Author Topic: My defense in why I think the Buzzbomb was a dud and a flop (not intended to trash Lane 1) (Read 8208 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** June 22, 2009, 08:18:56 AM »

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This is right off the Lane 1 website:

Lane #1 introduces a new force in the bowling industry that outhooks all others. The BuzzBOMB is packed with our all new double sided Doomsday Bomb2 core. This Doomsday double Bomb core generates double the torque, creating double the hook on the backend.
Surrounding this nuclear power plant is our all new Pure GripTM solid reactive coverstock. This new formula grips the lanes on the heaviest oil. You won't believe your eyes when you see this midlane Hook Monster explode with a Huge Backend.
Hear the Buzz, see the Hook, watch your High Scores double with the BuzzBOMB..!!

Attn: Pro Shops

Download your "Crazy-8" Here

Color: Purple/Black
Cover Stock: Pure GripTM solid reactive
Core: Doomsday Bomb2
Hook Rating: 120 out of 120 max
Backend Hook: 80%
Flare Potential: 5+
Pin Placement: 12 OÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ clock 1-5Ã¢â‚¬Â out
15lb rg min: 2.487

15lb rg max: 2.539

15lb diff: .052

Construction: 3-piece
Finish: 1000 Grit Dull
Available Weights: 13, 14, 15, & 16lb.

According to this, the Buzzbomb had good midlane, but the hook rating is 120 out of 120 and the backend was 80 percent. Now that tells me huge backend, not rolling out, not buring up but double the hook on the back end.

When a small company puts out a flop like this, then follows up with the flop pearl, they doubled their mistake even though the BBr was a little more user friendly, they are not on the top of the bowling ball sales. Way too much negative exposure. The Agent Orange is a great ball and the Dynamo is a tremendous ball. But just like Columbia had several years ago with regards to TECball death, it took too long to get the confidence of the bowlers back before they also ran into trouble.

When you don't put out too many balls and you put out a flop, ok lets say a very lane specific ball, then many of those on the fence of throwing Lane 1, currently throwing Lane 1 or may one day throw Lane 1, gets the bad exposure and look elsewhere to buy their next ball.

In all fairness, if many more bowlers threw or just what the Dynamo being thrown by a quality bowler, not pro, but not the 160 bowler, they can see the potential in this ball.

If Lane 1 skipped the Buzzbomb and went right to the Dynamo series, I think the sales would be off the chart and many more bowlers throwing th Dynamo then are throwing the Dynamo now.

Thats why I think the Buzzbomb was a dud and a flop.

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Steven · « **Reply #31 on:** June 24, 2009, 10:11:49 AM »

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I think its safe to say, that for the most part, it didn't live up to the hype given to it. A lot of high expectations for this ball that were never seen or realized except for a few bowlers who found a sweet spot for it as a closet queen for oil.

Inverted: You say your assessment is 'safe to say', but where do you get your quantitative information from? The professional reviews seem to imply it lived up to the hype. Again, Buddies (just one example) said:

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All the claims from the ad were confirmed when I threw this ball. This is definitely the most hook of any Buzzsaw I've thrown.

Why would you assume that the few vocal bowlers on BR who didn't like it reflect real world assessment? Do you have some marketing studies that go into your 'safe to say' conclusions?
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mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 24, 2009, 10:17:52 AM »

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I think its safe to say, that for the most part, it didn't live up to the hype given to it. A lot of high expectations for this ball that were never seen or realized except for a few bowlers who found a sweet spot for it as a closet queen for oil.

Inverted: You say your assessment is 'safe to say', but where do you get your quantitative information from? The professional reviews seem to imply it lived up to the hype. Again, Buddies (just one example) said:

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All the claims from the ad were confirmed when I threw this ball. This is definitely the most hook of any Buzzsaw I've thrown.

