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Gazoo

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Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« on: September 11, 2009, 12:51:20 PM »
I make a Widget that I think is the best there is and charge $99.95. Other companies make their Widgets and charge $79.95. The people who buy the $79.95 Widget say their Widget is just as good while the people who by the $99.95 Widget say theirs is better which is why they buy it. Qaulity is a matter of opinion which is why this argument will never end. If I spend money because I think something is better, those who spend less on a similar product will never agree. The beauty of free enterpise is that everyone can buy what they want. If anyone thinks their product is the best, why would those who think not care!
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novawagonmaster

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2009, 09:19:13 PM »
It has nothing at all to do with the Widgets in question.
It has everything to do with the ignorance and arrogance of a certain percentage of Widget users.

I used to ask questions much like the one you just asked. It was that small percentage of Widget users that convinced me to stop asking questions and find another Widget.
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Gazoo

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 12:39:01 AM »
So if I think that my Widget is far superior to all other Widgets, then I am either ignorant or arrogant if I am willing to pay more for it.
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novawagonmaster

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2009, 07:54:13 AM »
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So if I think that my Widget is far superior to all other Widgets, then I am either ignorant or arrogant if I am willing to pay more for it.
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A little defensive, are we? At no point did I say I was referring to you. I said a "certain percentage of Widget users". There are Widget users, and there are Widget fan boys. You can decide for yourself the category in which you best fit.

As for ignorance and arrogance...
If you think your Widget is better, more power to you. If you stand on top of the highest mountain shouting at users of "inferior" widgets, then you become both ignorant and arrogant. Ignorant for not seeing their side of things, and arrogant because you refuse to.
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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2009, 08:34:51 AM »
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So if I think that my Widget is far superior to all other Widgets, then I am either ignorant or arrogant if I am willing to pay more for it.
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A little defensive, are we? At no point did I say I was referring to you. I said a "certain percentage of Widget users". There are Widget users, and there are Widget fan boys. You can decide for yourself the category in which you best fit.

As for ignorance and arrogance...
If you think your Widget is better, more power to you. If you stand on top of the highest mountain shouting at users of "inferior" widgets, then you become both ignorant and arrogant. Ignorant for not seeing their side of things, and arrogant because you refuse to.
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Edited on 9/12/2009 8:00 AM


+1   You also need to look and see if the cost of the more expensive widget is jeapordizing the potential growth of the company and cost them business.
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urbanj51

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2009, 09:34:03 AM »
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So if I think that my Widget is far superior to all other Widgets, then I am either ignorant or arrogant if I am willing to pay more for it.
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A little defensive, are we? At no point did I say I was referring to you. I said a "certain percentage of Widget users". There are Widget users, and there are Widget fan boys. You can decide for yourself the category in which you best fit.

As for ignorance and arrogance...
If you think your Widget is better, more power to you. If you stand on top of the highest mountain shouting at users of "inferior" widgets, then you become both ignorant and arrogant. Ignorant for not seeing their side of things, and arrogant because you refuse to.
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Edited on 9/12/2009 8:00 AM


+1   You also need to look and see if the cost of the more expensive widget is jeapordizing the potential growth of the company and cost them business.
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In my opinion the cost factor is caused by the Pro Shops. I frequent three Pro Shops that sell Lane #1. Two of them sells Lane #1 for $189.00 to $199.00, the same prices as the other high end balls. One shop sells his for $209.00 to $219.00. People will scream all day long about the $209.00 to $219.00 prices, and I will also. But is that Lane #1's fault? No, it's the Pro Shop's fault.

The shop's that sell Lane #1 for $189.00 to $199.00 only charge $40 for drilling, the shops that sell them for $209.00 to $219.00 charges $60.00 for drilling. He will complain every day about not being able to move Lane #1. He will also complain that others sell them cheaper and it hurts him. He will also complain that he can't get them any cheaper, so he has to sell them for that much.

When I tell him they all are getting them at the same price, he is the only one charging $60.00 to drill the balls, and if he dropped his drilling price $20.00 he would be selling them just like everyone else, he get's all pissy.

So realistically, if you look at it honestly, you will see that the Pro Shops, are to blame, not Lane $1.


