Post by: Nicanor on January 18, 2010, 09:43:15 AM
I drilled the ball with the pin next to my ring finger CG 3 inches down. My PAP is 4 7/8 and 5/8 up measured on a plastic ball. Want to get the ball a little further, retain some energy read the mid lane a little and still have a strong move off the break point. Asking too much?
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Post by: srlunatic on January 18, 2010, 05:47:37 PM
How about something like 6 X 5? Drilled up a few of these layouts on strong balls and works on getting the ball down the lane with energy available for the backend. A nice touch of polish (ebonite 5000 perhaps) on top would make sure you would get some length on it.
Dual angle...maybe something like 80 X 5 1/2 X 45?? Hopefully would give length and a sharp move off the spot...
Not sure will get the look you are looking for with such a strong ball but think this gives you a shot at it..
Hope this helps!
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 18, 2010, 06:27:40 PM
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Post by: Roy Munson on January 18, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
Mine burned up at 2k Abralon.
Changed it to 4k the polished with secret sauce and
it works very well.
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 18, 2010, 09:21:04 PM
Prior to drilling my RD, I questioned what drill for more length and a stronger back-end and he said I could try 35* x 4" x 60*, but I decided not to go that direction, so that is something you might look at.
However, before redrilling your ball, I would first try a surface change as Roy Munson suggested, if you haven''t already done so.
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Edited on 1/18/2010 10:24 PM
Post by: Nicanor on January 19, 2010, 09:15:18 AM
I don't quite understand the dual angle measurements that you recommended, i just understand the pin distances and CG/MB distances.
Thanks again,
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Post by: Roy Munson on January 19, 2010, 10:14:01 AM
RPM?
The reaction you look for?
Below is from Mo Pinel drilling suggestion for Medium track bowlers
Fast Revving - Firm Breakpoint?
. . . For most players on most conditions
Strong Midlane - Heavy Forward Roll?
. . . Speed dominant players and/or for heavier oil volumes
Control - Smooth Continuous Hook?
. . . Rev dominant players and/or for lighter oil volumes
Strong Backend?
Late Breakpoint?
Edited on 1/19/2010 11:19 AM
Post by: Roy Munson on January 19, 2010, 10:24:32 AM
http://www.morichbowling.com/Drilling/DualAngleSeminar/DualAngleSeminar.htm
Post by: Nicanor on January 19, 2010, 11:19:18 AM
My speed is about 17 and rev rate about 350.
Thanks again,
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Post by: Roy Munson on January 19, 2010, 12:26:37 PM
http://www.morichbowling.com/Drilling/BowlingBallDrilling.htm
Mine is currently drilled at 30* x 5.5" x 30*
Mo's suggestion for me - low track player was 30* x 4 x 30*
but as I layed it out, the pin ends up very close to my ring finger
so I opted to 5.5". This basically puts the pin above bridge about 1"
At 4k Abralon - it hooks too much on fresh THS
I then polished it with secret sauce and now
I can use it on our league all three games - using the line 13 board out to 6-7
just moving 2-3 board in stance.
Post by: T-GOD on January 19, 2010, 03:16:24 PM
Post by: LotsaBalls on January 19, 2010, 03:26:06 PM
quote:
Nic, swing the CG out towards/to your axis and place a hole 10" from the center of your grip, ending with 7/8 side. This will give you better length and a strong backend. =:^D
and a nice rumble as it flares over the weight hole. You guys and your side weight.
Post by: OddBalls on January 19, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
quote:quote:
Nic, swing the CG out towards/to your axis and place a hole 10" from the center of your grip, ending with 7/8 side. This will give you better length and a strong backend. =:^D
and a nice rumble as it flares over the weight hole. You guys and your side weight.
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Lets call the static weight gurus "weightists"
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Post by: Roy Munson on January 19, 2010, 04:11:25 PM
If you need a late break point, as Mo suggested, try
80* x 3" x 45*
Post by: Hammer 2005 on January 19, 2010, 04:27:12 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 19, 2010, 07:15:39 PM
I finally got to throw my Red Death today which is drilled dual angle drilling of 45* x 4" x 50* with Pin drilled out in RF, on some decent lane conditions with some oil in the heads and this ball hit/carried as well as any brand of ball I have ever had. It got good length and was really strong and quick on the back end and always made it back to the pocket even when I threw it wider than I intended to.
I have never been a move left and throw wide to the right style of bowler nor able to do that, but I did today ending up moving my feet 10 boards more left than I have ever been able to do. My all time favorite Lane 1 ball was the Solid Cobalt Bomb and this Red Death is like that Solid Cobalt Bomb on steroids.
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Post by: srlunatic on January 19, 2010, 08:36:10 PM
A quick Dual Angle Info package for you..:-)
First angle is Drill Angle...
This angle is the angle between the Pin and your PAP. This angle is created by drawing a line on a Assym ball From the Pin to the MB. On a symmetrical ball is from drawing a line from your pin through the CG to 6 3/4 inches (where the MB should be). Then you measure the angle with a Pro Sect and then draw the line to the second number in the Dual Angle Layout.
Example: in my earlier post went 80 X 5 1/2 X 45
The 80 is the angle between the line from your pin through CG or MB and the line from your pin to your PAP. The 5 1/2 is the distance of the line from the Pin to your PAP (give you a 5 1/2 Pin to PAP distance). The larger the first angle, the longer down the lane we are trying to push the reaction.
Second Angle (in the case above is 45) is created by using the PIN to PAP line and then measuring a 45 degree angle using the PRO SECT and drawing this line. This is the PIN to VAL (Vertical Axis Line). The smaller the angle, the closer your PIN is to the VAL and the sharper the reaction. The larger the angle the farther the PIN from the VAL and the more arcy the reaction.
So...to find the layout. From the Line from PIN TO PAP at 5 1/2 inches you move up or down the VAL line *in this case you would move 5/8 down the VAL line* and then you draw a line from there perpendicular to the VAL 4 and 7/8 (your right/left PAP measurement). That is the Center of Grip for your layout.
Hopefully this makes sense!!
Mike
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Post by: T-GOD on January 19, 2010, 09:34:50 PM
Try it, I'm positive you'll like it. If not, that's ok too. I'm just giving you good info. It's up to you if you want to use it or not. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it. =:^D
Post by: Nicanor on January 21, 2010, 09:27:32 AM
He did recommend to wait until after Nationals because it might be a good ball to take there drilled as is.
Thanks again,
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