Author Topic: My defense in why I think the Buzzbomb was a dud and a flop (not intended to trash Lane 1) (Read 8211 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** June 22, 2009, 08:18:56 AM »

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This is right off the Lane 1 website:

Lane #1 introduces a new force in the bowling industry that outhooks all others. The BuzzBOMB is packed with our all new double sided Doomsday Bomb2 core. This Doomsday double Bomb core generates double the torque, creating double the hook on the backend.
Surrounding this nuclear power plant is our all new Pure GripTM solid reactive coverstock. This new formula grips the lanes on the heaviest oil. You won't believe your eyes when you see this midlane Hook Monster explode with a Huge Backend.
Hear the Buzz, see the Hook, watch your High Scores double with the BuzzBOMB..!!

Attn: Pro Shops

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Color: Purple/Black
Cover Stock: Pure GripTM solid reactive
Core: Doomsday Bomb2
Hook Rating: 120 out of 120 max
Backend Hook: 80%
Flare Potential: 5+
Pin Placement: 12 OÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ clock 1-5Ã¢â‚¬Â out
15lb rg min: 2.487

15lb rg max: 2.539

15lb diff: .052

Construction: 3-piece
Finish: 1000 Grit Dull
Available Weights: 13, 14, 15, & 16lb.

According to this, the Buzzbomb had good midlane, but the hook rating is 120 out of 120 and the backend was 80 percent. Now that tells me huge backend, not rolling out, not buring up but double the hook on the back end.

When a small company puts out a flop like this, then follows up with the flop pearl, they doubled their mistake even though the BBr was a little more user friendly, they are not on the top of the bowling ball sales. Way too much negative exposure. The Agent Orange is a great ball and the Dynamo is a tremendous ball. But just like Columbia had several years ago with regards to TECball death, it took too long to get the confidence of the bowlers back before they also ran into trouble.

When you don't put out too many balls and you put out a flop, ok lets say a very lane specific ball, then many of those on the fence of throwing Lane 1, currently throwing Lane 1 or may one day throw Lane 1, gets the bad exposure and look elsewhere to buy their next ball.

In all fairness, if many more bowlers threw or just what the Dynamo being thrown by a quality bowler, not pro, but not the 160 bowler, they can see the potential in this ball.

If Lane 1 skipped the Buzzbomb and went right to the Dynamo series, I think the sales would be off the chart and many more bowlers throwing th Dynamo then are throwing the Dynamo now.

Thats why I think the Buzzbomb was a dud and a flop.

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kens101 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 23, 2009, 08:54:01 AM »

Nicanor did not match up to that ball or he received a crap version.This is not the first bad review on this same exact ball from Nicanor on this same forum and even though the horse is dead lets beat it some more.

IDK but I personally loved the crap out of it even though I could only use it on sport shots or polish the crap out of it.

Unfortunately, a family member tore their non bowling arm rotator cuff and borrowed my Buzzbomb right before their surgery and preceeded to shoot their first ever 700 with it. Bye Bye Buzzbomb.

djbigsmooth · « **Reply #17 on:** June 23, 2009, 08:57:16 AM »

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Thank you for the post Don.

Richie had me send my first Buzzbomb sent back to Lane 1 and they weighed it and said it had thumb weight and would just puke. They plugged the ball, layed out the new layout and sent that ball and a brand new Buzzbomb back to me. The customer service is outstanding.

Drilled both the old and the new Buzzbomb as recommended, both balls puked.

I thought I was done with Lane 1 especially after the G-Force solid, but I won the Agent Orange from Buddies pro shop. That is another great ball. But not even the Agent Orange is as versatile as the Dynamo. I would be heartpressed if I find many bowlers who couldn't find a spot in their bag for a Dynamo.

Thanks again,

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

very important questions here, how long was the pin on the buzzbomb, what layout did you use, and what style of bowler are you? speed, rev rate?

when richie plugged your old ball and suggested a new layout, what layout did he suggest?

there are lot of facts or key pieces of information missing from your explanation of why you feel that the buzzbomb was a dud and a flop. please share. perhaps some experienced sawheads can help to change your perception of the ball.

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why does his perception need to change, this is what he saw and believes from throwing this ball...thats the prob with most lane 1 donks, they always try to change someones opinion with BS and voodoo statistics...if nicanor thinks its a dud, then thats his opinion...you or anyone else are not going to change it...
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Edited on 6/22/2009 7:46 PM

steven, bro', i have 2 things to say to you, 1) you are just a little quick and agressive when it comes to bashing Lane #1, no one from Lane #1 or any of the sawheads on this forum bash any other manufacturer. everyone makes good equipment, you just have to find something you match up with.

