Post by: SprayNpray on February 28, 2008, 06:20:34 PM
After talking with my pro shop guy who is VERY good and has drilled over 20 Lane #1 balls for me, he is of the opinion that there may be a problem with the ball itself, and was planning to call Lane #1 to get some of their opinions. I haven't as of yet heard the results.
Here are the facts:
- The Buzzbomb repeatedly took out the 3 pin where the Bite was blowing through the nose or going Brooklyn on the same line. Even my Emerald Pearl was moving more than the Buzzbomb @ 4000!
- The Buzzbomb is flaring a ton, probably too much. I don't think I have ever seen this much flare, in fact there is probably 3/8" of separation in the oil rings and about 7-8" of total flare. I normally get closer to 4-5" on a given ball, give or take an inch.
- My pro shop guy said he had a bear of a time getting the ending weights where he wanted them, especially the side weight. He didn't quite fully explain what problem he was having because he was swamped with customers.
Now here is to weird part, and maybe someone can chime in who knows reactions and ball motion to tell me what this means. My proshop guy placed a sticker on the ball where he said my PAP was on this particular ball, and it looked closer to my grip than where my PAP would normally be.
He told me to watch the motion of the sticker when I threw the ball, and that if the sticker stayed tight in the center of the axis, then the ball was performing how it was supposed to. However, he said that if the sticker deviated from the axis too much, that he would suspect something was wrong with the ball, possibly mismarked or something with the core wobbling too much (his words).
What I saw was the sticker going from tight in the center to deviating probably 4" from center, then back to tight, then back to 4" from center before it hit the pins. What the hell does this mean? Seems like the ball is flaring really weird, but I have never tried to concentrate on a sticker on my axis while the ball was rolling before either, so what should I be seeing? According to the proshop guy, it should have stayed tight until it got into a roll and headed to toward the pocket.
So someone help me. I tried a different surface thinking that maybe I could get the ball to behave differently, but it was even worse than it was at 1000. I am starting to think I am in the same boat as Nicanor, and possibly received a bad ball or one that was mismarked somehow.
Again, I was throwing my Bite and my original Widow at 4000 (same surface as Buzzbomb) and getting spectacular reactions. The lanes had been freshly oiled about 2 hours before I started bowling.
I really DON'T want to plug and redrill because that has an effect on how much I could sell it for if I ever decided to do so, and I really want to achieve the reaction that so many others here have raved about- like someone said before, they have over $180 reasons to want to make this ball work- more for me since I support my proshop as much as I can. Hopefully between me, my proshop guy and Lane #1, we can get this thing figured out. Any input anyone can give would be appreciated though.
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Post by: roger on February 29, 2008, 05:21:02 AM
How do you drilled it (layout)?
Post by: DragonLord on February 29, 2008, 05:42:45 AM
Post by: roger on February 29, 2008, 06:21:28 AM
Are you sure about the movements of the sticker?
That is weird, the only way this happens is that the ball beging flaring forward (away from the PAP), then beging flaring backward (to the PAP), then flaring forward (away from the PAP).
The the sticker's color that you used if different from all colors on the ball?
Post by: wulfpackbwlr on February 29, 2008, 06:55:37 AM
However it is strange for the ball to start at your axis, go away, then come back to it. Your axis should have been tight until the ball started rolling/ transitioning which is when it starts deviating from that spot. To come back to it does not make any sense. Of course I don't know all the mechanics of cores either.
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Post by: no300tj on February 29, 2008, 07:15:28 AM
Post by: JessN16 on February 29, 2008, 10:22:48 AM
What it sounds to me is that your ball is mismarked. You very well might have the markings 180 degrees out of phase.
My Paradigm came with an 11.5-inch pin. Pin, CG and MB are all in a straight line, with the MB about 6 inches below the pin and the CG another 5-6 inches below the MB. You should see what mental gymnastics my driller at the time had to use to get that ball statically legal. And while it's now legal, it doesn't move at all like my regular Paradigm, or any other ball I own.
But if I had money to bet on this, I'd say something's up with the ball markings. You may have gotten legal with your drilling but almost by accident, if that makes any sense.
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Post by: KDawg77 on February 29, 2008, 10:29:39 AM
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Post by: T-GOD on February 29, 2008, 11:27:25 AM
Post by: Steven on February 29, 2008, 12:06:08 PM
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You might have some quality issues like BrunsNick experienced with this solid Uraniums he intended on testing for the CG video.
Dawg: Those Uraniums were poured by Brunswick. The BuzzBomb is poured by 900 Global, which has very stringent quality control. Anything is possible, but...
I got the word that mine is ready (drilled 4 1/2 x 3 3/8), so I'm going to try it out later today. Should be interesting.
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Post by: SprayNpray on February 29, 2008, 01:24:59 PM
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Spray, how about posting a video of your ball going down the lane with the tape on it..? I would love to see how your ball is drilled and watching it go down the lane with the tape. =:^D
Ok there is a remote possibility that I can get some video done on Sunday, and if I can I will post it. I have to meet up with a buddy of mine who has a video camera, and do some practice. Unfortunately I don't have a camera of my own.
