Author Topic: Mr. Buzzsaw --- biggest imposter ever? (Read 2850 times)

BrunsNick · « **on:** April 05, 2006, 10:36:21 AM »

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Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:55:01

Hi Nick,

I haven't heard anything about this..... Send me a link!!!

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Hey Billy...

Any input you can give me on the recent Lane #1 cg testing?

Richie is causing a little bit of a stink on the forums.

Nick Smith
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Edited on 4/5/2006 6:46 PM

GTX · « **Reply #16 on:** April 06, 2006, 02:09:55 PM »

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Richie was there, spoke to Tony Mediola and Larry Neble from Brunswick yesterday in Conneticut at The TOC pro am, Tony was with Ritchie at brunwswick for the throwbot testing!! Retro

I guess we now know who is the biggest imposter EVER
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shelley · « **Reply #17 on:** April 06, 2006, 02:22:45 PM »

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yo this isnt supposed to be about validity noones dissing noone, all I know is that CG matters only very little, but yes it does matter even the slightest movement in the core will cause a difference, "for every action there is a reaction", and In my humble opinion WHO THE HELL CARES!!!

I haven't paid super-close attention to this, but something did just kinda pop into my head.

Last summer, the original Throwbot vids came out (when the X-hole ban was in full swing). In those vids, there was a comparison between a ball drilled basically label leverage with modest (or even negative) side weight and no required X-hole and a ball drilled with the CG kicked to about 3oz of side weight.

Visually, there was no difference in their paths down the lane (in the video). When the paths were plotted on a graph, again, essentially no difference. The additional side weight didn't make a difference in the ball's path because the core orientation was fundamentally unchanged. A 32nd of an inch, maybe, because that's all that's needed to create pin-out.

But several people commented on the two balls' behavior at the pins, how the two balls finished and continued through the pin deck. The negative-weight ball hit kinda flat (whether it struck or not) and the positive-weight ball had much more power, drive, and continuation.

I have to wonder if that's not the difference that's being talked about here. Brunswick may say CG-no-matter because reaction-wise, that's entirely true. Lane 1 says CG-does-matter because from hit and power perspectives, that is true.

I do find it difficult to believe that the pin itself doesn't matter. If that truly were the case, we'd've figured it out a LONG time ago. Throwbot isn't new, and drilling is a science, whether pro shops and drillers do the experimentation or ball companies do. I have to believe that pin-no-matter would have been observed before if that really were the case.

SH

Retroman · « **Reply #18 on:** April 06, 2006, 03:16:48 PM »

Pin placement and mass bias placement are your 2 biggest factors, cg is in the equation but not the determing factor
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Retroman · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2006, 03:27:06 PM »

Another thing i found to be quite interesting when speaking with Tony yesterday is that Big B will be making all there own cores in house in the near future so you will be able to have more core/cover matchups then there is now.

Also all the Brunswick balls being Manufactured at there new facility overseas with all the new technologies they are finding the balls to be 3-5 boards stronger using the exact same resin formulations that are out right now!!!

And Lane 1 should also benifit by that!!!

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Retroman · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2006, 03:31:41 PM »

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I'm a big fan of Brunswick.. but I don't understand how they could say CG doesn't matter. When you move the MB, the Cg is moved directly proportional to the MB. So what I'm saying is that when the MB is moved.. the CG is moved. So, How can you say that the CG doesn't matter.. when you move the CG as you move the MB. If someone could explain this that would be great.

I'm always down my local pro shop and when I layout my bowling balls I will admit that I still take into account the CG and where it's placement is since then the MB placement is already given. *shrugs* I'm just slightly confused.

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I don't believe Brunswick thinks cg does not matter, I think it is that they place pin placement and mass bias ahead of cg in determing ball reaction in relation to pap
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2006, 04:12:36 PM »

Well...I think Richie is a very smart guy...from what I hear a top bowler...a great eye and a great mind and makes great products.

He has been helpful to me in spending time both on the phone and in emails explaining concepts to me that have helped me.

He also explained some fallacies to me that were known as so called common knowledge in the industry and various tests he had run in the past and I believed them and tried them and found his ideas to be true.

Bottom line there is not too much he says that I don't find to be believable or unverifiable.

REgards,

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GTX · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2006, 04:25:32 PM »

the sole problem of all these issues we have in OUR lane#1 section is because those idiots come from other sections and they want to force us to believe some sh1t they say .. like we care

I feel sad for BigB, storm .. etc to have bowlers with that much talent
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ebolanebowler · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:41:22 PM »

I'm with Ryan here, who craes if you think it matters then it matters, if you dont think it matters, then it doesnt matter, everyone just shut the F*&k up your making me read like 17 different posts of the same useless crap everyday
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ebolanebowler · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2006, 07:28:56 PM »

If you wouldnt post it I wouldnt read it, but yeah I guess im being a little bit of a baby
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BrunsNick · « **Reply #25 on:** April 06, 2006, 07:41:12 PM »

Ok... this topic has been diverted and derailed... locking it up
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