2) you have a major sugar rush going on, bro', drinking a little too much kool-aid, and popping toooooooo many m&m's. man, chill out.
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Edited on 6/23/2009 9:00 AM

batbowler · « **Reply #18 on:** June 23, 2009, 09:13:21 AM »

I carried a few Lane #1 in my shop and I drilled the Buzzbomb and never matched up to it. I drilled my wife a 13lb and she loved hers until I drilled her a T-Road solid, but I did like the Nebula and Supernova!
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Nicanor · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2009, 09:14:44 AM »

You see, most readers don't read through the post.

The Buzzbomb is a flop because it hurt Lane 1 the company.

Do I believe that their are a lot of bowlers that still carry the Buzzbomb and use it? No.

I it possible that bowlers keep it in thier bag or in their garage for a specific lane condition? Yes, but not a high volume.

I still have both my Buzzbombs.

Did Lane 1 accuse K & K bowling supply of not knowing how to drill Lane 1 bowling balls? Did K & K dump Lane 1 bowling balls after that? Yes. K & K drilled my ball after taking me to their coaching lanes for almost an hour, drilled the Buzzbomb according to the Lane 1 drill sheet, thumb leverage I took the ball home with me, the ball puked and I sent this ball drilled back to Lane 1 and you know the rest.

The Buzzbomb was suppose to have a tremendous back end. Yes? 80 percent of 120. Yes? Nooooooooo. It reads the mid lane too hard or you have to have an oil pattern that is heavier then 95 percent of the bowlers will ever see.

So you market a ball with a backend of 80% of 120 which is 120 of 120, and many bowlers love to see that back end reaction and on a typical THS shot, you are never going to see that back end. The ball pukes. its a dud. It hits like a dud, it doesn't have the promised backend that was marketed as the backend balls of backend balls, and it doesn't and didn't.

Even you guys who defend this ball say they ball was over hyped. If the ball was overhyped and did not live up to its marketing, yet guarenteed through Lane 1 causing many to send thier Buzzbomb back to Lane 1, then the ball was a dud and a flop.

When you tell someone the ball is going to hook the back end, then doesn't, its a dud. When you're expecting a booming back end ball because thats how it was marketed and it pukes for lack of oil, its a dud. When a ball that hurts a company like the Buzzbomb did, its a flop.

Tell me that I don't know how to throw a ball, or I don't know about drillings or ball cover preps. OK, you don't know me. But read you're own responses to this thread. It always stays in my bag, too condition specific, had to polish it highly to make it useable, works great of floods, maybe they overhyped the ball, but its still good on the intended condition.

So they marketed the ball to all those that want a back end monster just to get a ball that puked. You don't think that hurt sales a little?

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Edited on 6/23/2009 9:18 AM

AK47 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2009, 09:20:05 AM »

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I have no idea about the original, as I never owned one. Maybe I'll pick a used one up sometime to see what I think.

What I want to address is the BuzzBomb/R. Since I started drilling for myself, it's one of the four or five best balls I've ever punched. The others would be the Lane #1 Tsunami H20, Roto Grip Mystic, 900Global Break S75, Lane #1 XXXL Starburst and there's about a five-way tie behind that. Probably the Brunswick Sidewinder if I was forced to pick.

Jess

The BB/R is definitely nowhere near a flop, there were about 6 people i saw using this ball as their 1st ball in league with very good results. Saw a female throw her 1st 300 with it, had a hammer guy who bought one and says it's the best ball he has ever thrown... The BB/R is the reason i gave my BUZZ another try, even though i drilled the BB/R lefty label and i'm righty the ball still hits like a truck. So i said same core, so let's try the BUZZ again and i'm glad i did!
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bowlerdawg · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2009, 09:22:12 AM »

your correct nicanor
apologies for not thoroughly reading your post
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bowlerdawg · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2009, 09:48:35 AM »

insert fingers, line up, and ROLL it
simple actually

your more like the gopher in caddy shack, than a bunny.......lol
you troll folk be good now ya' here

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Nicanor · « **Reply #23 on:** June 23, 2009, 10:05:45 AM »

I am not a troll or a Lane 1 basher. This post I generated as a spinn off from this post and the responses to this post:

Got my first Lane#1 ball drill today NIB. The Solid Buzzbomb drilled it thumb leverage and needless to say this ball is a wet noodled WTF? After sum research a lot of people have complained this ball is extremely drill sensitive. Please tell me this is a bad drill cause i hope this brand new ball is not a dud.
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After all the negativity from the Buzzbomb, I'm sure they came up with a great cover for the BBR and it was very user friendly. Then they came out with the Agent Orange pearl at 500 Ablaron Don't know what they were trying to do there, but I won one from Buddies, threw it a while box, too aggressive, took it to 2000 Ablaron and the ball is tremendous.

