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C-G ProShop-Carl

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Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« on: December 18, 2003, 08:13:17 AM »
OK, I have only had a few Lane 1 balls.......XXXL and the Blue Berry.

I love the XXXL for the desert. I do not think there is a better ball for that condition. But I will almost never see enough dry to use it.

I have had 2 Blue Berries. The ball hits well, but does not hook much at all. Infact, currently the only ball I have that hooks less than the Blue Berry(drilled 4x3.5) is the MoRich Pioneer, and that ball is laid out to go dead straight. So needless to say I am very disappointed.

This is only a mini review. I will post again after a few more games. My Hex Darkside covers about 4 boards more than this ball does so far. I want to get a little bit of a track in the ball and I will see then what I really think of it.

The overall purpose for this post is to say that if this ball does not turn around in performance quickly it is going to keep me from getting the Black Cherry Bomb that I want.

So please, give me a reason I should not give up on Lane right now. ALSO----as stated, I am seriously considering the Black Cherry, but would the Golden Nugget be the better bet for me?

Thanks for reading this
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2003, 11:22:51 PM »
Are you strictly counting boards? Because the ball just might be rolling out. Had the same kind of thing happen tonight with my Deuce - it looked like it was going straight.
After I left an 8-10, I switched to my much tamer Smash/R - and it hooked up great.
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2003, 11:38:12 PM »
I have a Pink Raspberry C2 that never did much for me.  Took four drillings and some help from A_P_K before I found a layout that worked for me.  The layout that worked was a CG out type.
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2003, 11:52:26 PM »
It was definately not rolling out. It just did not have the punch on the backend (and they were fresh) that any other ball I threw did. It simply skated too far, on a 38ft pattern.

If my Phenom Unleashed didn't roll out, the Blue Berry wouldn't. It was going and turning, but it was turning too late.

More than anything it just seemed very sensitive to oil. Even more so than the Hex Darkside.

As I stated above, this was only a mini review, I will post back again after getting some more games on the ball. So far though, it is a huge disappointment. I will not give up on it though.
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2003, 12:34:22 AM »
Ex,

The Powerkoil 18 coverstock is one of the most adjustable coverstocks ever seen. Feel free to tweak it as you wish.

Also, I'm not sure what kind of a reaction you're expecting, but a hook monster this ball is not, nor is it skid snap. For all intensive purposes the BB is one of the weaker reactives you could have on the rack nowdays. Consider PK18 is like 4 or 5 years old now, that's ancient history these days. HOWEVER, that being said, I find it to be INCREDIBLY predictable & easy to read.

Finally, if you're trying to use a BB on the same oil conditions that you can use the Phenom unleashed, then I think you've got some misconceptions about what kind of condition the BB is for. I personally don't pull out my pink raspberry (predecessor to the BB) until i'm well out of my comfort zone with a particle. Either that, or when there's a flooded or spotty condition that I'm looking to play around the outside of. Then the Pink Razz is great with a bit of a shine, right up the twig.

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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2003, 12:39:44 AM »
My Blueberry is drilled 4 1/2 x 3 1/2 with Pin under ring finger and at edge of bridge. I don't have any trouble getting it to hook. (unless there is heavy oil)
My problem is carrying the 10 PIN. The ball seems to have a nice looking hook, but doesn't seem to have the power (energy?) when it hits the pocket like my Emerald does. When my Emerald hits, it HITS with scouts flying every where. It is drilled 4 x 3 3/4 with Pin beside ring finger and CG kicked out 1" from center of grip.
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2003, 01:14:32 AM »
With the Blue Berry I was standing on 20 playing 12 out to 8. I moved my feet over to 28 with the Unleashed.

By no means was I trying to play the same line with those 2. WHen I tried standing 20 with the Hex Darkside I had to move my feet 4 boards left.
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2003, 02:50:55 AM »
My BB is drilled Lane 1 specs for a 7 length 10 reaction, I believe its called a Label 130 drilling?  Also I have a small weight hole to get it to turn into its roll alittle sooner.

