Post by: golfnutFL on January 25, 2008, 09:13:41 AM
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Post by: zeusjr on January 25, 2008, 06:18:38 PM
Post by: REVerse on January 25, 2008, 06:46:32 PM
quote:Why do you say that?
THATS GONNA BE 750 TOO MANY!
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Post by: charlest on January 25, 2008, 06:56:04 PM
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 25, 2008, 07:44:39 PM
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There are tons of NOS urethane for sale on EBay. (NOS - new, old stock.)
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charlest,
I agree, but are there tons of urethane balls that will hit like a Lane #1?
There are lots of plastic balls out there, but none that carry like the XXXL.
I believe a similar outcome can be expected with the urethane cover.
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Post by: roguetwo on January 25, 2008, 07:54:49 PM
Post by: REVerse on January 25, 2008, 08:03:18 PM
quote:No offense bro, but looking at your profile, you seem to have plenty of expensive balls in your posession. You are criticizing the inflated price of a urethane ball?
Especially because of the price, u see how expensive those are?
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quote:$240.00? More like $150.00
I just cant see paying $240 for a urethane ball...i dont care who make it lol
Do you live outside the USA?
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Post by: charlest on January 25, 2008, 08:05:17 PM
quote:quote:
There are tons of NOS urethane for sale on EBay. (NOS - new, old stock.)
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charlest,
I agree, but are there tons of urethane balls that will hit like a Lane #1?
Sorry. Don't see that.
I have visionary SLate Blue Gargoyle with a REAL core, also.
quote:
There are lots of plastic balls out there, but none that carry like the XXXL.
I believe a similar outcome can be expected with the urethane cover.
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I don't. sorry.
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Post by: zeusjr on January 25, 2008, 08:35:36 PM
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I just cant see paying $240 for a urethane ball...i dont care who make it lol
Wow, you need buy your stuff from someone else cause I've never paid even close to that drilled with grips and slug for a new release Lane#1 ball of any type .. 
Edited on 1/25/2008 9:37 PM
Post by: Steven on January 25, 2008, 09:19:02 PM
I've got one on order. So does my proshop guy (for himself), and he's not really a Lane#1 guy. We should know better when they arrive in a week or so.
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Post by: pro shop guy on January 25, 2008, 09:35:22 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM
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Post by: golfnutFL on January 25, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
quote:quote:quote:
There are tons of NOS urethane for sale on EBay. (NOS - new, old stock.)
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charlest,
I agree, but are there tons of urethane balls that will hit like a Lane #1?
Sorry. Don't see that.
I have visionary SLate Blue Gargoyle with a REAL core, also.quote:
There are lots of plastic balls out there, but none that carry like the XXXL.
I believe a similar outcome can be expected with the urethane cover.
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I don't. sorry.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 26, 2008, 06:16:43 AM
quote:
The SBG can be snappy off real dry. I have one and I think that the pearlized shell gives it those characteristics. I'm hoping the Liberator is a little tamer than the SBG.
Probably the cover.
My XXL (pearl urethane) also snaps pretty hard on clean backends.
Just for the sake of comparison, I dulled my XXL and it rolled much earlier and was much more tame on the backend. I polished it back up since I have a Liberator coming.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 26, 2008, 06:24:35 AM
quote:quote:quote:
There are tons of NOS urethane for sale on EBay. (NOS - new, old stock.)
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charlest,
I agree, but are there tons of urethane balls that will hit like a Lane #1?
Sorry. Don't see that.
I have visionary SLate Blue Gargoyle with a REAL core, also.quote:
There are lots of plastic balls out there, but none that carry like the XXXL.
I believe a similar outcome can be expected with the urethane cover.
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I don't. sorry.
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No need to be sorry. It's just my opinion.
I will find out (next week) how the Liberator rolls and I will post my findings.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 26, 2008, 06:26:09 AM
quote:
I just cant see paying $240 for a urethane ball...i dont care who make it lol
You can almost get two of them for that price.
You've been given some bad information.
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Post by: T-GOD on January 26, 2008, 06:38:36 AM
Post by: charlest on January 26, 2008, 10:13:59 AM
quote:
The SBG can be snappy off real dry. I have one and I think that the pearlized shell gives it those characteristics. I'm hoping the Liberator is a little tamer than the SBG.