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mmcfarland300

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2009, 09:52:11 AM »
Why in the hell should he drop his drilling price.  As long as he charges the same across the board he should not knock his profit to suffice a single brand.....get real.
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urbanj51

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2009, 10:07:16 AM »
I believe that's an "in general" statement.  Not to profit one brand.  Hell I used to go to a shop that charged $60 for drilling.  Eff that.  Now I get $25 with grips included.  Shops who charge $60 will soon be out of business because their prices are way too high.
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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2009, 10:21:40 AM »
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I believe that's an "in general" statement.  Not to profit one brand.  Hell I used to go to a shop that charged $60 for drilling.  Eff that.  Now I get $25 with grips included.  Shops who charge $60 will soon be out of business because their prices are way too high.
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With that mentality, it will not be long before you have to go to WalMart to get your ball drilled. Let me know how it fits when you do.
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mmcfarland300

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2009, 10:22:52 AM »
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I believe that's an "in general" statement.  Not to profit one brand.  Hell I used to go to a shop that charged $60 for drilling.  Eff that.  Now I get $25 with grips included.  Shops who charge $60 will soon be out of business because their prices are way too high.
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$60 for quality drilling and service is right in line with everyone else in my area, you sir seem to be clueless.  They are far from way too high and for you to expect someone to cut there profit will put them out of business much faster.
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urbanj51

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2009, 10:52:05 AM »
If it's on par with everyone in the area, then sure.  That makes sense.  But when one driller charges 60 and the next charges only 40.  Who do you think they're gonna go to?  He's eventually gonna lose out.  My guess is his bowling ball prices in general are higher than the next as well.  Where would you go?


My pro shop is probably one of the best in the nation.  Owned and operated for decades by an old PBA pro.  Not many pro shops are owned and operated, or even one of the two, by PBA pros.  And not just pros, those who have won titles.

Get real.  I get charged only $25 for drilling and grips because he understands that you don't need to rape someone just to make profit.
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novawagonmaster

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2009, 11:50:43 AM »
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I also have to agree with some of the haters. The biggest problem with the Lane #1 followers, is that there are Lane #1 fans, and Lane #1 fanatics. The fanatics continuously go overboard and alienate everyone else. That also will never change. The normal Lane #1 fans are really some decent people if you give them half a chance.


^^^This is a very good assessment of the situation. ^^^
I have no problem with the fans. I used to be one. The fans are the ones who use the Widgets because they like to and because the Widgets do the job for them. The Widget fans also provide useful information to potential future Widget users.

It's the fan boys who will defend the Widgets to their death, right or wrong, who give the Widgets a bad name and drive away other Widget users. It's the fan boys who insist that every new Widget release is the best Widget ever. It's the fan boys who jump down even the most loyal of fans' throat should they suggest there may be a problem with one of the Widgets.

I got tired of defending my position as a fan and not a fan boy. It was much easier to find another Widget that does the job. It's nice using Widgets without being associated with Widget fan boys. Life is good on the other side.

One last clarification. I am not a Widget hater. I am no longer a fan, but definitely not a hater. I would never discourage someone from using a certain Widget.
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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2009, 11:52:14 AM »
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If it's on par with everyone in the area, then sure.  That makes sense.  But when one driller charges 60 and the next charges only 40.  Who do you think they're gonna go to?  He's eventually gonna lose out.  My guess is his bowling ball prices in general are higher than the next as well.  Where would you go?


My pro shop is probably one of the best in the nation.  Owned and operated for decades by an old PBA pro.  Not many pro shops are owned and operated, or even one of the two, by PBA pros.  And not just pros, those who have won titles.

Get real.  I get charged only $25 for drilling and grips because he understands that you don't need to rape someone just to make profit.
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Freaking clueless, im glad you have someone that you can figjam and undercuts the other drillers around, i dont think that has anything to do with the topic of the post.  The whole point was that Lane 1 still is overpriced compared to other brands and they are not superior.
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urbanj51

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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2009, 11:58:44 AM »
This is dealing with overpriced drilling.  Same theme.  


And I disagree that Lane 1 costs more.  Most shops just don't order as much of those as they might others.  So naturally, they don't get the same prices.  They don't cost anymore than the next ball.  Get real.

Oh and by the way, drilling for the others in town are 30-40 except for the one guy who charges 60.  So again, get real.
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Re: Lane1 argument in a nutshell
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2009, 03:39:19 PM »
The notion that 'fanboys' influence what brand is used (or isn't) is sad. Real bowlers use equipment that give them a competitive advantage. Groupies who get their panties bunched up in spirited conversations use what they feel is politically acceptable. I guess to each his own.

The reality is that many Lane#1 balls provide for a unique look that can't be easily be duplicated in other equipment. Stating that is not arrogance, but simple truth. If you believe the Lane#1 unique look provides a competitive advantage, an extra $20-$30 is cheap. It's not uncommon for competitive league bowlers to put down that much in side pots/brackets each week. Continuing to call out the price difference is a smoke screen.

The irony is that with a little planning, you can get Lane#1 equipment for as cheap as anything else. During the summer, many distributors offer steep discounts to clear close out equipment from all manufacturers. If you have a good relationship with your proshop, you can tap into them. I recently picked up a BuzzBomb/R for $160.00 drilled out the door. And my proshop guy didn't compromise a penny on his services.

It's easy to whine, complain and perpetuate myths. It takes more work to dig out some of the nuggets Lane#1 has to offer, but the rewards can be worth it.
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