Post by: WSUstroker on May 11, 2006, 04:29:30 AM
http://www.virtualtournaments.com/Lane1.wmv
My favorite line, "Our balls will raise your average 10-15 pins each and every game." I think this was the spot that was on Bravo a few weeks ago.
On Edit- Added the link, oops.
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Post by: janderson on May 11, 2006, 12:53:39 PM
Thanks for posting the link.
All I'll say is that they a few bold claims that would be difficult to support with facts. Much of it is the same as other bowling companies' claims.
Weren't there laws against false advertising in the US at one time?
I use Lane #1 equipment as well as other companies' equipment. This is in no way intended as a "bashing" of Lane #1, just the general state of advertising today.
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Post by: BrunsNick on May 11, 2006, 01:26:03 PM
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Post by: chitown on May 11, 2006, 01:27:14 PM
Post by: axeweldr on May 11, 2006, 01:52:41 PM
John
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Post by: fins4ever88 on May 11, 2006, 04:28:42 PM
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That would not validate a statement saying they will raise anybodys average by 10-15 pins. That would validate a statement such as "of 25 bowlers tested some raised there average by 10-15 pins over a specific test period".
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Precision
I'm currently taking a Statistics class, and I do believe that what triggerman says is true. As long as the sample of bowlers is randomly generated, then the person running the experiment is able to conclude that based on the statistics found, they can make an assumption about the population that the balls do increase your average 10-15 pins.
Who knows, the target for that little statement may be towards conventional bowlers who do not own a performance ball yet. Some people will look at the Lane #1 pricetag and say, "I want this one. It's the most expensive, therefore should be the best."
However, I will agree with the 20% statement is false.
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Post by: MegaMav on May 11, 2006, 04:41:20 PM
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I'm currently taking a Statistics class
and you should also know that the findings must be statistically significant as well, with a LARGE sample size(N) and unbiased participants, independant and dependant variables in order to make a causal relationship with data.
is 10-15 pins significant?
eh probably not... on average its probably 5% difference, most likely falling in the margin of error category.
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Post by: MegaMav on May 11, 2006, 05:28:30 PM
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but given the forgiveness of the core
and where do we find that statistic?
and how is that given?
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This my freinds is easily proven with physics and motion
then prove it!
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with the true diamond core is that no matter the tilt on that axis, the core continues to spin
this applies to ALL symmetric cores.
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my guess it is probably statiscally true
thats all it is... a guess on your part.
either it is true, or its not, there is no "probably".
Edited on 5/11/2006 5:39 PM
Post by: Draxond300 on May 11, 2006, 05:54:43 PM
The center where all of those shots were thrown is the center I bowl in a summer league at.
Small world, eh?
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Post by: janderson on May 11, 2006, 05:56:44 PM
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Robert Smith does not use the Sarge grip anymore. Secondly, it doesn't take rotation off the ball when you throw with this grip. Once you get use to the grip and the feeling with the different pitches, you should be able to get the same amount of revolutions as before. I wish people would realize that.
Ok, I'll rephrase. That's why Robert Smith went to the Sarge Easter grip. Rudy was still bowling when Smith did so. I think most readers understood the nature of the musing.
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Post by: mugrad on May 11, 2006, 06:49:48 PM
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triggerman... it is the way he words it that sways it from hypothesis to marketing.
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I work in advertising and we have a saying that applies here.
"Let's not confuse marketing and reality."
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Post by: RPM MAX on May 11, 2006, 07:03:32 PM
Post by: janderson on May 11, 2006, 09:30:23 PM
muahahaha!
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Post by: eglleftcoast on May 11, 2006, 09:46:54 PM
Post by: hookem on May 12, 2006, 12:00:30 AM
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Can you imagine if Jeff Carter had used Buzzsaws the year he set the average record? He would have averaged in the 271-276 range instead.
muahahaha!
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LOL!! Good call on that one
Post by: chitown on May 12, 2006, 01:58:02 AM
quote:quote:
That would not validate a statement saying they will raise anybodys average by 10-15 pins. That would validate a statement such as "of 25 bowlers tested some raised there average by 10-15 pins over a specific test period".
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Precision
I'm currently taking a Statistics class, and I do believe that what triggerman says is true. As long as the sample of bowlers is randomly generated, then the person running the experiment is able to conclude that based on the statistics found, they can make an assumption about the population that the balls do increase your average 10-15 pins.
Who knows, the target for that little statement may be towards conventional bowlers who do not own a performance ball yet. Some people will look at the Lane #1 pricetag and say, "I want this one. It's the most expensive, therefore should be the best."
However, I will agree with the 20% statement is false.
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http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=6610
Edited on 5/11/2006 4:27 PM
A test sample of 25 bowlers would not be a good indication of the bowling population.. There are way too many varibles involved that would make this test sample garbage.
Post by: DanH78 on May 12, 2006, 06:57:21 PM
Next, the claim was that Lane #1 is guaranteed to increase ANY bowlers average 10-15 pins per game. This statement is at best incomplete and at worse false. The statement leads one to believe that no matter the skill level it will raise your average. First off, we know that is false because there have been bowlers admit that Lane #1 does not match up to their style and has either lowered or caused no affect on their scores. Also, Rudy's average has decreased 9.44 pins since 1999, the year he made 3 TV shows and was throwing Hammer. And unfortunatley, that is the only hard evidence currently available (if there is other evidence point me in that direction). Second, what were the conditions to what this was calculated? Sample size, skill levels, time period tested, etc. A small sample and short test period cannot provide statistical proof given the large population size that is "bowlers". Not enough information is given to say whether this claim is statistically true or not.
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Post by: MegaMav on May 12, 2006, 07:03:19 PM