I'd rather scuff the SBG slightly rather than buy another new ball. If you want to "play" with a new ball, fine. If you want to score, personally, I'm inclined to manipulate the ball I have until I prove it cannot work. Each to his own.
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Post by: golfnutFL on January 26, 2008, 12:31:02 PM
I don't really like to "dull" polished pearls. I don't know why. I'll manipulate solids until they work the way I like, but for some reason I don't with polished pearls. It's just me, I'm weird that way.I like the idea of having the 2 different urethanes. They'll come in handy during the summer leagues when the house decides not to waste any money on oil during their slower season.
quote:
I'd rather scuff the SBG slightly rather than buy another new ball. If you want to "play" with a new ball, fine. If you want to score, personally, I'm inclined to manipulate the ball I have until I prove it cannot work. Each to his own.
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Post by: golfnutFL on January 26, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
quote:
Probably the cover.
My XXL (pearl urethane) also snaps pretty hard on clean backends.
Just for the sake of comparison, I dulled my XXL and it rolled much earlier and was much more tame on the backend. I polished it back up since I have a Liberator coming.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on January 26, 2008, 01:03:39 PM
Blue Hammer, polished Black Phantom, Ultimate Weapon and a Grey Angle
I get weird looks when I go anywhere and pull out the grey ball. I also got a WTF??? froma guy last year at the Wild Irish Rose tourney when I shot 256 with the polished Black Phantom...heheheh was kinda funny :-)
Yes Vern, there is STILL room for urethane in today's game.
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Post by: Juggernaut on January 26, 2008, 01:18:54 PM
My pink hammer and my blue beast. Just last year, I shot a 298 with the beast ( my fault, not the balls) and several 700's with the beast and one 700 with the pinkie.
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Post by: baltimora on January 26, 2008, 11:03:03 PM
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 29, 2008, 12:54:18 PM
quote:
I have a ton of used urethanes in my basement that I could use.
I don't.
I started bowling in the early reactive days.
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Post by: Steven on January 29, 2008, 01:12:08 PM
quote:
Why would I ever buy into the hype and marketing to pay big bucks for old technology?!
daddy: Do you own any other Lane#1 balls?
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 29, 2008, 01:32:21 PM
quote:quote:
Why would I ever buy into the hype and marketing to pay big bucks for old technology?!
daddy: Do you own any other Lane#1 balls?
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Post by: REVerse on January 29, 2008, 03:47:15 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on January 29, 2008, 08:17:52 PM
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Post by: dizzyfugu on January 30, 2008, 09:19:18 AM
Besides, as long as there are plenty urethane balls like the Faball Hammers out there in good shape, I also would not hand over lots of money for such a ball - regardless of the manufacturer. A used one will do, unless it is an ego thing for the buyer/user.
An entry level price tag would be O.K., say $70-90, but not $150. Sorry, then I rather stick with my 2nd hand Blue Hammer.
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Post by: Steven on January 30, 2008, 01:15:26 PM
quote:
Why do you ask? Is there some magical ingredient in the Liberator's urethane cover that will make it better than my old U-dot, Crush, or Edge?
I asked because I figured that the 'ton of used urethanes in my basement' have weak 3-piece cores, so they hit like wet noodles unless you're on the exact right condition.
A urethane with a real diamond core like the Liberator will put the old urethanes in your basement to shame. If you had thrown any Lane#1 equipment, you would have got this.
Thanks for the clarifications.
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Post by: triggerman on January 30, 2008, 02:29:28 PM
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Oh Steven, Steven, Steven.....I don't rely on a core to make the ball move and the pins dance. I use my skills and shell prep (90% of ball reaction)to get the job done. However, if you feel that you need a certain core shape to be successful, by all means go for it.
90% are you joking, suprised you even spend money on anyting more then 3 peice pancake blocks then, there are pleny of those with reactive shells on them
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Post by: Playmaker on January 30, 2008, 03:35:07 PM
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Post by: Grayson on January 30, 2008, 03:59:40 PM
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So why are you on the Lane #1 Board?
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Crystal Diamond
That quite says it all! I just have to agree.