It was my first Lane 1 ball, and the hit is increable. I took it down to 600 grit and used an 800 grit compound and some Hook It on the coverstock. I set it up this way, so that I could play alittle carry down with it, when my Cherry Bomb started to skate in the carrydown.

Since this was my first ball though, I also used it highly polished, factory finish, ect, ect.

This ball will not cover a ton of boards(not that I cover a ton anyways) but it will hook enough. The ball will read the same, shot to shot, and never squirts, if I could only hit the same mark twice.

When the CherryBomb starts skid, by BlueBerry will read the midlane and make a strong move to the pocket, actually outhooking the C.B. because of the midlane read, and then cover more boards on the back. However in a fresh shot, the B.B. will roll the same.

The hitting power isn't an explosive as the CherryBomb either, but it carrys ANY light hit I have. Its amazing, I throw it way out, it skids, moves, hits light and mix's all the pins.

And the coverstock is super super adjustable. Try a high polish and move to the outside, or scruff it up and play the middle.

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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2003, 02:55:51 AM »
Almost forgot, my dad has a the same layout as me, although he is a low tracker with a few more revs then myself, and he throw a wide arcing hook with this ball and it always comes back.

The other day, Icem and myself where bowling the worst flood of the century. The lanes had so much oil that I saw Noah's Ark around the 10 board Anyway's, cranker Icem couldn't get his Super Carbine to grip at all, it would just skid.

The particle ball I brought along wouldn't bite at all(Hammer Vicous Particle), so I threw all the balls I had and the only one that hooked in the flooded back end at all was the blueberry. I have no idea why, so don't ask.

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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2003, 05:08:22 AM »
Excal,

Given the Blueberry's low flaring core and highly polished coverstock (PK 18 cover notwithstanding) and given your fairly high speed, unless you drilled the ball something like 4x2 or even 4x1, with the pin under or even with the bridge, you are going to get very little relative backend out of this ball. For you, I suspect it will be a medium-light oil to maybe medium oil ball.

However, I am very surprised that the Darkside is hooking more than the Blueberry.

Before re-drilling, I'd suggest a light application of a grey or green nylon pad to the surface of the BB.

FYI The Black Cherry Bomb is a whole lot stronger than the BB, but mine is drilled 5x4 and I had to sand it to a Track-like 1500 grit and leave it dull to get a desired reaction. Polished, it was too skid/flippy. (even sanded 600 and lightly polished, it was too skid/flippy.)
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2003, 09:01:54 AM »
Ex, maybe you're expecting too much from the Blueberry. This is probably the most versatile ball, very controlable with great hit. Cover adjustments are no problem.

But, if you want a monster ball, the Golden Nugget is the one. =:^D

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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2003, 09:12:57 AM »
the other guys posting suggestions here are alot smarter than i am, but my blueberry went from gathering dust to the top of my list when i sanded the surface.  i would suggest a final sanding around 1000 to 1500 or a light scotch brite pad.  the powerkoil 18 coverstock is still the best overall coverstock out there.  try tweaking the cover before you give up!!!
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2003, 02:00:49 PM »
I should have stated that I already tried it after using a light grey scotchbrite (800grit). That is where it was when the Darkside still out hooked it by 4 boards.

See, here is the situation, I bought a 15lb blue berry from a fellow ballreviewer, and it was just too light so I traded it for this blue berry.

I think I may contact the other user and see if he had done anything with the cover on the 15lb ball because it hooked much more in the backend.

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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2003, 02:41:04 PM »
Excal, unless the oil is way too light for an 800 grit PK 18 cover ...

An 800 grit PK 18 is a pretty strong ball. Could it be burning itself up early, even with your speed?? I really don't know (too far for me to see. ) but it looks like a distinct possbility.
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Re: Not happy so far.........this could deter me
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2003, 01:17:43 AM »
It definately was not burning up.

It was just going too long before turning the corner.

Like I have said, I am going to give it a few more tries, until then I really will not make a decision on how I feel about the ball.

All of this with the Blue Berry is making me a little skeptical about getting a Black Cherry or Golden Nugget though.

Can anyone give me any info on those and how they should react compared to the Blue Berry?
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