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SprayNpray

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More Buzzbomb woes...
« on: February 28, 2008, 06:20:34 PM »
So I decided that after the poor reaction I have been getting with my Buzzbomb, that I needed to try a different surface.  I decided to change the surface from 1000 (box) to 4000, which would put it at the same surface as my Bite.

After talking with my pro shop guy who is VERY good and has drilled over 20 Lane #1 balls for me, he is of the opinion that there may be a problem with the ball itself, and was planning to call Lane #1 to get some of their opinions.  I haven't as of yet heard the results.

Here are the facts:
- The Buzzbomb repeatedly took out the 3 pin where the Bite was blowing through the nose or going Brooklyn on the same line.  Even my Emerald Pearl was moving more than the Buzzbomb @ 4000!
- The Buzzbomb is flaring a ton, probably too much.  I don't think I have ever seen this much flare, in fact there is probably 3/8" of separation in the oil rings and about 7-8" of total flare.  I normally get closer to 4-5" on a given ball, give or take an inch.
- My pro shop guy said he had a bear of a time getting the ending weights where he wanted them, especially the side weight.  He didn't quite fully explain what problem he was having because he was swamped with customers.

Now here is to weird part, and maybe someone can chime in who knows reactions and ball motion to tell me what this means.  My proshop guy placed a sticker on the ball where he said my PAP was on this particular ball, and it looked closer to my grip than where my PAP would normally be.

He told me to watch the motion of the sticker when I threw the ball, and that if the sticker stayed tight in the center of the axis, then the ball was performing how it was supposed to.  However, he said that if the sticker deviated from the axis too much, that he would suspect something was wrong with the ball, possibly mismarked or something with the core wobbling too much (his words).

What I saw was the sticker going from tight in the center to deviating probably 4" from center, then back to tight, then back to 4" from center before it hit the pins.  What the hell does this mean?  Seems like the ball is flaring really weird, but I have never tried to concentrate on a sticker on my axis while the ball was rolling before either, so what should I be seeing?  According to the proshop guy, it should have stayed tight until it got into a roll and headed to toward the pocket.

So someone help me.  I tried a different surface thinking that maybe I could get the ball to behave differently, but it was even worse than it was at 1000.  I am starting to think I am in the same boat as Nicanor, and possibly received a bad ball or one that was mismarked somehow.

Again, I was throwing my Bite and my original Widow at 4000 (same surface as Buzzbomb) and getting spectacular reactions.  The lanes had been freshly oiled about 2 hours before I started bowling.

I really DON'T want to plug and redrill because that has an effect on how much I could sell it for if I ever decided to do so, and I really want to achieve the reaction that so many others here have raved about- like someone said before, they have over $180 reasons to want to make this ball work- more for me since I support my proshop as much as I can.  Hopefully between me, my proshop guy and Lane #1, we can get this thing figured out.  Any input anyone can give would be appreciated though.




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roger

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2008, 05:21:02 AM »
What are the spec of the ball?
How do you drilled it (layout)?

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2008, 05:42:45 AM »
I got the buzz bomb. I have the pin above my ring finger. I'm a right handed person. I stand right next to the ball return and throw across the 0ne two arrow and it has snap right to the 1-3 pocket. I wear a prothsect leg and and I love this ball. if u look at the drill sheet and look for the stacked lay out that is the one I went with and moved the pin closer to my right ring finger.I shoot a 220 every night on leauge.

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2008, 06:21:28 AM »
SprayNpray,

Are you sure about the movements of the sticker?
That is weird, the only way this happens is that the ball beging flaring forward (away from the PAP), then beging flaring backward (to the PAP), then flaring forward (away from the PAP).
The the sticker's color that you used if different from all colors on the ball?

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 06:55:37 AM »
Wouldn't be the first time I had seen a ball flare funny like that.  Anything pin-axis for me does something somewhat similar then hits the thumb hole right before the pins.

However it is strange for the ball to start at your axis, go away, then come back to it.  Your axis should have been tight until the ball started rolling/ transitioning which is when it starts deviating from that spot.  To come back to it does not make any sense.  Of course I don't know all the mechanics of cores either.
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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 07:15:28 AM »
I had a xxcel that flared more than anything I've ever thrown. You could lay your finger between the oil rings and not get wet. The ball hooked 2 boards. I never saw this ball do anything until I got to Reno last year. Then it gave me a great reaction. Too much friction here at home. It almost sounds like that tape was not on your axis. The only time I've seen a ball flare like yours is from this guy that throws 12# with a LOT of revs. His ball looks like it turns all the way around back to its original axis.