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Post by: Rileybowler on January 30, 2008, 04:15:16 PM
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Post by: SKC on January 30, 2008, 05:19:36 PM
quote:quote:
I just cant see paying $240 for a urethane ball...i dont care who make it lol
You can almost get two of them for that price.
You've been given some bad information.
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Here in Denmark 240 dollars will get you a Tropical Storm or Power Groove.. Let's say a High Performance ball, like a BuzzBomb or Total NV, you'd have to dig out around 380-400 dollars..
And competitive bowlers like myself will have no problems paying that much for a urethane ball if we can use it in our arsenal..
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Post by: triggerman on January 30, 2008, 08:39:49 PM
quote:
Back off monkeyboy! I am not going to get into a long drawn-out posting battle with you Lane#1 lovers. You like em, roll em! I am not paying that kind of dough for a urethane ball and judging by other posters on this thread, I am not the only one that feels that way. Good day, sirs!
Dude you are the one that said shell was 90% I am not gonna get into the price debate that is for each individual to decide, I was just pointing out an asinine statement, let me punch a ball and lets see how that 90% plays out
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Edited on 1/31/2008 7:17 AM
Post by: triggerman on January 31, 2008, 08:11:11 AM
on edit you may want to go read the Big B forums again, the only time I stir the pot in there (which is quite rarely, is to clarify someones idiotic stance. over the years (9 to be exact) I have been a healthy contributor to each and every one of these forums
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 31, 2008, 08:44:03 AM
quote:quote:quote:
Why would I ever buy into the hype and marketing to pay big bucks for old technology?!
daddy: Do you own any other Lane#1 balls?
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Post by: T-GOD on January 31, 2008, 08:52:43 AM
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 31, 2008, 09:21:13 AM
quote:
Nova, these guys come into our "rock'n" forum and they can't get a grip on our horse and they fall off. They just don't know how to ride a bucking bull.!! lol =:^D
Yeah, I get it.
But don't you think it might be better to treat some of these people a little better in the hopes that they will see us as "the good guys"?
I would like nothing better than to see some of these guys ask questions, get answers, then try a Lane #1 ball. Instead, we seem to have a knack for pizzing people off. By doing that, we are just giving them another reason to become a "basher".
I post in here fairly regularly.
If the constant flaming continiues, I will be on my way out. I do not want to be associated with some of these guys...you know the saying "guilty by association"...right? I like the gear, I like the customer service, but I cannot stand the "fan-boys".
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Post by: triggerman on January 31, 2008, 09:30:22 AM
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Post by: Steven on January 31, 2008, 10:19:32 AM
quote:
Why would I ever buy into the hype and marketing to pay big bucks for old technology?!
After a little questioning, he reveals he has no Lane#1 experience, and he doesn't seem to appreciate or understand the performance differences between pancake weight blocks and real 2-piece cores.
Novawagonmaster, the daddy is trolling. Calling him on the carpet should not be considered 'flaming' -- it's an attempt to keep him honest.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 31, 2008, 10:20:26 AM
Any urethanes I have tried on today's conditions.
I have better luck with old rubber balls I have taken off the shelf.
One they let me take home and drill and it works great on our local shot on weekends.
On this shot when I tried lane 1's XXL it was bending smooth and hooking a LOT...all the way down the lane....and didn't have much hit left.
Condition.....wet heads...dry midlane....sloppy backends!
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 31, 2008, 10:35:20 AM
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Novawagonmaster, the daddy is trolling. Calling him on the carpet should not be considered 'flaming' -- it's an attempt to keep him honest.
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Steven,
Trolling or not, I knew exactly what was going to follow your post when you asked him if he had ever tried a Lane #1 ball before.
For the sake of the sane people who like to use Lane #1, I suggest you take your own advice. Read your signature. You have to learn when to leave things alone.
I don't know the guy you are arguing with. I don't agree with everything he has said. But I am definitely taking his side because he has made his point and was willing to walk away. You guys just like to keep poking with your stick until you get people wound up, and then you beat your point into the ground. If I worked for Lane #1, I would be sending you guys e-mails on a daily basis telling you to "Cool it!", because you are not doing a bit of good for the company you claim to adore.