Until then, this is the best I can do. I took a pic of the layout and I tried to get a picture of the track, but it is really hard to see and sorry it isn't that great of a picture.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/001.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/003.jpg
The most surprising thing is where my pro shop guy put the sticker- my normal PAP is 5 over 1/2 up, and the sticker here seems real close to the grip- maybe the answer is somewhere relating to this? Looks like if the sticker is in the right place, it would be about a 2" pin-to-PAP?
That makes me wonder what could cause my PAP to move so much? The original idea was to have the pin 3 3/8 from PAP. I don't understand core mechanics enough to explain this.
I am at the point where I will try just about anything, but I sure hate to plug and put more holes in the ball because of the negative effect on re-sale value.
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Post by: T-GOD on February 29, 2008, 02:32:11 PM
Post by: SprayNpray on February 29, 2008, 05:24:58 PM
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I see a problem with the layout. This layout goes longer, is for shorter pins and higher tracks. The pin is not short and your track is not high. Then you want the pin strong with a strong ball...OVERKILL..!! =:^D
Then explain to me why this ball is a monster and my Buzzbomb is a turd:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/006.jpg
Long pin, strong ball, strong pin- what is the difference?
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Edited on 2/29/2008 6:25 PM
Edited on 2/29/2008 6:26 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 29, 2008, 05:29:44 PM
Plugging aint going to kill you now since the ball does not do squat correct???
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I see a problem with the layout. This layout goes longer, is for shorter pins and higher tracks. The pin is not short and your track is not high. Then you want the pin strong with a strong ball...OVERKILL..!! =:^D
Then explain to me why this ball is a monster and my Buzzbomb is a turd:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/006.jpg
Long pin, strong ball, strong pin- what is the difference?
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Edited on 2/29/2008 6:25 PM
Edited on 2/29/2008 6:26 PM
Post by: golfnutFL on February 29, 2008, 05:44:43 PM
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Post by: T-GOD on February 29, 2008, 09:05:56 PM
Post by: Saw Mill on February 29, 2008, 09:24:17 PM
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Post by: balibowler on February 29, 2008, 09:24:38 PM
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Then explain to me why this ball is a monster and my Buzzbomb is a turd:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/006.jpg
Long pin, strong ball, strong pin- what is the difference?
Umm, thats not even close to the same layout. The pin to pap distances are WAY different. Your pap is normally 5 over you said? well, that would put your pin to pap on the uranium at about 4 - 4.5 inches, with the pin about an inch over the finger level. the buzz bomb is like 1 - 1.5 inch pin to pap and the pin is level with the fingers... NOT even close.
Edited on 2/29/2008 10:25 PM
Post by: Sawuser on February 29, 2008, 10:03:32 PM
Your PAP will normally be the same on about every ball you throw. I think I would get the pro shop guy to varify your PAP.Something seems very wrong to me!
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Post by: SprayNpray on March 01, 2008, 03:30:31 AM
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Spray, is that white dot on your ball supposed to be your PAP? If so, it only looks to be about 3". You said your pro shop operator told you that was your PAP on this particular ball? Your PAP will normally be the same on about every ball you throw. I think I would get the pro shop guy to varify your PAP.
Something seems very wrong to me!
Yes, that is something that threw me as well. Now if that sticker is correctly placed, and I have no reason to doubt what my pro shop guy says, it means that my PAP has changed drastically when throwing the Buzzbomb.
I am curious as to what could cause this, and obviously if the PAP is changed that much, it could explain the reaction I am getting because the pin-to-PAP is much shorter than the intended 3 3/8". I would feel a lot better if someone could answer this question. As it stands, unless I know what to look out for, I could just keep buying random ball X and have it turn out to roll like crap for me because just throwing that particular ball changes my PAP!
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Even though the Uranium is drilled label 1:30 by looks, it could actually be a CG out if you check the measurements. =:^D
I apologize for my crude understanding of all these concepts. I am trying to understand what is going on, and I appreciate everyone's help and suggestions so far. To a layman (me), the layouts on the Solid Uranium and the Buzzbomb looked similar, with the exception of the pin-out, so that was why I asked about it. I didn't consider that it could actually be a CG out, but that makes sense now thinking in terms of relation to PAP, not relation to grip- just had to wrap my brain around the concept.
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Plugging aint going to kill you now since the ball does not do squat correct???
Can't argue with that; good point. In fact, that is next on my list, right after making sure that my PAP is marked correctly on the Buzzbomb. If I plug and redrill based on the new PAP, and use a Lane #1-recommended layout on the new drill, I'll be looking for some pretty good results. If that doesn't happen, then I guess I'll try to get it replaced.
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Post by: T-GOD on March 01, 2008, 08:29:11 AM
Post by: irishluck1970 on March 01, 2008, 04:42:28 PM