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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2008, 10:22:48 AM »
I've never taped it, but I have a pro-pin Paradigm that has about 6-7 inches of flare with 3/8 or more separation between the rings. The ball also goes DOA about halfway down the lane (extreme hook/set). In my particular case, it's not a bad thing -- I can move dead right, amp the speed up, and throw darts at the pocket when the lanes (particularly the backends) are toast. But because the ball is also flaring so much right off my hand, I can use it on longer patterns because the ball uses up all its energy in the first 40-50 feet. I've shot some big numbers with that ball.

What it sounds to me is that your ball is mismarked. You very well might have the markings 180 degrees out of phase.

My Paradigm came with an 11.5-inch pin. Pin, CG and MB are all in a straight line, with the MB about 6 inches below the pin and the CG another 5-6 inches below the MB. You should see what mental gymnastics my driller at the time had to use to get that ball statically legal. And while it's now legal, it doesn't move at all like my regular Paradigm, or any other ball I own.

But if I had money to bet on this, I'd say something's up with the ball markings. You may have gotten legal with your drilling but almost by accident, if that makes any sense.

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 10:29:39 AM »
You might have some quality issues like BrunsNick experienced with this solid Uraniums he intended on testing for the CG video.
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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 11:27:25 AM »
Spray, how about posting a video of your ball going down the lane with the tape on it..? I would love to see how your ball is drilled and watching it go down the lane with the tape. =:^D

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2008, 12:06:08 PM »
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You might have some quality issues like BrunsNick experienced with this solid Uraniums he intended on testing for the CG video.
 


Dawg: Those Uraniums were poured by Brunswick. The BuzzBomb is poured by 900 Global, which has very stringent quality control. Anything is possible, but...

I got the word that mine is ready (drilled 4 1/2 x 3 3/8), so I'm going to try it out later today. Should be interesting.
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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2008, 01:24:59 PM »
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Spray, how about posting a video of your ball going down the lane with the tape on it..? I would love to see how your ball is drilled and watching it go down the lane with the tape. =:^D


Ok there is a remote possibility that I can get some video done on Sunday, and if I can I will post it.  I have to meet up with a buddy of mine who has a video camera, and do some practice.  Unfortunately I don't have a camera of my own.

Until then, this is the best I can do.  I took a pic of the layout and I tried to get a picture of the track, but it is really hard to see and sorry it isn't that great of a picture.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/001.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/003.jpg

The most surprising thing is where my pro shop guy put the sticker- my normal PAP is 5 over 1/2 up, and the sticker here seems real close to the grip- maybe the answer is somewhere relating to this?  Looks like if the sticker is in the right place, it would be about a 2" pin-to-PAP?

That makes me wonder what could cause my PAP to move so much?  The original idea was to have the pin 3 3/8 from PAP.  I don't understand core mechanics enough to explain this.

I am at the point where I will try just about anything, but I sure hate to plug and put more holes in the ball because of the negative effect on re-sale value.
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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2008, 02:32:11 PM »
I see a problem with the layout. This layout goes longer, is for shorter pins and higher tracks. The pin is not short and your track is not high. Then you want the pin strong with a strong ball...OVERKILL..!! =:^D

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 05:24:58 PM »
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I see a problem with the layout. This layout goes longer, is for shorter pins and higher tracks. The pin is not short and your track is not high. Then you want the pin strong with a strong ball...OVERKILL..!! =:^D
 


Then explain to me why this ball is a monster and my Buzzbomb is a turd:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/006.jpg

Long pin, strong ball, strong pin- what is the difference?
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Edited on 2/29/2008 6:26 PM

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2008, 05:29:44 PM »
Longer pin to pap, weaker cover = energy retention i think 4 1/2 - 5 1/2 pin to pap and 4k finish = great ball try it you might like it.

Plugging aint going to kill you now since the ball does not do squat correct???






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I see a problem with the layout. This layout goes longer, is for shorter pins and higher tracks. The pin is not short and your track is not high. Then you want the pin strong with a strong ball...OVERKILL..!! =:^D
 


Then explain to me why this ball is a monster and my Buzzbomb is a turd:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/006.jpg

Long pin, strong ball, strong pin- what is the difference?
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Edited on 2/29/2008 6:26 PM

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2008, 05:44:43 PM »
Buzzbomb, drilled stacked leverage, VERY strong reaction for me. Not as much back end as my Odyssey (both stacked and OOB)but it's close. BB is just as strong as my Cell.
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