So now in my arsenal I have:

Dynamo double thumb
Dynamo drilled weaker
Agent Orange
Black Raspberry 3M compound
Hot Sauce/2nd Dimension
Jolt/Neptune/THS

some of these I'm still working with and I have a Megaton I carry for heavier patterns. I know some say the Dynamo is a better oiler, but I'd rather keep my two Dynamos set up for my first and second ball out of the bag. I'm waiting to see what special ball Lane 1 has coming out before I start to fill holes or replace anything.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

livespive · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2009, 10:10:04 AM »

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You see, most readers don't read through the post.

The Buzzbomb is a flop because it hurt Lane 1 the company.

Do I believe that their are a lot of bowlers that still carry the Buzzbomb and use it? No.

I it possible that bowlers keep it in thier bag or in their garage for a specific lane condition? Yes, but not a high volume.

I still have both my Buzzbombs.

Did Lane 1 accuse K & K bowling supply of not knowing how to drill Lane 1 bowling balls? Did K & K dump Lane 1 bowling balls after that? Yes. K & K drilled my ball after taking me to their coaching lanes for almost an hour, drilled the Buzzbomb according to the Lane 1 drill sheet, thumb leverage I took the ball home with me, the ball puked and I sent this ball drilled back to Lane 1 and you know the rest.

The Buzzbomb was suppose to have a tremendous back end. Yes? 80 percent of 120. Yes? Nooooooooo. It reads the mid lane too hard or you have to have an oil pattern that is heavier then 95 percent of the bowlers will ever see.

So you market a ball with a backend of 80% of 120 which is 120 of 120, and many bowlers love to see that back end reaction and on a typical THS shot, you are never going to see that back end. The ball pukes. its a dud. It hits like a dud, it doesn't have the promised backend that was marketed as the backend balls of backend balls, and it doesn't and didn't.

Even you guys who defend this ball say they ball was over hyped. If the ball was overhyped and did not live up to its marketing, yet guarenteed through Lane 1 causing many to send thier Buzzbomb back to Lane 1, then the ball was a dud and a flop.

When you tell someone the ball is going to hook the back end, then doesn't, its a dud. When you're expecting a booming back end ball because thats how it was marketed and it pukes for lack of oil, its a dud. When a ball that hurts a company like the Buzzbomb did, its a flop.

Tell me that I don't know how to throw a ball, or I don't know about drillings or ball cover preps. OK, you don't know me. But read you're own responses to this thread. It always stays in my bag, too condition specific, had to polish it highly to make it useable, works great of floods, maybe they overhyped the ball, but its still good on the intended condition.

So they marketed the ball to all those that want a back end monster just to get a ball that puked. You don't think that hurt sales a little?

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Edited on 6/23/2009 9:18 AM

Question,

I haven't used lane 1 in a while, so bare with me on the ratings.

both the back end, and the hook are based on a 120 scale correct?

The cover is said to handle the heaviest oil.

The backend is 80%, but the hook is 120 or

This would tell me that the thing would hook at my feet.
only in a flood might I get the 80% backend, on a THS it would just burn up at my feet.

That is like trying to use a Midnight Scorcher, AMB Particle, or Orge Particle on a THS, it won't work.

Was this ball marketed as a THS ball or a flood ball?

Just curious.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2009, 10:26:41 AM »

Eric,
How you doing? Haven't seen you since we bowled the Hoinke with other Ballreview bowlers about6 years ago.

If I do the math 80 percent is 66.67 percent of 120. So the Buzzbomb will read the mid lane well, but should save enough energy to have the back end pretty large. Even with a fair amount of oil the Buzzbomb didn't have much of a back end for the THS bowler. Does that mean someone like Pchee2 with this ball polished couldn't get this ball to go gutter to gutter? No. Pchee2 could not find a ball he couldn't throw gutter to gutter.

but for those who read the ball description thought they could get the ball through the heavier oil, get a good mid lane roll and have the ball come off the break point very strong and demolish the pins. Didn't and doesn't happen for the average bowler. Thats why I think if they made a sperate drill sheet for the Buzzbomb and left off all the hype tht the Buzzbomb wouldn't have hurt the company as badly as it did. IMHO.

