the ability to differeniate based on Price.  There go 2 key ways to differentiate yourself from the competition.

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seadrive

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2004, 10:53:28 AM »
Dan, you mentioned anti-trust cases in your message accusing Lane #1 of price fixing.  That type of violation always requires collusion among industry players, which is why Steven jumped all over you.

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Steven

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2004, 01:54:52 PM »
seadrive: Thanks for clarifying what I was trying to say. In essence, without collusion among completing producers, there is not "price fixing" in a legal sense.

 
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Steven, there is a difference between selling your product at whatever price you desire, and requiring that secondary sellers charge for your product. It is also known as Price fixing, and is generally one of the items brought up during anti trust cases.  


Dan: When you brought up anti trust cases, you were at least inferring that Lane#1's tactics bordered on being illegal. So you did in fact put your toe into the legal playpen.

 
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<hangs head in shame and tears up Bachelor's of Economics degree>
 


Don't tear that Economics degree up! I received my Economics degree from UCLA, and I'm proud of all the work that went into earning it -- be proud of yours too.

However, sometimes we get excited and get caught up in the emotion of what we want to see vs. what's actually legal and prevalent throughout the US economy. Clearly, Lane#1 wants to position themselves as a premium line of bowling balls, and they desire to establish pricing accordingly. The market ultimately dictates if this is acceptable, so I don't really understand why this is an emotional issue.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2004, 02:37:57 PM »
Look folks.........it's not breaking the law.....like it or not.....

Bose Corporation does the same thing ! Deal with it.......

I am a non bias Lane 1 person....don't love em, don't hate em.......
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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2004, 03:00:10 PM »
For clarification, can one of the various pro-shop or distributors chime in here?  What is Lane1 saying will happen if you opt to sell their product at a price lower than the minimum Lane1 has set?  Is the ramification of selling below the minimum price that Lane1 will no longer sell to you?

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JOE FALCO

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2004, 03:09:46 PM »
JANDER .. about a year ago .. a PRO shop told me what would happen is exactly as you described. That particular shop stopped selling immediately! If all the shops took that action I wonder what LANE1 would do?
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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2004, 03:32:10 PM »
I hate sound stupid but can someone explain to me this situation.

Is lane1 not giving the shops a lower price based quanity  brought?
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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2004, 04:46:03 PM »
Buddies is selling the Uranium solid on ebay for 165.00 Buy it now price....another seller at 170.00 Buy it now price....& there are several going for less than 120.00 with a couple of days left....So whats all the fuss about?
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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2004, 04:54:36 PM »
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Buddies is selling the Uranium solid on ebay for 165.00 Buy it now price....another seller at 170.00 Buy it now price....& there are several going for less than 120.00 with a couple of days left....So whats all the fuss about?



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Saw Mill

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Re: lane 1 has become jerks!!
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2004, 09:33:22 PM »
GG221,

What happened to?  You used to love your Saws, and they were working well for you.  As for them burning up; if drilled for the condition, and used on the right condition, they WILL not burn up.  Not one Saw that I have burns up, when used on the right condition.  I will continue to Saw up the pins, and I would take the challenge to match any of my Saws up against any of the haters.  See, that is the difference bewteen most Saw users and ANY other ball user, we may love our stuff, BUT we do not say that the others suck just because they are not Saws.

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