Why would you assume that the few vocal bowlers on BR who didn't like it reflect real world assessment? Do you have some marketing studies that go into your 'safe to say' conclusions?
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Do you have any studies that support yours. Your stating things as fact when they are opinion. Lets make sure everything is being portrayed accurately.

Steven · « **Reply #33 on:** June 24, 2009, 10:27:42 AM »

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Do you have any studies that support yours. Your stating things as fact when they are opinion. Lets make sure everything is being portrayed accurately.

We go with what we have. There are reviews from respected professional reviewers (I presented just one) that suggest the BuzzBomb lives up to it's billing.

That seems to be more than what others are presenting. What isn't being portrayed accurately? Do you have some information you're holding up your sleeve until just the right moment?

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Dannymo23 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 24, 2009, 10:44:02 AM »

The ball was made for oil, not to be played on a THS. There are other balls in the lineup for a THS.

Tateman · « **Reply #35 on:** June 24, 2009, 11:17:39 AM »

I remember when you originally posted your thread Nicanor.

The first Buzzbomb I got at Nationals, the CG ended up not being marked correctly. The Ball rolled ok for me, but Beans said he would replace the ball if I wanted. So I did.

At first, the ball did seemed very lane specific. I don't know if it was just me getting use to the ball or what. Now I use it a lot. A lot of times I switch to the Buzzbomb if I am moving far inside.

I do remember quite a few people having issues with the ball. So it may have been a flop for Lane#1. There probably are some people that got a decent ball, and there are some that got duds. Much like I was hearing with some of the first Fury balls.
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mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 24, 2009, 12:42:27 PM »

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Do you have any studies that support yours. Your stating things as fact when they are opinion. Lets make sure everything is being portrayed accurately.

We go with what we have. There are reviews from respected professional reviewers (I presented just one) that suggest the BuzzBomb lives up to it's billing.

That seems to be more than what others are presenting. What isn't being portrayed accurately? Do you have some information you're holding up your sleeve until just the right moment?

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Not at all just playing Devils Advocate. You want docs to support the opposing side of the debate (other than the original poster of this topic) but you don't really have "sufficient" evidence to support your side other than your opinion. Don't get me wrong you have tons of useful knowledge well beyond me. I'm just simply saying you are using your opinion as fact.

Steven · « **Reply #37 on:** June 24, 2009, 12:58:08 PM »

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I'm just simply saying you are using your opinion as fact.

Well, I'm not sure I stated anything as fact. When it comes to bowling, I don't know that you can ever completely get out of the realm of opinion. All we can do is look at the evidence that surrounds opinion, and try to make informed evaluations.

The BB reviews by testers in the industry (that I can find) are positive. My own experience with the ball has been positive. Those around me who have the BB are generally doing well it, both OOB and polished. I look at that as a positive.

If this a supposedly a ball that has tarnished Lane#1 and is a primary cause for Lane#1 abandoning their booth this year, I'd like to see a little more evidence than a few posters here on BR not matching up to it.
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don coyote · « **Reply #38 on:** June 24, 2009, 01:01:46 PM »

OK, I have to ask. Were there "defective" Buzzbombs?
I ask because my team mate had a truly "defective" Fury, and Brunswick replaced the ball with a new Fury and the teammate loved it. He even drilled it the same as the "defective" Fury.
Did Brunswick pour the Buzzbomb?
If not, who did?
My Buzzbomb does NOT work as advertised on heavy oil.
I have 4 other balls that work better on heavier oil.
This is NOT a knock on the Buzzbomb.
I am a average revs guy. I DO use the ball on a THS. Second or third game at 1000 abralon, or at the start of league at 500 abralon. I have a Yeah Baby I like to use at the start of league that I keep at 1000 abralon, that I can use all night.
I like the Supernova XP, Cherry bomb, and the XXXL, with some success with my silver bullet. My Cherry bomb was pretty rough and sold. I MISS THAT BALL!!!
I look forward to your comments, and answers to the questions raised. don

mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 24, 2009, 01:59:12 PM »

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I'm just simply saying you are using your opinion as fact.

Well, I'm not sure I stated anything as fact. When it comes to bowling, I don't know that you can ever completely get out of the realm of opinion. All we can do is look at the evidence that surrounds opinion, and try to make informed evaluations.

The BB reviews by testers in the industry (that I can find) are positive. My own experience with the ball has been positive. Those around me who have the BB are generally doing well it, both OOB and polished. I look at that as a positive.

If this a supposedly a ball that has tarnished Lane#1 and is a primary cause for Lane#1 abandoning their booth this year, I'd like to see a little more evidence than a few posters here on BR not matching up to it.
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I know i would not review a ball if i were going to give it a bad review.(why waste the time) That leaves you with alot of Die Hard Lane 1 users who would never dare say anything negative about the Diamond, or possibly members who recieve compensation for their review. I am not saying it is a flop I am just saying provide sufficient docs if you expect us to. Again the way you consistently make statements they are portrayed as fact when they are nothing more than your opinion. It could just be the way you type it but if you have nothing more to support your opinion than die hards it is not fact.

Nicanor · « **Reply #40 on:** June 24, 2009, 02:02:55 PM »

I started the other post about the Buzzbomb Hybrid for a reason. To help prove my point that the Buzzbomb was a bust. They had a Buzzbomb Hybrid test ball and I know that not every test ball is manufactured, but the Buzzbomb was a flop and I'm sure they realized there would be little interest in another Buzzbomb ball. So now they have a Dynamo Hybrid which makes a lot of sense because the original Dynamo lived up to its marketing for a majority of the buyers unlike the buyers of the Buzzbomb.

With all the Buzzbombs sent back to Lane 1 and the bust for their marketing of the Buzzbomb, the Buzzbomb was a flop and a dud.

If you can tell me a majority of the Buzzbomb buyers were happy with their Buzzbombs and a majority of the buyers believes the ball lived up to its marketing of being the hook monster of all hook monsters, GUARANTEED, then I think you're not being fair to yourself or the other readers on this forum.

By the standards that Lane 1 set for itself, not what I set out for the ball, the ball was a dud. Did some bowlers find a spot for the Buzzbomb in their bag, sure, but even a majority of them use it as a specific condition ball.

If the Buzzbomb lived up to its hype and reviewer after reviewer raved about the Buzzbomb, you would have seen tons of Buzzbombs out there and the Buzzbombr and Agent Oranges would have put Lane 1 on top and they would have had them eligeble for PBA and they would have had a booth at Nationals. But sine the Buzzbomb was a flop and the sales for the Buzzbomb R and Agent Orange was poor due to the Buzzbomb, Lane 1 didn't have much to sell at Nationals. IMHO.

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Gazoo · « **Reply #41 on:** June 24, 2009, 02:46:15 PM »

Nic,
I agree that the Buzzbomb was a flop from a marketing standpoint and not living up to billing. I just don't think a ball can be call "dud" because a percentage of users(what ever that is) don't like the ball or what it does. As long as there are bowlers using a ball effectively, which there certainly are for the Buzzbomb it can't be a dud. Just like the Fury of old. For a ball to be a "dud" it would have to be completely inaffective for everybody. Bust/Flop Yes, Dud No.

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Steven · « **Reply #42 on:** June 24, 2009, 04:03:53 PM »

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Did you read these posts? These are actual users that I'm drawing this conclusion from as well as my own experience.

Yes, I read all the posts. I acknowledged that the BB has not worked well for some users. The Bomb core is not for everyone. I get that. But there is usually the other side coin. I point out real testers (I know, they must be in someone's pocket) and then there are bowlers like myself (I know, just more kool-aid drinking sawheads) who report great performance. Do you read or acknowledge these??

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but even you don't use it as an everyday ball on use it only on certain conditions.

You're correct -- I maintain it as a condition specific ball I keep around for those 4-6 times a year I see real heavy volumes. I keep it at 800 grit, no polish, just for that purpose. And the point is?? Don't most of us have balls we keep around for more soup? Is your EPX bad because you can almost never use it?

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As far as not living up to the hype..Steven..these are your own people telling you this...

"My own people"....LOL. What does that mean? I hear a handful of people stating that for them, the BuzzBomb is a dud, and it must therefore be an overall dud for most bowlers. Earlier, you said it was 'safe to say' the BuzzBomb didn't live up to the hype. Again I ask if that's your assessment for most all bowlers, where are you getting the info for the conclusion?

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Denial is not just a river in Egypt..

Denial...My denial is that it must be an overall dud because some users on Ballreviews didn't find success with it. I'm still looking for a little more real information before swallowing that it has brought Lane#1 down to it's knees.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #43 on:** June 24, 2009, 04:11:36 PM »

If I read about this ball that has 80 out 120 of 120 backend and I'm haviing problems hooking the ball or I want the ball to save some energy and have a big backend to help kick out the 10 pin, then by reading the advertisement for the Buzzbomb is exactly what I'm looking for.

So I but the ball from a well known pro shop in Vegas, they even watch me bowl for an hour, pull the Buzzbomb ou of the boxand put a thumbs leverage drilling on the ball right off the ball drilling sheet. I track medium/low so a pin below the finger line is usually good for me.

Now I go home with my hook monster, mostly in the back end pull it out for shadow at league and the ball doesn't do anything. So I turn to the pro shop person on my team who has bowled with me for several years and I ask him to watch me throw the ball. He does and when i get back, he tells me the ball never read the lane.

So I know Ron Clifton is coming into town and by this time I had sent my ball back to Lane 1, they said the drilling ws no good, plugged the ball sent me a second one for free (great customer service)and directions how to drill the ball. So I do and Ron Clifton comes to town and for four days on and off I tried to use both Buzzbombs with no luck. The ball just did not read the lane.

So is this ball a dud. I would have to day yes. I have rea many other reviews about the Buzzbomb a lot with the same problem. I have read reviews from avid Lane 1 sawheads say this is a great ball and though they can hardly use it, when thy can, its a great ball.

The ball is a dud and really hurt Lane 1 as a company.

If the ball lived up to its hype, you would have seen the Buzzbomb in many centers and on my racks.

The ball was a bust for the purpose it was marketed. Spin it any way you want.

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ToiletLogCore · « **Reply #44 on:** June 24, 2009, 04:31:12 PM »

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I'm still looking for a little more real information before swallowing that it has brought Lane#1 down to it's knees.

From what I've heard you're always on your knees swallowing stuff from Lane#1.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #45 on:** June 24, 2009, 04:51:38 PM »

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The ball is a dud and really hurt Lane 1 as a company.

Nic, as to whether the ball was a dud or not, I can't say as I never had one nor threw one. All I know is that some people like yourself and Inverted didn't match up to it and claim it to be a dud. Others say it wasn't and it worked for them, so it appears the bottom line is that either you matched up to it and the conditions you bowled on or you didn't.

As for it hurting Lane 1 as a company, that is only your personal oponion. Did Brunswick duds such as the original Fury, Radical Inferno, Ultimate Inferno Remake, Impulse Zone and others hurt Brunswick?...The answer is NO and neither did the Buzzbomb hurt Lane 1.

I understand your bitterness about the ball and feeling that you got burned on it as I too have had balls from companies that I felt were duds and felt burned also such as the Impulse Zone from Brunswick, Rapid Fire from Storm, all 4 Legends/Lanemaster balls I bought, Track Contender & Xception 5.0, AMF Bone, and etc. but in reality, I simply did not match up to those balls. The bottom line is .... it happens sometimes.

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Author Topic: My defense in why I think the Buzzbomb was a dud and a flop (not intended to trash Lane 1) (Read 8208 times)

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