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livespive · « **Reply #26 on:** June 23, 2009, 11:06:28 AM »

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Eric,
How you doing? Haven't seen you since we bowled the Hoinke with other Ballreview bowlers about6 years ago.

If I do the math 80 percent is 66.67 percent of 120. So the Buzzbomb will read the mid lane well, but should save enough energy to have the back end pretty large. Even with a fair amount of oil the Buzzbomb didn't have much of a back end for the THS bowler. Does that mean someone like Pchee2 with this ball polished couldn't get this ball to go gutter to gutter? No. Pchee2 could not find a ball he couldn't throw gutter to gutter.

but for those who read the ball description thought they could get the ball through the heavier oil, get a good mid lane roll and have the ball come off the break point very strong and demolish the pins. Didn't and doesn't happen for the average bowler. Thats why I think if they made a sperate drill sheet for the Buzzbomb and left off all the hype tht the Buzzbomb wouldn't have hurt the company as badly as it did. IMHO.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Yeah Pchee2 could get an ice cube to go gutter to gutter lol

Doing pretty good there Barry, although I haven't been bowling due to work and my back, but I hope to get back into it. It's been a long time since the Hoinkie.

I would like to see this ball on a flood condition, and thrown against the AMB particle, and Orge Particle, just to see what it would do.

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Nicanor · « **Reply #27 on:** June 23, 2009, 11:15:53 AM »

Eric,

I have the AMB particle and the AMB particle is a much better ball for heavier oil. I think its the best heavy oil to date. Frankie May drilled it for me two years ago at Nationals and I have little use for it because I rarely see enough oil at my center. Last year I bowled at a house during the Summer where the first 3/4 of the game I used the AMB particle and scored well. As soon as we took off some oil, I put it in the bag. but for those first practice frames and 8 frames of the first game, the ball was tremendous. Most other bowlers couldn't wrinkle and the AMB particle made it look like a house shot, but only for a short time.
Hope work keeps you busy and your back heals well enough to get you back on the lanes.

Barry

livespive · « **Reply #28 on:** June 23, 2009, 11:21:00 AM »

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Eric,

I have the AMB particle and the AMB particle is a much better ball for heavier oil. I think its the best heavy oil to date. Frankie May drilled it for me two years ago at Nationals and I have little use for it because I rarely see enough oil at my center. Last year I bowled at a house during the Summer where the first 3/4 of the game I used the AMB particle and scored well. As soon as we took off some oil, I put it in the bag. but for those first practice frames and 8 frames of the first game, the ball was tremendous. Most other bowlers couldn't wrinkle and the AMB particle made it look like a house shot, but only for a short time.
Hope work keeps you busy and your back heals well enough to get you back on the lanes.

Barry

that for the comparison, and the well wishes,

Maybe we will se each other at another get together.
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Gazoo · « **Reply #29 on:** June 24, 2009, 08:31:44 AM »

I don't think the Lane1 faithful have a problem with Nicanor saying the ball puked for him, didn't work for him or even saying it was a dud for him. He seems to be implying that it was all the above for all bowlers which is not the case. While a ball may not work for everybody that aspect doesn't make it a dud. A ball not living up to expectations doesn't make it a dud. One bowler's dud is another bowlers weapon. Was the Buzzbomb a dud, No, was it Flop due to lack of sales yes. Much like the Brunswick Fury CRD spoke of. Know many who thought that ball was one of the better Brunswicks made. Dud, No. Flop, Yes. We need to keep things in a reasonable context.

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Steven · « **Reply #30 on:** June 24, 2009, 09:44:06 AM »

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I don't think the Lane1 faithful have a problem with Nicanor saying the ball puked for him, didn't work for him or even saying it was a dud for him. He seems to be implying that it was all the above for all bowlers which is not the case.

Gazoo: Thank you. Just when you think intelligent life on BR is dying out quickly, someone posts something reasonable. What a concept.

In the 30 games or so of competition where I've used mine, it's been very effective where other oilers being thrown around me were not. It would have gone back in the bag if it wasn't.

I do get that the BuzzBomb wasn't a hit with everyone. And no question that with the OOB cover it's a special purpose oil ball. But to label the ball an overall dud that had Lane#1 running for cover and closing down booths in Vegas is just wrong.
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