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Post by: Steven on January 31, 2008, 10:53:09 AM
There are a few who fall into this category on the forum, and we respectfully 'agree to disagree'. It's those who bash without having first hand knowledge that start the cat fights. Unconditional love for those who want to do nothing more than bring down the brand will not turn them around -- it just validates the ignorance.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 31, 2008, 11:06:54 AM
Ignorance is bliss. Some people are happy being ignorant. You cannot "fix" everybody. If you know he is trolling, you are not going to get him on your side.
I am just saying that you should consider spending your time more effectively. There are plenty of bowlers out there on the fence over Lane #1. If you truly support the company, I would focus on communicating with those people.
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Post by: Steven on January 31, 2008, 11:32:12 AM
quote:
Trying to have a meaningful discussion. According to Steven, since I have never thrown a Lane #1 ball, I am to be dismissed as a non-entity. Man, you are quite narrow minded. You are either very old or very young. I have never needed to throw Lane #1.
daddy, how can we have a 'meaningful discussion' about Lane#1 products if you've never thrown Lane#1, and have already and have apparently decided you don't 'need' to throw them?
Personally, I can't imagine going on a forum for a ball line I've never thrown, and make inflammatory remarks. Really, who is being narrow minded? As far as age, I'm closer to being very old than being very young, but that really doesn't have a lot to do with anything.
If you consider yourself more 'open minded' than 'narrow minded' consider that there is some possible merit to a Urethane with a strong core. Storm had good success with the Thunder Flash line a few years back. I remember Robert Smith making a show with one. Personally, I had a little success at the USBC Nationals with it. And there were a lot of higher rev players in my house who loved the Thunder Flash because of the over/under they were constantly experiencing with their stronger resin equipment.
The Liberator falls into the category of the Thunder Flash. My proshop guy punched his up before league last night (of course, before mine), and immediately shot 238-244-258 with it. He's by no means a Lane#1 guy -- he was actually on staff with Columbia for several years. Anyway, he has a fair amount of hand, and with the Liberator he was able to play much tighter than usual, and his carry remained remained very much 'resin' like. At the end of the night he quipped that he's going to order a case of them. I don't know if he's going to carry through on that, but he was very impressed, and given the range of equipment he throws, he doesn't impress that easy.
Just something to think about if your game can benefit from this kind of reaction.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 31, 2008, 11:37:53 AM
Is that what I should be seeing...smooth but strong reaction to any dry(ie in this case too early....) and then a waffling or backing off effect when carrydown is encountered.
Is the ideal condition....oil in heads and mids and then strong backends???
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Post by: Steven on January 31, 2008, 11:51:17 AM
quote:
Is the ideal condition....oil in heads and mids and then strong backends???
I can only give you input based on what I observed last night. Our leagues shot is second shift THS. Before first shift when they strip and re-oil the lanes start out as cake -- dryer outside of 10, puddle in the middle, clean backends. By the time we get them 16 games later, there is a pronounced wet/dry with some carrydown.
My proshop guy was staying tighter right inside the oil line, and surprisingly the Liberator handled the oil fairly well. Light hits mixed, and medium shots resulted in the 5 blowing into the 7. The only time he got into trouble was when he missed to the right. The ball didn't overreact off the dry, but that's when he tended to leave his 10 pins.
Again, he has some hand. He's not a cranker but he was able to a line he could not have considered with resin.
One thing that was interesting was the amount of flare the ball generated -- much more than we though it would. He's going to drill up another for himself and put the pin further from his PAP to calm the reaction even further.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 31, 2008, 11:59:05 AM
I have an XXL also. I threw it polished, and I was surprised at how much it snapped on clean backends, and reacted to dry outside boards. I dulled it down, and it rolled earlier, and did not spaz-out when it hit the dry. I expect the same from the Liberator. I polished my XXL back up since I now have a Liberator.
Ideal conditions?
Wet/Dry.
I would think any oil in the heads and dry on the outside and/or backend. This will be my go-to ball when resin is too flippy off the dry.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 31, 2008, 11:59:24 AM
I can't imagine much difference single density diamond with Urethane.
I got nothing but a long loopy hook on our shot from the XXL!
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 31, 2008, 12:03:57 PM
quote:
I sell Cadillacs for a living. I understand people paying a premium price for a product when a Chevy will do the same thing at a lower price. It's a free country and they can do what they want. I certainly wouldn't flame them for doing so.
I wish more people could understand this and leave it go at that.
