Author Topic: Super Carbide Bomb (Read 5517 times)

Mr Buzzsaw · « **on:** August 24, 2005, 02:23:20 AM »

First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for their support on this matter.

It was our understanding, as well as all other manufacturers, that if a ball was approved before Feb. 1st, 2005 that the ball was grandfathered in and can be released and sold at a later date.

The USBC did not say that production must stop on Feb. 1st for all balls with a diff. higher than .060., that were approved before Feb. 1st. This ruling was for new releases approved after Feb. 1st.

If a ball was re-released, it must be re-submitted for clearance, with a significant change in the color or a name change.

Because our Super Carbide Bomb ball has never been discontinued, as it's remained in our catalog for sale since it's release in 2002, it's not a re-release.

Polishing the coverstock has not been reason for manufacturers to re-submit balls for clearance, as any pro shop can alter the factory box finish.

Therefore, it was our understanding, as well as Brunswick's and all other manufacturers, that the ball was grandfathered in, meanig it can still be produced and sold.

One of the USBC's reps failed to fully understand the USBC's grandfather ruling and over zealously put our ball on the USBC "not approved ball" list.

I have been in contact with the Roger Dalkin, the USBC CEO, to clear up this matter. I will be sending him proof that the ball was never discontinued or taken out of our catalog, which should result in the re-instatement of the Super Carbide Bomb on the "approved ball list".

Please be patient and sorry for any inconvenience. Thank you.

Richie Sposato
President/CEO
Lane #1

shelley · « **Reply #16 on:** August 24, 2005, 04:02:19 PM »

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And if say they DID re-release a ball before 2008 with a differential that was illegal, would they both (the new AND old release) be made illegal immediately? I would guess so because it would be hard to tell the difference between the original and remake.

The original post says that if a ball is really re-released (like the new Track Heat) then it must be distinguishable from the original. The re-release, whether it's truly the same as the original, core- and cover-wise, or not (i.e., the new Nitros) must meet the new specs at the time of re-release. Since the (proposed) re-release is distinguishable from the original, the original remains legal.

As I interpret it, one of the reasons the old one was banned was because there's no distinguishing between the new and old save the cover prep, which can easily be changed. Since there would be no way to distinguish a legal ball from an illegal one, they were both banned. Nevermind that the ban itself was a mistake.

So if a ball like the SD-73, which has legitimately been discontinued, were re-released, it would have to meet the current standards. It doesn't, the diff is too high, and so it would be disallowed. The old ones would be legal, however. Roto-grip would have to make the new ball distinguishable from the old if they were intent on releasing it even without approval.

But the SCB was not a re-release. It's still on the books as currently available. In effect, it's simply an option as to the factory finish. Richie essentially makes that point ("Polishing the coverstock has not been reason for manufacturers to re-submit balls for clearance..."). The BCB, which I believe is discontinued, could not be re-released and still be approved.

SH

Edited on 8/24/2005 4:00 PM

Sawuser · « **Reply #17 on:** August 24, 2005, 04:15:43 PM »

The first time I have ever agreed with Shelley. I Think!
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Saw Mill · « **Reply #18 on:** August 24, 2005, 06:15:28 PM »

Thanks Richie, and I too spoke with Chuck today, and was assured that the SCB (dull or polished) were good to go, as they are the same ball, just one is "factory" polished rather than pro shop polished. I left 2 really strong toned messages with the USBC, and told them that if this were not corrected, that they cared NOTHING about the bowlers that support them. They are just a body of rules, and are here for us. Without the bowlers there is no USBC, therefore they need to realize that, and put the best interests of us (not their egos) at the front.

Dave
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #19 on:** August 24, 2005, 06:25:30 PM »

Thanks for update Mr. Buzzsaw!

Glad to know we are in such direct contact with the Boss!
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Jon (in Ohio)
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Triple X · « **Reply #20 on:** August 24, 2005, 11:52:32 PM »

Whew!!!That was a close call. Mr Buzzsaw on the rescue including the FOS Crew. Thanks everyone...

United we stand & we will prevail...

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Triple X

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