Author Topic: Liberator- a limited release? (Read 8209 times)

golfnutFL · « **on:** January 25, 2008, 09:13:41 AM »

Well, is it? I read somewhere on here; "hurry and get one before they're all gone."
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Edited on 1/25/2008 6:43 PM

Steven · « **Reply #46 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:53:09 AM »

Jon: Believe it or not, my question to daddy about his experience with Lane#1 was sincere. If he had come back and said he had tried several Lane#1 balls, and based on outlining his sincere experience his opinion is that they are 'overpriced hype', I would have left well enough alone.

There are a few who fall into this category on the forum, and we respectfully 'agree to disagree'. It's those who bash without having first hand knowledge that start the cat fights. Unconditional love for those who want to do nothing more than bring down the brand will not turn them around -- it just validates the ignorance.
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #47 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:06:54 AM »

If it's the ignorance that troubles you, just let it go.
Ignorance is bliss. Some people are happy being ignorant. You cannot "fix" everybody. If you know he is trolling, you are not going to get him on your side.

I am just saying that you should consider spending your time more effectively. There are plenty of bowlers out there on the fence over Lane #1. If you truly support the company, I would focus on communicating with those people.
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Jon (in Ohio)

Steven · « **Reply #48 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:32:12 AM »

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Trying to have a meaningful discussion. According to Steven, since I have never thrown a Lane #1 ball, I am to be dismissed as a non-entity. Man, you are quite narrow minded. You are either very old or very young. I have never needed to throw Lane #1.

daddy, how can we have a 'meaningful discussion' about Lane#1 products if you've never thrown Lane#1, and have already and have apparently decided you don't 'need' to throw them?

Personally, I can't imagine going on a forum for a ball line I've never thrown, and make inflammatory remarks. Really, who is being narrow minded? As far as age, I'm closer to being very old than being very young, but that really doesn't have a lot to do with anything.

If you consider yourself more 'open minded' than 'narrow minded' consider that there is some possible merit to a Urethane with a strong core. Storm had good success with the Thunder Flash line a few years back. I remember Robert Smith making a show with one. Personally, I had a little success at the USBC Nationals with it. And there were a lot of higher rev players in my house who loved the Thunder Flash because of the over/under they were constantly experiencing with their stronger resin equipment.

The Liberator falls into the category of the Thunder Flash. My proshop guy punched his up before league last night (of course, before mine), and immediately shot 238-244-258 with it. He's by no means a Lane#1 guy -- he was actually on staff with Columbia for several years. Anyway, he has a fair amount of hand, and with the Liberator he was able to play much tighter than usual, and his carry remained remained very much 'resin' like. At the end of the night he quipped that he's going to order a case of them. I don't know if he's going to carry through on that, but he was very impressed, and given the range of equipment he throws, he doesn't impress that easy.

Just something to think about if your game can benefit from this kind of reaction.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #49 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:37:53 AM »

Hey...I never bowled when there was urethane balls and the XXL was my first. so to interrupt this important announcement above....

Is that what I should be seeing...smooth but strong reaction to any dry(ie in this case too early....) and then a waffling or backing off effect when carrydown is encountered.

Is the ideal condition....oil in heads and mids and then strong backends???

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Steven · « **Reply #50 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:51:17 AM »

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Is the ideal condition....oil in heads and mids and then strong backends???

I can only give you input based on what I observed last night. Our leagues shot is second shift THS. Before first shift when they strip and re-oil the lanes start out as cake -- dryer outside of 10, puddle in the middle, clean backends. By the time we get them 16 games later, there is a pronounced wet/dry with some carrydown.

My proshop guy was staying tighter right inside the oil line, and surprisingly the Liberator handled the oil fairly well. Light hits mixed, and medium shots resulted in the 5 blowing into the 7. The only time he got into trouble was when he missed to the right. The ball didn't overreact off the dry, but that's when he tended to leave his 10 pins.

Again, he has some hand. He's not a cranker but he was able to a line he could not have considered with resin.

One thing that was interesting was the amount of flare the ball generated -- much more than we though it would. He's going to drill up another for himself and put the pin further from his PAP to calm the reaction even further.
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #51 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:59:05 AM »

Lefty,
I have an XXL also. I threw it polished, and I was surprised at how much it snapped on clean backends, and reacted to dry outside boards. I dulled it down, and it rolled earlier, and did not spaz-out when it hit the dry. I expect the same from the Liberator. I polished my XXL back up since I now have a Liberator.

Ideal conditions?
Wet/Dry.
I would think any oil in the heads and dry on the outside and/or backend. This will be my go-to ball when resin is too flippy off the dry.
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Jon (in Ohio)

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #52 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:59:24 AM »

Do you remember the XXL on this shot?