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Post by: Steven on January 31, 2008, 12:05:04 PM
quote:
I don't need to throw a ball that costs that much. Wasn't that the point of my post? It really doesn't matter what I have thrown in the past. There is a price point that I am not willing to go over when it comes to a ball. Why will you not acknowledge that?
I'm still not sure what the intent of your post. You talked about Lane#1 'old technology' as much as you did price.
If you have a price point you won't go over for a ball, that's fine. Everyone has to decide for themselves what they want to spend their money on. Although it's easy to verify that if you shop Lane#1 carefully, you can get them for about the same as their equivalents from other ball manufacturers.
The mistake you made was making assessments about Lane#1 reaction. By your own admission, you have no experience and little if any desire to separate myth from fact. And that's fine. If you don't want to know, that's your choice.
So take you own advice and lighten up. I tried to approach this by being pragmatic and discussing Urethanes with strong cores, but you just went back to your original theme -- I get it.
Anyway, enjoy your lower priced equipment.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 31, 2008, 01:03:27 PM
It reacts hard early and is all pooped out by the end.
I've had better luck in this particular dry midlane spot with sloppy backends by using old Rubber or the XXXL(plastic) or weak drilled low rg solid reactives drilled various versions of late....or weak.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PSS...I have not really given the XXXL that good of a trial!
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Post by: Roy Munson on January 31, 2008, 01:08:39 PM
. . . I have an XXL and it's good for medium oil - at least for me
. . . and the way I use it - it's a hook monster
. . . I'm really interested in Liberator
. . . Hopefully I can use this below my XXL
. . . Please post your reviews
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. . . P E A C E
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 31, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
Sounds like you are facing some rough conditions. Given what you have posted, I would give the plastic a whirl (XXXL). Only problem is, it's not going to be impressive on sloppy backends. However, if urethane and resin are hooking off your hand, you only have a couple options.
One: Plastic.
Two: Take something a little more agressive and pipe it up the outside with an up-the-back release.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 31, 2008, 01:40:12 PM
REGards,
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Post by: Sawuser on January 31, 2008, 02:19:45 PM
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I our center is just too dry for this ball(the XXL).
It reacts hard early and is all pooped out by the end.
I've had better luck in this particular dry midlane spot with sloppy backends by using old Rubber or the XXXL(plastic) or weak drilled low rg solid reactives drilled various versions of late....or weak.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PSS...I have not really given the XXXL that good of a trial!
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How did you have yours layed out? Was it polished?
I had mine drilled 1:30 label & on my THS(3 houses) it went long & snapped almost as hard as a pearl resin.
Unless you had it drilled low pin, dull surface, & really dry lanes, I just can't see the xxl burning up.
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Righty
Think about it!
Post by: Steven on January 31, 2008, 02:20:43 PM
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Ahhh, there is the problem. You didnt understand that I was not posting about Lane #1's low technology. I was posting about the low technology of urethane. Again, if any manufacturer came out with a high priced urethane ball my post would have read the same way, only on a different forum. Read what is written and not read into what was written.
daddy: There is nothing about Urethane automatically being 'low technology'. Like any combination of cover/core (from any company), the results depend on how things are matched. I believe your assumption that any high tech core covered with Urethane will react about the same is false. A Storm Thunder Flash, Storm Thunder Flash Pro, Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle, Lane#1 XXL and Lane#1 Liberator (all urethanes with 2-piece cores) will not react the same. The cover/cores of each provide for different types of reaction.
You're thinking in terms of the pancake core urethanes you have collecting dust in storage.
There is nothing 'low technology' about the 238-244-258 I saw thrown with a Liberator last night. And it was a typical league shot. The ball was thrown side-by-side with Inferno's and NVS's, so it wasn't the broken down shot you think urethanes should be limited to.
Price is relative to performance. Like most things in life, you get what you pay for.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 31, 2008, 02:34:50 PM
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I our center is just too dry for this ball(the XXL).
It reacts hard early and is all pooped out by the end.
I've had better luck in this particular dry midlane spot with sloppy backends by using old Rubber or the XXXL(plastic) or weak drilled low rg solid reactives drilled various versions of late....or weak.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PSS...I have not really given the XXXL that good of a trial!
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
How did you have yours layed out? Was it polished?
