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golfnutFL

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Lane #1 policy reversed????
« on: September 18, 2004, 10:39:46 AM »
A few weeks ago there was such an uproar here about the pricing of the new Uranium solid. Mr. Buzzsaw himself came on and explained the policy and why the price has to be $189. Well, that didn't last long. Guess they're not selling as well as expected because they are back on e-bay for as low as $144.99 plus $18 shipping. I guess supply and demand, selling vs not selling, wins out over policy!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36105&item=7102711476&rd=1

 

JOE FALCO

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2004, 07:14:11 PM »
Doesn't that prove SOMETHING?
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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2004, 07:27:12 PM »
Yes, Joe it does. The oldest and simplest rule in a free market economy, supply and demand, usually prevails over silly policies. I seriously doubt that the guy selling for $144 is losing any money on the ball.

Hey, as long as Lane #1 makes their profit on the balls why would they care what a reseller did? I didn't understand Mr. Buzzsaws logic but I do understand the logic of someone who wants to sell a product, even if it's for less profit, that's the reseller's prerogative. We'll see what happens, there were several different resellers on e-bay today under the limit set a few weeks ago. I doubt Lane #1 will prevent them from purchasing any more equipment but we shall see.

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2004, 07:41:43 PM »
The seller is clintdaley, right from ballreviews.com  .







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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2004, 09:06:58 PM »
I spoke to my pro shop operator about getting a Uranium Solid, and he didn't have any on hand, so he called Lane #1 to see about getting one with the specs I wanted.  I wanted a 2-3" pin and as low a top weight as possible, preferably under 3 oz.  Mark at Lane #1 couldn't find one with those specs, and in a conference call with him, me, and my pro shop operator, we talked about it.  Lane #1 is waiting for another shipment from Brunswick, and when Brunswick has lots of Infernos to make, Lane #1 stuff waits.  Right now, most of what Lane #1 has in Uranium Solids are very short pins, so they were offering them to my pro shop guy at a good discount since short pins are not very popular.

Maybe these low priced Uranium Solids mentioned in this thread are from this batch.

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2004, 09:13:06 PM »
Shiv, yeah, I think so.  Clint wrote that the balls have 1-2" pins, so I guess they are from the batch you talked about.
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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2004, 09:56:30 PM »
Just for the record, I HAD to purchase a case of balls to get my price. It was not buy a case, get 1 free. PLUS, I was NEVER informed I had to charge a set amount to my customers.

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2004, 10:44:11 PM »
I started a thread awhile back Black Cherry v. Uranium Solid (I own a Black Cherry). I got quite a few responses - reading them it didn't look like there was much difference between the two balls. I decided not to get one - perhaps other Black Cherry owners made the same decision and that is why the ball is not doing so well...

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JOE FALCO

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2004, 11:35:41 PM »
I'm missing something BIG TIME in this discussion! And when I'm confused I have to straighten my thoughts out .. I'm way out in LEFT FIELD .. so someone straighten me out!

A merchant deals with Lane 1. My understanding is that LANE 1 is dictating that the MERCHANT CANNOT sell (an undrilled ball) for less then $185. I assume that the MERCHANT is getting the ball from LANE 1 for about $160. That clears the MERCHANT $25 per ball. Four balls $100. Now if LANE 1 gives 5 balls for the price of 4 .. using the same numbers .. the merchant would pay $640 for 4 balls and get $925 for the sale of 5 balls for a profit of $285 without the money made on DRILLING!

I'm not making any point here .. but I get the impression from some of my readings that the MERCHANT is LOSING MONEY on these transactions .. I DON'T BELIEVE that is so .. it just seems that LANE 1 wants to SET THE MINIMAL PROFIT for the merchants on these balls.

My thought is .. LANE 1 will not allow the LITTLE MERCHANTS handling their equipment to cut their profit to increase their sales. As a result the BIG GUYS will make more money and can't be UNDER SOLD by the little merchant! The BOWLER gets shafted!

How far off am I from my perspective?

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2004, 11:48:30 PM »
Joe Falco wins the idea of the day award from me yea!!! I have been trying to get people to understand this since lane 1 changed the policy with the uranium solid came out. I have offers for 160 shipped and passed because i think other brands are just as good for 20-50 less depending the deal i can arrange with my shop wether a seed ball or regular stock. I can get any seed ball for under 120 out the door drilled except lane 1 which me proshop wisely got rid of 3 years ago. They sold cases and cases but lane 1 changed the why they did business and forced them to give up on lane 1.

I think if people stick to there guns Ritchie will give up trying to control us through price fixing, which needs to stop now!!

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2004, 12:13:30 AM »
Hi my fellow las vegan Jimmy T reread my profile i never say i work for any bowling center, i only said that i think price fixing is a joke. If you feel like paying a set minimum price go for it, i choose to fight against lane 1 and will keep saying my peace until i feel like not saying it anymore on this public forum.

There are just better deals to be had right now because i would have to pay at least 30 bucks a ball more than any of my previous lane 1 purchases. So you are right i moved on to other brands and feel great about it.

I know you will comment negative because you always do Jimmy T so take your cheap shots now bye!!

JOE FALCO

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2004, 12:17:08 AM »
Who's turn is it in THE BARREL? That punch line just came to mind!
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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2004, 12:31:14 AM »
Joe,
I could be off-base here but I don't think that Lane #1 wants to set the minimal profit for the dealer. And this is my opinion only, but why would they care about the minimal profit of the dealer? They've made their money already, right? So, the question becomes, what is the real motivation for this price fixing?

Mr. B stated that he was doing this to protect in house pro-shops, the ones with the overhead, the ones that couldn't compete the guys who could dump the balls at a lower profit (presumably because they have less overhead and can absorb a lower profit) on the internet.

However, go look on e-bay. I'm not going to single anyone out but there are those who own proshops, that get some of the deals (and not just one proprietor either), that are selling the balls at lower (much lower) than what Lane #1 has dictated.

First, this is what those of us who like Lane #1 have said all along. The balls are available for little, if any, more than any other ball if you do the homework. Second, it shows that, policy or not, dealers are going to sell the equipment for a profit. Albeit, maybe a smaller one, but still a profit. Regardless of what Lane #1 says, because they need cash flow to keep their business alive. And so does Lane #1 which is why they are, and will be, relatively powerless to stop it.

The pro-shops that want to continue to overcharge for Lane #1 (and not take advantage of Internet sales) will continue to do so but will sell a relatively small amount of the balls. The resellers (with actual brick and mortar pro-shops or not) that take advantage of internet buyers will sell more of Lane #1 balls, but at a smaller profit. Lane #1 profits are the same. Wouldn't it behoove them to sell more to the resellers that can get their equipment into hands of bowlers willing to pay the less inflated price?

From what I've seen from Connecticut to Florida most proshops don't even bother carrying Lane #1 equipment. That's probably because they can't make as big a profit on it as they can on other equipment, that makes sense to me. However, those that are pushing the stuff appear to be mostly internet sellers. Less profit but more sales, that also makes sense to me.

I think Lane #1's efforts to set minimum prices are, and will be, ineffective. And they should be. The internet has changed the way that business is done. For better or worse, and in the case of Lane #1 bowling equipment, better for the consumer, status quo for Lane #1, and better for the reseller willing to adapt to the 21st century.


JOE FALCO

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2004, 08:39:28 AM »
AGREE! My point was not what the bowler gets from the ball .. all bowlers like something else .. my point was that FIXING THE PRICE HELPS THE BIGGER MERCHANTS AND KNOCKS OUT THE LITTLE MERCHANT.

One other comment .. someone indicates that there will always be some merchants that will sell under the FIXED PRICE set by LANE 1. THAT IS TRUE .. however once LANE 1 finds that this happens .. the MERCHANT IS REMOVED FROM LANE 1's MERCHANT LIST (this from a friend who sells bowling balls). So although the STATEMENT IS TRUE the merchant will be dropped by LANE 1 .. and again the BOWLER'S GETS SHAFTED AND ARE FORCED BACK TO THE HIGHER PRICING!!

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Re: Lane #1 policy reversed????
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2004, 10:44:53 AM »
Joe, your take on the economics of the situation seems a little out of whack.  

Generally speaking, it is the big guys who sell stuff for prices that the little guy cannot match, because he can't buy in volume and get the discounts that come with volume purchases.  The little guy may choose to sell a ball at his cost or even less to move product and keep some cash coming in, but he can't adopt it as a strategy, as he would very soon be out of business.

To compete, the little guy tries to offer personalized service, but he can't compete on prices with those who buy product for less that what he pays.
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