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Retroman

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Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« on: August 16, 2006, 04:51:19 AM »
Well, It looks like the lane 1 bruns relationship is nearing an end, The word is that lane 1 is going to Columbia as there new Manufacturer for there balls, There has been rumors that it was Ebonite, But i had it confirmed that it was not, And it won't be Brunswick, So That would leave Storm or Columbia as the Major mfg left.

I hope that Columbia would have there act together as far as there coverstocks are concerned because i was not impressed with there stuff in the past...., I hope that this does not become a bad move on there part as lane 1's balls in my opinion have been superior.
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2006, 09:21:24 PM »
Well I look at this situation with mixed feelings:

PROS

-Manufacture in USA is a good thing.  This doesn't sway my decisions on any purchases, however.

-We might get a chance to experience a new line of balls with varying reactions from what we have seen the last several years.  It is interesting simply from a curiosity standpoint.

-Overhead MAY be cheaper.  Hopefully that savings would be passed on to the consumers.

-POSSIBLY an opportunity to silence some of the Lane #1 haters, if the new equipment does in fact perform as well or better.


CONS

-I hate Columbia covers.  I hate the mixing and the distinctively C300 pattern.  I haven't seen one that really appealed to me since the Original Beast Pearl that I still own. I think Doug Sterner also said this.  To be fair, I haven't thrown a C300 cover in a while with the exception of a Track Machine.  Not terribly impressed.

-We may not be able to duplicate the reaction or the matchup of cover/core with another company.  That would be a shame because that matchup is what brought me to Lane #1.

-Potential QC problems that have made C300 infamous.


Right now the only stuff I throw other than Lane #1 is Brunswick stuff.  I have dabbled a little in some Ebonite (the One) and Track (Machine), and now I am experimenting with LaneMasters, MoRich and Hammer (just got a few new balls).

All I can say is I know I can trust Brunswick-based equipment, and I can't say the same for the other stuff I own.  I am not sure that I want to spend a small fortune to take a chance on something I don't totally trust, even if it does have my beloved Diamond core.  For me it is about that beautiful matchup of Activator-based covers and Lane #1's cores.  Don't really want to rely on anything else; even the older Lane #1's (non-Activator based) are not as appealing to me.  I give big B full credit for supplying the BEST covers on the market, and love that they are wrapped around my Buzzsaws.

I am sure that many people feel the same as I do about replacing an arsenal over time with covers they may not be familiar with or trust as much.  An arsenal does cost big bucks, and if I am going to spend my money, I want to have that predictability and familiarity that comes with the big B covers.

Given that, I will likely at least try a C300-covered Buzzsaw, but if I don't like it, I may have to go all Big B.  Lane #1 has earned my loyalty and they have it as long as the product matches up to me, but if their product no longer matches up because of this change, I will be forced to switch allegiance.  I have had great success with Brunswick equipment, and have not with C300.

All this being said, I am open to the possibility, however unlikely it may seem, that the new cover/core matchup will be GREAT, and that possibility is exciting to me.  It will open the door to a whole new line of great equipment, and in this case I can continue to support Lane #1 as the great company they are.
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2006, 09:48:45 PM »
If they use the low flaring bullet core and an aggressive superflex base they could remake a ball almost identical to the motion of the original Pulse.  I'd buy it just purely on reaction.  Hopefully it'd be black so I could sharpie out all the labels
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2006, 09:54:27 PM »
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I am glad though that they are staying in the US of A. I am sure with all the covers Columbia makes (between Track, AMF, and Themselves), that they will find those that will match up extremely well.  


Personaly, I would love to see some of the Track coverstocks on Lane 1 balls.
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2006, 11:47:15 PM »
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I bet the price does not change much, But the taste thats stays in my mouth and it is a bad 1 is the 30 game Death of the TEC covers and the cracking, weeping coverstock of the epoxy resin EPX, We have not had to tolerate any bad batches of balls, But i am very skeptical that columbia will be able provide us with a superior product like what we have now, As far as i am concerned, The confidece for me is not there.
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I have a problem with your post.... TEC was columbia's first attempt at a particle coverstock, thus a new technology. The EPX was a new coverstock, thus a new technology. There is a history of some problems with new technology, rhino pro's cores seperating, paradigms cracking, etc. With time, all problems were worked out, and will continue to be. ALL major companies have made resin bowling balls for well over 10 years now, as problems come along for ALL companies, they are corrected, otherwise big b, columbia, ebonite, storm, etc wouldn't still be in business.
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2006, 11:55:55 PM »
As an insider I say just wait.  You are in for a some big surprises!
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Retroman

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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2006, 07:01:07 AM »
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I bet the price does not change much, But the taste thats stays in my mouth and it is a bad 1 is the 30 game Death of the TEC covers and the cracking, weeping coverstock of the epoxy resin EPX, We have not had to tolerate any bad batches of balls, But i am very skeptical that columbia will be able provide us with a superior product like what we have now, As far as i am concerned, The confidece for me is not there.
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I have a problem with your post.... TEC was columbia's first attempt at a particle coverstock, thus a new technology. The EPX was a new coverstock, thus a new technology. There is a history of some problems with new technology, rhino pro's cores seperating, paradigms cracking, etc. With time, all problems were worked out, and will continue to be. ALL major companies have made resin bowling balls for well over 10 years now, as problems come along for ALL companies, they are corrected, otherwise big b, columbia, ebonite, storm, etc wouldn't still be in business.
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I don't know why you would have a problem with it, The Epoxy cover was suppose to be the next generation resin above reactive with 7 yrs of R&D behind it, 7 years and this is what they ended up with? c'mon, every company has had some problems but i would have to say this was probably one of the biggest flops in the industry, I would need to see a little more consistency out of Columbia to change my thinking.
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2006, 07:30:37 AM »
One thing to remember guys, Lane #1 likes to mix covers, maybe they will come up with something completely unique that Columbia based covers dont have (If this is really true)

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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2006, 08:32:45 AM »
Now, that's a bad timing if a coverstock provider's change is at hand. I am not a big Lane#1 fan, but having this change right now at the beginning of next season is really not a smart step, since I guess this is best sales time.
But I also wonder about the reasons for it. Maybe Big B does not have the production ressources anymore in the new plant. I'd also like top know if there are MoRich issues, too (with the funny thing that they come from Columbia coverstocks a couple of years ago)?
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Retroman

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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2006, 08:49:52 AM »
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How much does everyone *KNOW*???

Nothing. So treat it that way.
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All Speculation, But it got a lot of peoples attention..........
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2006, 09:19:15 AM »
Maybe Lane #1 is going to start pouring their own covers?
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Retroman

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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2006, 10:06:37 AM »
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Maybe Lane #1 is going to start pouring their own covers?
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I hope that is the case, I would welcome that, It has been talked about and I think would be a much better scenario then using somebody elses covers other then Brunswick
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2006, 12:36:40 PM »
Personally, if this is true, I think that I would be more inclined to buy Lane#1 (and keep it).  I haven't liked any of limited number of activator based balls I've tried.  The last ball that I have really liked was the Cranberry.  I would love to see that core inside a solid superflex or muscle coverstock.

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Doug Sterner

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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2006, 12:48:30 PM »
Just a thought.....

what if all this speculation and the rumor that was leaked came from some other company (like say, Brunswick) to attempt to get people to stop buying Lane 1 and start buying their equipment instead?

Was there any huge uproar when Mo switched over to Brunswick from Columbia?

Does anyone think Richie is that inept so as not to have learned from Mo's switch?

Also what about Dynothane and now RotoGrip? Rumors have been circulating about them switching from Storm poured balls.

One more thought to ponder...don;t you all think that the other ball companies are out to try to get Lane 1's business? Could Columbia, Storm and Ebonite have poured some test balls and word got out about the ones from Columbia?

Just a thought....
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2006, 02:22:05 PM »
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Just a thought.....

what if all this speculation and the rumor that was leaked came from some other company (like say, Brunswick) to attempt to get people to stop buying Lane 1 and start buying their equipment instead?

Was there any huge uproar when Mo switched over to Brunswick from Columbia?

Does anyone think Richie is that inept so as not to have learned from Mo's switch?

Also what about Dynothane and now RotoGrip? Rumors have been circulating about them switching from Storm poured balls.

One more thought to ponder...don;t you all think that the other ball companies are out to try to get Lane 1's business? Could Columbia, Storm and Ebonite have poured some test balls and word got out about the ones from Columbia?

Just a thought....
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Doug, It could be, But i spoke with a "Source" and there is going to be an anouncement soon, How soon i don't know but the source shot down that they were switching to ebonite but could not confirm or deny staying with brunswick, So you know they are gone, But assured me that we would only be getting a top quality product as we have in the past, So have to read between the lines.


My point is, They are missing out on the new ball sales for the upcoming year, As you know all to well, Bowlers are into the begining season buying frenzy right now because most or all mfg have come out with there fall lineup.
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Re: Lane 1 Leaving Brunswick
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2006, 04:15:47 PM »
Retro...Lane 1 never floods the market with new balls at the start of the season.  Are tehy missing out? I don't know...when companies release the new stuff I find it overwhelming for the customers and many get confused to the point of saying forget it, I'll buy later.

Also I am seeing a lot more people waiting until leagues start so they can see what they are up against and what they need. Our house is notorious for changing things over the summer and bowlers want to wait and see what the shot is going to be like before investing.

I think Lane 1 and Visionary and Legends/Lanemaster do it right.....a new ball every 6 weeks or so is the right thing to do. Mass releases just get too confusing.

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