I can't imagine much difference single density diamond with Urethane.

I got nothing but a long loopy hook on our shot from the XXL!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #53 on:** January 31, 2008, 12:03:57 PM »

quote:
I sell Cadillacs for a living. I understand people paying a premium price for a product when a Chevy will do the same thing at a lower price. It's a free country and they can do what they want. I certainly wouldn't flame them for doing so.

I wish more people could understand this and leave it go at that.
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Jon (in Ohio)

Steven · « **Reply #54 on:** January 31, 2008, 12:05:04 PM »

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I don't need to throw a ball that costs that much. Wasn't that the point of my post? It really doesn't matter what I have thrown in the past. There is a price point that I am not willing to go over when it comes to a ball. Why will you not acknowledge that?

I'm still not sure what the intent of your post. You talked about Lane#1 'old technology' as much as you did price.

If you have a price point you won't go over for a ball, that's fine. Everyone has to decide for themselves what they want to spend their money on. Although it's easy to verify that if you shop Lane#1 carefully, you can get them for about the same as their equivalents from other ball manufacturers.

The mistake you made was making assessments about Lane#1 reaction. By your own admission, you have no experience and little if any desire to separate myth from fact. And that's fine. If you don't want to know, that's your choice.

So take you own advice and lighten up. I tried to approach this by being pragmatic and discussing Urethanes with strong cores, but you just went back to your original theme -- I get it.

Anyway, enjoy your lower priced equipment.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #55 on:** January 31, 2008, 01:03:27 PM »

I our center is just too dry for this ball(the XXL).

It reacts hard early and is all pooped out by the end.

I've had better luck in this particular dry midlane spot with sloppy backends by using old Rubber or the XXXL(plastic) or weak drilled low rg solid reactives drilled various versions of late....or weak.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PSS...I have not really given the XXXL that good of a trial!

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Roy Munson · « **Reply #56 on:** January 31, 2008, 01:08:39 PM »

. . . I have an XXL and it's good for medium oil - at least for me
. . . and the way I use it - it's a hook monster
. . . I'm really interested in Liberator
. . . Hopefully I can use this below my XXL
. . . Please post your reviews
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. . . P E A C E
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #57 on:** January 31, 2008, 01:16:08 PM »

Lefty,
Sounds like you are facing some rough conditions. Given what you have posted, I would give the plastic a whirl (XXXL). Only problem is, it's not going to be impressive on sloppy backends. However, if urethane and resin are hooking off your hand, you only have a couple options.
One: Plastic.
Two: Take something a little more agressive and pipe it up the outside with an up-the-back release.
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Jon (in Ohio)

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #58 on:** January 31, 2008, 01:40:12 PM »

It's tough...but they just had their first 300 by a lefty in the last few years....not bad....about 3 this 1/2 decade! Why waste oil...on so few!

REGards,

Luckylefty
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Sawuser · « **Reply #59 on:** January 31, 2008, 02:19:45 PM »

quote:
I our center is just too dry for this ball(the XXL).

It reacts hard early and is all pooped out by the end.

I've had better luck in this particular dry midlane spot with sloppy backends by using old Rubber or the XXXL(plastic) or weak drilled low rg solid reactives drilled various versions of late....or weak.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PSS...I have not really given the XXXL that good of a trial!

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How did you have yours layed out? Was it polished?
I had mine drilled 1:30 label & on my THS(3 houses) it went long & snapped almost as hard as a pearl resin.
Unless you had it drilled low pin, dull surface, & really dry lanes, I just can't see the xxl burning up.
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Steven · « **Reply #60 on:** January 31, 2008, 02:20:43 PM »

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Ahhh, there is the problem. You didnt understand that I was not posting about Lane #1's low technology. I was posting about the low technology of urethane. Again, if any manufacturer came out with a high priced urethane ball my post would have read the same way, only on a different forum. Read what is written and not read into what was written.

daddy: There is nothing about Urethane automatically being 'low technology'. Like any combination of cover/core (from any company), the results depend on how things are matched. I believe your assumption that any high tech core covered with Urethane will react about the same is false. A Storm Thunder Flash, Storm Thunder Flash Pro, Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle, Lane#1 XXL and Lane#1 Liberator (all urethanes with 2-piece cores) will not react the same. The cover/cores of each provide for different types of reaction.

You're thinking in terms of the pancake core urethanes you have collecting dust in storage.

There is nothing 'low technology' about the 238-244-258 I saw thrown with a Liberator last night. And it was a typical league shot. The ball was thrown side-by-side with Inferno's and NVS's, so it wasn't the broken down shot you think urethanes should be limited to.

Price is relative to performance. Like most things in life, you get what you pay for.
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