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Doug Sterner

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Massacre Problems
« on: December 12, 2009, 11:45:57 AM »
Has anyone else drilled a Massacre and not exactly gotten the reaction out of it you had expected?

I drilled one up close to a stacked drill and it didn't  have the big snap on the backend like I had expected. So I asked Lane 1  and they told me the Massacore balls acted differently. So I drilled my Red Death and my Bluer Death differently (out of the box thinking as they say) and have been very happy.

So I pulled the Massacre out and redrilled it with pin closer to PAP, low hole and tried it out. Well, the ball isn't doing what I wanted it to now either.

Anybody else been less than impressed with their Massacre?
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2009, 07:50:01 PM »
Me and user T Brockette drilled one up each very similar to a stacked drilling and we both disliked the reaction and sold the balls within a month of buying them. Both of them hit the pins like a marshmellow for both of us.

Just moved and considered it a ball that was not for me..
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2009, 08:01:51 PM »
well Jim I don't know...I used Mo's Dual Angle on both the Red and Blue Deaths so I used it again on the Massacre and I got nowhere close to my desired reaction.

In fact the ball isn't doing much of anything...it starts to turn at the end like I was hoping but it kind of just flattens out and dies.

The drilling I used: 80 x 2 x 25 with a weighthole located at approximately P3.

As I said the ball isn't doing much of anything at the moment. The layout should give me length with a very quick response to the friction. My XXXL gets a similar reaction to this ball at the moment.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2009, 08:09:58 PM »
Anybody other than Jim with an INTELLIGENT response?
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2009, 08:42:34 PM »
Doug,

Thats exactly the reaction me and Tracy were seeing. IT looked like it wanted to turn the corner and then just died..

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In fact the ball isn't doing much of anything...it starts to turn at the end like I was hoping but it kind of just flattens out and dies.

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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 08:43:33 PM »
The First Massacre I drilled for myself I wasn't impressed with.  I drilled it with the PIN about 1" above the Middle finger and CG out around 35deg.  It wasn't anywhere as strong as my current Massacre that is drilled Stacked.  But I still think I should have went with 5x3 or 5x4 on the Massacre to maximize the strength of the ball..

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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 08:47:11 PM »
I am going to check with the Chuck and see what he thinks. Maybe he can shed some light on the situation.
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2009, 08:56:56 PM »
Drilled mine 5 1/2 x 4 (no balance hole needed, 3/4 side and 1 1/4 top) and love it! Great length and strong backend.
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2009, 09:17:27 PM »
mine turned the corner with teh best of them, had no issue there, i disliked the early start and if I punched another i would change it up a bit no problems with reaction, just too early
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2009, 10:15:57 PM »
My massacre I had drilled stacked and totally hated it. The ball rolled terrible I think I sold it after about 10 games. My red death I went pin up cg out.. That ball is super strong and goes really long sometimes barely makes it to the pocket considering its strength. My blue death I got smart and went pin down under my ring finger. That ball is money I like it alot so far!!
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 02:22:47 AM »
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well Jim I don't know...I used Mo's Dual Angle on both the Red and Blue Deaths so I used it again on the Massacre and I got nowhere close to my desired reaction.

In fact the ball isn't doing much of anything...it starts to turn at the end like I was hoping but it kind of just flattens out and dies.

The drilling I used: 80 x 2 x 25 with a weighthole located at approximately P3.

As I said the ball isn't doing much of anything at the moment. The layout should give me length with a very quick response to the friction. My XXXL gets a similar reaction to this ball at the moment.

Any thoughts?
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Just out of curiosity Doug, why did you go with a two inch pin to pap? If the drilling doesn't promote flare it's really not going to hook. I am not trying to offend you in any way, but isn't a two inch pin to pap in the small flare range. I don't really throw lane 1, but it's symmetrical right?
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2009, 08:34:43 PM »
No Revs....I went with a 2" pin to PAP for the exact reason you state. I wanted a ball to switch to when the red Death and Blue Death were too much ball.

The 2" pin to PAP should cut the flare and promote the even reaction on the dry that I was looking for. However this ball doesn't ever make the turn in any way shape or form.

I threw it on a lane condition that was just what I wanted it for and the ball never faced up.

Perhaps it was rolling up too early and dying....there were a couple of oil rings on the ball but they were not very defined. In retrospect perhaps the head oil was just flat out gone, causing the ball to roll up and die.

I have a couple of other balls drilled similarly and they do not act anywhere close to this.

I just wonder if the core design with the super heavy flip block is causing this reaction.

I dunno.
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 09:19:36 AM »
I drilled an NTense 60x2.5x45. The reaction was not what I was expecting either. I wanted a controllable drilling as my rev rate is pretty high. What I got is a ball that hooks at my feet with no back end. I think I should have went with a 5 inch pip to pap. It kinda sounds like your massacre is in the same boat. Good luck if you decide to plug and re drill, I am. Sorry, I guess I didn''t see you were trying to fit the massacre between the red and blue.

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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 10:48:48 AM »
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obviously your ending static wts are not 2.90090320902390 oz top, .66886949945845344 oz finger and .9343483483848882842 oz side....if you dont meet these ending statics then the dual angle drill means nothing...maybe urbanlegend, Tslob or bowlerbeotch can help you....
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Re: Massacre Problems
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 06:10:38 PM »
Doug...Did you hear back from Chuck about your Massacre ?
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