Post by: golfnutFL on September 07, 2009, 07:01:48 PM
Post by: dizzyfugu on September 08, 2009, 03:45:52 AM
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Post by: triggerman on September 08, 2009, 12:19:45 PM
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Post by: triggerman on September 08, 2009, 02:24:21 PM
.038 Finish 2000 grit abralon Red/Black with Pure Grip/Explosion Hybrid
cover
will post a flyer very soon
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Post by: sluggo35 on September 08, 2009, 02:31:08 PM
Post by: urbanj51 on September 08, 2009, 03:17:35 PM
Well, they have, but it wasn't produced.....
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Post by: golfnutFL on September 08, 2009, 03:18:10 PM
Post by: blacknois on September 08, 2009, 03:20:33 PM
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Doubtful. Lane 1 has never made a true hybrid, pearl/solid cover before.
Well, they have, but it wasn't produced.....
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You probably have one,or a case, not that its a bad thing either
Post by: triggerman on September 08, 2009, 03:23:17 PM
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 08, 2009, 03:31:30 PM
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Doubtful. Lane 1 has never made a true hybrid, pearl/solid cover before.
Well, they have, but it wasn't produced.....
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You probably have one,or a case, not that its a bad thing either
That I do! Working on getting the other 5 out there.....Got 4, well 5 soon. There's 10 total....
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 08, 2009, 03:32:30 PM
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solid/solid hybrid cover, same style core as the massacre, expcept that the flipblock is super dense they are tellimg me half the weight of the core is in just the flipblock, same material in the flipblock is in the uranium series balls
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Honestly, I'm sick of Lane 1 not putting out a true hybrid cover. I want a damn pearl/solid hybrid cover and not these stupid queer solid/solid and pearl/pearl covers.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on September 08, 2009, 03:38:37 PM
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Post by: triggerman on September 08, 2009, 03:43:08 PM
What if you took a solid know for midlane release, and mixed in a solid known for backend reaction? just saying that I think you would end up with a different look on the lanes the straight resin A or straight resin B
yes a pearl solid combo would be nice, and I would like to see one as well, but based upon these two solids they are using, and the super heavy flip block, I think this might be a different animal then I have seen from lane 1
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 08, 2009, 03:44:57 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on September 08, 2009, 05:33:14 PM
It's not a hybrid until mica is involved, and that means pearl (or at least particle). Two solid resins together just means you've come up with a new solid resin.
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Post by: charlest on September 08, 2009, 05:45:11 PM
"You buy a ball reaction, NOT A ball(, Not a core and certainly not a cover)."
If the solid/solid combo + the dense flip block results in a different ball reaction than can be garnered from drilling and surface manipulation, then you have a "horse of a different color", which is what you want.
Anyone for a dose of common sense?
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Edited on 9/8/2009 5:45 PM
Post by: KingofKings696 on September 08, 2009, 06:08:01 PM
Post by: icewall on September 08, 2009, 06:14:57 PM
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I'm probably more tired of saying this than you are of hearing it, but
"You buy a ball reaction, NOT A ball(, Not a core and certainly not a cover)."
If the solid/solid combo + the dense flip block results in a different ball reaction than can be garnered from drilling and surface manipulation, then you have a "horse of a different color", which is what you want.
Anyone for a dose of common sense?
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Edited on 9/8/2009 5:45 PM
and I have read it a thousand times from you... don't think people are getting it. sigh...
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Post by: charlest on September 08, 2009, 07:22:20 PM
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Lane 1 tends to be different in the way they function and I believe that is why so many of us enjoy their products.. They make a pearl that is early and rolls much like your typical heavy oil solids how many other companies can say that?
Other than the Agent Orange, which is so dull it should be illegal, which Lane#1 Pearl rolls like a HEAVY oil solid?
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Post by: JessN16 on September 08, 2009, 11:54:01 PM
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I'm probably more tired of saying this than you are of hearing it, but
"You buy a ball reaction, NOT A ball(, Not a core and certainly not a cover)."
If the solid/solid combo + the dense flip block results in a different ball reaction than can be garnered from drilling and surface manipulation, then you have a "horse of a different color", which is what you want.
Anyone for a dose of common sense?
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Edited on 9/8/2009 5:45 PM
That's very true. I'm just speaking about the marketing platform used to get the point across.
Jess
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on September 09, 2009, 08:54:28 AM
Post by: Doug Sterner on September 10, 2009, 09:46:44 AM
Coverstock A gives them good length but is a bit weak on the backend.
Coverstock B rolls up earlier and screams on the backend.
What the company is looking for is a ball that goes long and turns hard. So through some experimentation and adjusting the percentages of A and B they formulate a Hybrid of the 2 covers to get what they want.
I think it's cutting down on R&D time and money. Why make a brand new cover when you can mix 2 old covers you already have an get the same result? Or even better, a new reaction you didn't expect?
I think it's just a sign of the times guy driven by the economy.
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 10, 2009, 12:00:56 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on September 10, 2009, 11:37:14 PM
#1 the box on my Red Death is wrong....the surface is 2000 Abralon as you stated...seems they forgot the change teh box labels...they were going to release the bal lat 4000 but decided that 2000 is better.
#2 the pearl/solid hybrid has to be quite touchy. I mean the Ultra ZOne was about the first one on the market and it lasted how long? not long because it wasnt very good. Now I know there are others out there but I may have a possible reason.....I am thinking that the amount of experimentation needed to get just the right mix may be too much for the chemists at 900 G to handle right now. 900 Global has some of the hottest balls going right now. It's quite possible they don't have time to mess around and put in the needed time to get it right.
Just my opinion.
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Post by: triggerman on September 11, 2009, 07:47:25 AM
will be punching tomorrow and trying it out. will do the oob first, but I can see me taking this to 4k abralon, or leaving it at 2k and giving it some polish
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Post by: Doug Sterner on September 11, 2009, 10:18:41 AM
I left the box finish at the 2000 and went from there.
The ball is surprisingly smooth and clean up front. I can't normally use dull finished balls in our house since I have a hard time getting them thru the heads. I was able to play up the lane just inside the track area or move 10 left and play the ball inside out to the 10 board and still have it get pocket.
Even with this layout the ball reads the midlane remarkably well. I normally have problems with skating when I get the pin left of the centerline but not this time. The ball reads the midlane so well I can't believe it.
However the biggest surprise here was the backend. The Red Death has a stronger backend than my X-2 but is not as angular. This should not be the case but the layout differences and coverstock preps would tend to dictate that this be the case. I am not saying the backend is weak by any means...I pitched a few out last night that my teammates didn't think had a chance and the ball still got to the pocket.
The performance of this ball leads me to think I may have to get one of the original Massacres.....
More feedback to come after tonight.....
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