Post by: BrunsNick on April 05, 2006, 10:36:21 AM
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Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:55:01
Hi Nick,
I haven't heard anything about this..... Send me a link!!!
Billy O
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Hey Billy...
Any input you can give me on the recent Lane #1 cg testing?
Richie is causing a little bit of a stink on the forums.
Nick Smith
www.brunsnick.com
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Edited on 4/5/2006 6:46 PM
Post by: monstercrank on April 05, 2006, 06:38:27 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 05, 2006, 06:47:40 PM
Post by: DanH78 on April 05, 2006, 07:29:19 PM
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What are you gonna do? Beat me with your Jesus stick?
Post by: 302efi on April 05, 2006, 07:39:56 PM
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And for those of us out of the loop...who is Billy O?
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What are you gonna do? Beat me with your Jesus stick?
Billy Orlikowski...Guy that works at Brinswick.
Wow this is news !
An honest question...Why would the owner of Lane #1 bite the hand that feeds them ?
Dissing the company that makes your balls for you is pretty far out there...
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Post by: SprayNpray on April 05, 2006, 07:41:44 PM
I find it hard to believe that the owner of a major bowling ball company would stick his neck out in a public forum unless he really believed in what he was trying to say. I cannot speak to the validity of any claims made on either side because I am not a technical whiz when it comes to ball reaction. I just know what I see for myself.
But PLEASE! Now people are getting on here trying to imply that the test was never even conducted?! Could someone please explain in a rational way how this makes ANY sense at all? Is that to imply that Richie is trying to brainwash everyone? Gimme a break.
Some might call Richie a visionary and a genius, others might call him a kook. I call him a damn good businessman with the stones to compete with the big boys in a competitive industry, and the business sense to treat his customers with top notch customer service. Tough to argue with the quality of the product that comes outta Lane #1.
I take offense that rumors are being cited and ideas are being implied that have no purpose but to try to tarnish a well-earned positive reputation. Don't give me rumors, or anecdotal evidence, give me something a little more concrete, please. I'll be the first to request that this topic be deleted or locked. Shameful that it would come from a well respected member here like you, Nick.
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Post by: TTforshort on April 05, 2006, 08:20:46 PM
TT
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Post by: Walking E on April 05, 2006, 08:26:49 PM
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 05, 2006, 08:33:07 PM
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Nick, keep up the good work. You have suceeded in sending at least one loyal Brunswick fan to Lane 1. If this is the kind of BS that Brunswick supports, I am done with the company.
Call me crazy but aren't you still supporting the Big B when you buy a Lane#1 ball? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that Brunswick manufactures Lane#1 and they also use their coverstock technologies (maybe they tweak the formula a bit on some balls but for the most part).
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Post by: BrunsNick on April 05, 2006, 08:38:32 PM
All I am saying is that I question that Mr. Buzzsaw is really Richie. He claims that he recently did tests with Billy, so instead of getting involved in the now 8-page drama, I asked Billy his insight to the matter. His response was that he didn't know a thing about it. That leads me to believe that Mr Buzzsaw is not who he says he is...
So ttforshort, if it is BS to question the validity of a poster, then you're way out of line and so is your tantrum.
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Post by: WillynHook on April 05, 2006, 09:59:09 PM
ahem, yes. Mr Buzzsaw is most certainly Richie. And he is very aware
of the post(s) and its contents.
That is all.
Dr. Joe
Post by: ebolanebowler on April 05, 2006, 11:19:39 PM
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Post by: Retroman on April 06, 2006, 01:21:17 PM
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Tripping 10's, Its all about entry angle into the hole!!
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Post by: DanH78 on April 06, 2006, 01:59:37 PM
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I dont' understand how such a small company can stir up so much crap?! LOL
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Can the Napoleon complex be applied to entities as well as individuals?
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Post by: GTX on April 06, 2006, 02:09:55 PM
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Richie was there, spoke to Tony Mediola and Larry Neble from Brunswick yesterday in Conneticut at The TOC pro am, Tony was with Ritchie at brunwswick for the throwbot testing!! Retro
I guess we now know who is the biggest imposter EVER
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Post by: shelley on April 06, 2006, 02:22:45 PM
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yo this isnt supposed to be about validity noones dissing noone, all I know is that CG matters only very little, but yes it does matter even the slightest movement in the core will cause a difference, "for every action there is a reaction", and In my humble opinion WHO THE HELL CARES!!!
I haven't paid super-close attention to this, but something did just kinda pop into my head.
Last summer, the original Throwbot vids came out (when the X-hole ban was in full swing). In those vids, there was a comparison between a ball drilled basically label leverage with modest (or even negative) side weight and no required X-hole and a ball drilled with the CG kicked to about 3oz of side weight.
Visually, there was no difference in their paths down the lane (in the video). When the paths were plotted on a graph, again, essentially no difference. The additional side weight didn't make a difference in the ball's path because the core orientation was fundamentally unchanged. A 32nd of an inch, maybe, because that's all that's needed to create pin-out.
But several people commented on the two balls' behavior at the pins, how the two balls finished and continued through the pin deck. The negative-weight ball hit kinda flat (whether it struck or not) and the positive-weight ball had much more power, drive, and continuation.
I have to wonder if that's not the difference that's being talked about here. Brunswick may say CG-no-matter because reaction-wise, that's entirely true. Lane 1 says CG-does-matter because from hit and power perspectives, that is true.
I do find it difficult to believe that the pin itself doesn't matter. If that truly were the case, we'd've figured it out a LONG time ago. Throwbot isn't new, and drilling is a science, whether pro shops and drillers do the experimentation or ball companies do. I have to believe that pin-no-matter would have been observed before if that really were the case.
SH
Post by: Retroman on April 06, 2006, 03:16:48 PM
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Tripping 10's, Its all about entry angle into the hole!!
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Also all the Brunswick balls being Manufactured at there new facility overseas with all the new technologies they are finding the balls to be 3-5 boards stronger using the exact same resin formulations that are out right now!!!
And Lane 1 should also benifit by that!!!
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Post by: Retroman on April 06, 2006, 03:31:41 PM
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I'm a big fan of Brunswick.. but I don't understand how they could say CG doesn't matter. When you move the MB, the Cg is moved directly proportional to the MB. So what I'm saying is that when the MB is moved.. the CG is moved. So, How can you say that the CG doesn't matter.. when you move the CG as you move the MB. If someone could explain this that would be great.
I'm always down my local pro shop and when I layout my bowling balls I will admit that I still take into account the CG and where it's placement is since then the MB placement is already given. *shrugs* I'm just slightly confused.
-Chris
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I don't believe Brunswick thinks cg does not matter, I think it is that they place pin placement and mass bias ahead of cg in determing ball reaction in relation to pap
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He has been helpful to me in spending time both on the phone and in emails explaining concepts to me that have helped me.
He also explained some fallacies to me that were known as so called common knowledge in the industry and various tests he had run in the past and I believed them and tried them and found his ideas to be true.
Bottom line there is not too much he says that I don't find to be believable or unverifiable.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: GTX on April 06, 2006, 04:25:32 PM
I feel sad for BigB, storm .. etc to have bowlers with that much talent
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Post by: ebolanebowler on April 06, 2006, 06:41:22 PM
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I hate crankers, they make me LOOK inferior
Post by: ebolanebowler on April 06, 2006, 07:28:56 PM
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I hate crankers, they make me LOOK inferior
Post by: BrunsNick on April 06, 2006, 07:41:12 PM
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¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!