I had mine drilled 1:30 label & on my THS(3 houses) it went long & snapped almost as hard as a pearl resin.
Unless you had it drilled low pin, dull surface, & really dry lanes, I just can't see the xxl burning up.
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Righty
Think about it!
Righty,
I think he must be bowling on toast.
My XXL rolled out the first time I tried using it. The lanes had not been oiled in a couple days (after two leagues and lots of open play). The ball was dead by the time it got to the arrows. On a fresh pattern, it is very long and snaps pretty hard on the squeaky backends.
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Jon (in Ohio)
Post by: Sawuser on January 31, 2008, 02:50:57 PM
I think he must be bowling on toast.
My XXL rolled out the first time I tried using it. The lanes had not been oiled in a couple days (after two leagues and lots of open play). The ball was dead by the time it got to the arrows. On a fresh pattern, it is very long and snaps pretty hard on the squeaky backends.
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Jon (in Ohio)
You're probably right! I normally used mine on fresh or slightly worn, but I will admit I never had the opportunity to try it on burnt lanes. All of my bowling friends however, would not believe it wasn't resin!
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Righty
Think about it!
Post by: Steven on January 31, 2008, 02:58:02 PM
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I have a ton of used urethanes in my basement that I could use. Why would I ever buy into the hype and marketing to pay big bucks for old technology?!
As hard as it was, I should have ignored it. Novawagonmaster was right in that I shouldn't have engaged you. It was a losing proposition fron the start.
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Post by: Sawuser on January 31, 2008, 03:34:42 PM
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That's it Steven, keep on keeping on. I have received numerous messages from other members of the Lane #1 group that this is your usual modus operandi. I too wish that you had ignored my post. That way I would have left thinking you were a pompous idiot instead of being certain of it after reading your nonsense.
Your profile says your 50!?
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Righty
Think about it!
Post by: T-GOD on January 31, 2008, 03:55:22 PM
That's a Purple Nitro core, re-hashed and re-named with a higher price tag..!! Hmmmm... What gives..? Why all the Lane #1 bashing using old technology and not others..? =:^D
Edited on 1/31/2008 4:55 PM
Post by: Strider on January 31, 2008, 04:05:53 PM
Bowling balls cost a lot more now than they did in the days of the Blue Hammer. My Slate Blue Gargoyle was cheaper than $150, but not the $70 you can occasionally find an old Hammer for. Even so, many are used, and most are 16# which not many throw anymore. Now if I had access to a new 15# Blue Hammer, would I choose it over a new $150 Liberator? Probably. I got a great deal on a used Thunderflash several years ago, and I still have the Slate Blue Gargoyle.
Now, back to the cores. The Tsunami is the smoothest ball I have ever rolled. It has the same cover on it (or one so close that it's not worth mentioning) that Brunswick has on other balls. I can only attribute it to the action of the core. Most people regard the core as 20-30% of the ball's motion. I also had a Blue Dot and currently have an XXXL. While the cover's are different, I doubt there is a big difference in one polyester cover compared to any other. Again, I attribute the difference to the core. Sure, this is a 2 piece core compared to a pancake, but it shows that the core is important. Compare a strong asymmetric cored ball to one with a simple symmetric one. There are plenty of examples of both types of cores in the same cover stock. They will roll different.
A lot of people say the bomb core rolls different than the standard diamond. I don't own anything with the bomb core to give my opinion, but enough people say it for me to believe it. Now if you don't want to buy a Liberator, don't, but at least do it for the right reason. Most of us own 3-10+ resin balls. If you bowl on certain conditions, there's nothing wrong with owning different urethane balls.
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Post by: Steven on January 31, 2008, 04:24:26 PM
Based on what I've seen so far, it has a lot of similarities to the Thunderflash. Of course, I'm excited about the diamond core because I think it makes the ball even smoother. It really does 'hit' well, which is one of the knocks on most traditional urethanes. My driller puts more on the ball than I do, so it will be an interesting contrast to see what it does for me.
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"Sometimes, the best move is the one we don't make"
Post by: Strider on January 31, 2008, 08:18:02 PM
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Special thanks to Lane#1 for donations to two consecutive Ballreviews Get Togethers.
Ron Clifton's Bowling Tip Archive (http://"http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm")