Author Topic: Not seeing too much talk of the Carbide Plus (Read 1834 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** May 22, 2006, 01:13:09 AM »

I threw the carbide Plus for the first time while pot bowling on Sunday and I was pleasantly surprised. here is a fair amoun of oil on these lanes Sunday morning but I wouldn't call it heavy oil. The carbide plus played down and in tremendously and really showed its potenial when I was able to swing the ball.

I got tired of the skid flip balls that Lane 1 wa releasing like the Cobalt and the EU. The Carbide Plus reads the lane and break point very well for a particle ball and the carry was phemonemal (sp). This ball would not work well on drier lane conditions but thats what I have the H20 for and the Tsunami for medium with clean back ends.

The ball was drilled 3 3/8 stacked. I also threw the HDB alternating with the Carbide Plus after pot bowling. The Carbide Plus allowed me to open the lane more, but in comparison, the HDB more controllable but could not recover as well compared to the Carbide Plus.

Just my opinion. Wondering why I haven't seen more conversation about the Carbide Plus.

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Retroman · « **Reply #1 on:** May 22, 2006, 10:22:50 AM »

Nicanor, My thinking on this is that it just came out, And its end of winter league season for most that is why there is not more reviews on the carbide plus, Plus, Particle scares off a lot of people, Need a good amount of oil to be useful, But i agree with you its great to see another c/2 core.

Myself personally, I am awaiting the next reactive from lane 1, Looks like lane1 is going pearl,particle then solid reactive in there releases of new equipment.
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cnimsk · « **Reply #2 on:** May 22, 2006, 12:49:25 PM »

Winter leagues are over. Many people don't bowl in the summer. Those that do are often one ball bowlers. This is the season when pro shops often sell more of the lower priced stuff then the high or medium end. At least until Bowl Expo. After that, then ball enthusiasts begin getting their wallets out.

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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #3 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:32:04 PM »

Having trouble with mine...possibly bad drilling selection.
After I get that resolved, I will give some input.
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Sawuser · « **Reply #4 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:51:50 PM »

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Buzzsaws are too freaking expensive thats why you havent heard too much about them.
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MegaMav · « **Reply #5 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:56:28 PM »

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Buzzsaws are too freaking expensive thats why you havent heard too much about them.

...and we digress..

Retroman · « **Reply #6 on:** May 22, 2006, 09:03:08 PM »

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Buzzsaws are too freaking expensive thats why you havent heard too much about them.
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rolleyes........Here we go again about Lane 1 being expensive....

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Nicanor · « **Reply #7 on:** May 22, 2006, 09:52:30 PM »

I don't get it about lane 1 cost. I use almost all Lane 1 equipment but I wanted something for heavier oil, so I ordered a Passion. $265 plus taxes. The Carbide Plus was $179 including shipping and $32 to drill. I think overall lane 1 is a little more expensive then other compaines premium bowling balls, but not quite as much as Elite and comparable to Lanemasters/Legends. When Quantum was around, they were priced far higher for that time frame then Lane 1.

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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2006, 08:07:43 AM »

Lane 1 seems to do it every year...bring out a great ball right at the end of the season when nobody is buying :-(

The last 2 releases from L-1 have been their best IMO....the Cobalt is awesome on anything from medium light to medium heavy as long as there is a little bit of dry somewhere. The C+ can handle anything on the heavier side of medium while being able to cover carrydown conditions as well.

One big issue I see is that the minute people hear "particle cover" they start talking stacked leverage drillings and wanting monster hook. This ball in particular has all of the makins of a fantastic all around ball if you use your head on the drilling. Sure if you go 3-3/8 stacked or 4x3 the ball is going to hook up and rip racks but it will also be limited to heavier conditions.

Put a 5x4 or 5x5 drilling on this beast and you get a ball that you can play straighter, won't squirt at the breakpoint and will also recover well if you swing it out. Add to those attributes a bowler who can effectively change hand position and you have a ball that can be played all night....

I didn't even bother to make a push on this ball this time since I know I can use my intro offer in the fall to sell more balls and also make some more profit...it's going to be that good of a seller...trust me...
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Retroman · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2006, 08:17:09 AM »

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As for the Carbide "buzz" (no pun intended, well ok yes it was), I am a bit surprsied too...it seems like the push behind the Cobalt was that it was the second coming of the Danger Zone or Blue Hammer, whereas this ball has been more like hey, we have a new ball, here it is, come and get it.

I think a happy medium would be more tolerable to me, but then I own 0 Lane #1 balls, plan to only have 1 (Red XXXL), so I'm not the target market
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Unless you have thrown the Cobalt it is the 2nd coming, I don't know if i would go as far as puting it in the Danger Zone category but this is and is going to be one of lane 1's best balls out in a long time, Like everthing else in life it is about timing, And the Carbide plus just happens to get released at the end of winter league season, Which i think that the majority of bowlers participate in, So i am guessing that this has all to do with the lack of reviews.

Bowlers are not going to make a big investment to let a ball sit in there bag or locker over the summer waiting for fall leagues.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2006, 08:50:12 AM »

Twoheadedboy,

You are corrct, I was comparing apples and oranges. The 265 was pro shop prices, I tried to support my local pro shop that drills all my bowling balls. If you add on shipping from Buddies or any internet selling at 160 plus shipping the price is very close to the Alne 1 bowling balls including shipping.

I'm not bashing any company or trying to start a discussion about how Lane 1 compars to other companies, I know there are bowling ball companies that have bowling balls priced significantly lower and Lane 1 is not for everyone or maybe most. I didn't care for the Cobalt or the EU but I like he Uranium solid, HDB, Tsunami and the H2O. But maybe this summer I will re-drill the Cobalt and the EU.

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Roy Munson · « **Reply #11 on:** May 23, 2006, 09:04:51 AM »

Nicanor,

I never paid over $200 on Lane #1 balls that I owned.
The last balls I bought were 4 Cobalts, paid $155 each shipped
and I live here in the west coast, $35 for drilling with thumb slugs and finger inserts per ball.

It takes just a little shopping around to find great prices.

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GTX · « **Reply #12 on:** May 23, 2006, 09:05:44 AM »

I got mine yesterday and have it drilled stacked as in the sheet 3" pin with 2.5 topweight

lane condition was thick x-mas tree with outside boards being little wet .. started the first game playing down-n-in .. end of first game I had to start swing the ball and in the 2nd game I had to play a wider swing shot. By the 3rd game I had to switch to the EU as the lane started to dry out and did not want to play a very wide swing shot.

ended up with 238 - 245 - 222

the Carbide+ is very predictable on the lane .. and yes, this ball needs oil, lotsa oil

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Retroman · « **Reply #13 on:** May 23, 2006, 09:33:48 AM »

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Lane 1 seems to do it every year...bring out a great ball right at the end of the season when nobody is buying :-(

The last 2 releases from L-1 have been their best IMO....the Cobalt is awesome on anything from medium light to medium heavy as long as there is a little bit of dry somewhere. The C+ can handle anything on the heavier side of medium while being able to cover carrydown conditions as well.

One big issue I see is that the minute people hear "particle cover" they start talking stacked leverage drillings and wanting monster hook. This ball in particular has all of the makins of a fantastic all around ball if you use your head on the drilling. Sure if you go 3-3/8 stacked or 4x3 the ball is going to hook up and rip racks but it will also be limited to heavier conditions.

Put a 5x4 or 5x5 drilling on this beast and you get a ball that you can play straighter, won't squirt at the breakpoint and will also recover well if you swing it out. Add to those attributes a bowler who can effectively change hand position and you have a ball that can be played all night....

I didn't even bother to make a push on this ball this time since I know I can use my intro offer in the fall to sell more balls and also make some more profit...it's going to be that good of a seller...trust me...
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Doug, I agree with you 100%, There is no reason to believe that this ball will not be a very good ball from lane 1, I had the original carbide when it came out, At that time i was still throwing 16lb equipment, But i had switched to 15's shortly after so i unloaded it to switch all my equipment to 15's it was a great ball then, So nothing should have changed.

It is the end of season and that is the reson why the reviews are slow coming, My boy is getting one in tomorow and will be drilled up next week to take with him to Jr Gold in Ft Lauderdale, So i will have a pretty good idea and be able to make a review based on his game to know what this ball will do.

The house we are at he is practicing on 4 diff patterns that we are puting out, 30' tapered christmas tree, 40' flat, 45' reverse block (Nasty) and 35' buffed to 38' at this house they will give you the backend but they won't give you the outsides to go with it so i will get a good read on how this ball will handle these diff conditions.
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MegaMav · « **Reply #14 on:** May 23, 2006, 09:35:48 AM »

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The shape of both balls' reaction is identical

i find that hard to believe, the 2 cores are dramatically different.

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It takes just a little shopping around to find great prices.

i agree, i also think pro-shops will eventually become "drill shops"

selling new will be a thing of the past, drilling and adjustments will be the mainstay of business, along with used ball sales.

BTW, here are the prices i paid for my stuff SHIPPED(ebay):

Pearl Uranium: $143 (NIB)
Pearl H2O: $109 (NIB)
Enriched Uranium: $101 (Single Drill w/ my span, 3 games)

if you have patience, you can get a ball at a reasonable price.
for the most part people are impatient and spend WAY more than they should.
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