Author Topic: Lane 1 Balls and Conditions... (Read 4290 times)

StormStriker · « **on:** December 05, 2004, 03:16:03 AM »

I don't know about others but it is omewhat unclar to me what lane layouts/ conditions Lane #1 balls should be ued on.
Its alright with the basics: XXXL: Little/no oil, Super Carbide Bomb: Flooded but what about all the balls inbetween- what are they to be used on? Long/short, heavy/dry?

Assuming they are drilled stack, what do they suit? Lets get a list going.
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Edited on 12/5/2004 2:13 PM

Steven · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2004, 10:06:54 PM »

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I wonder how STORM does this .. better get a hold of them and straighten them out!

Joe: I went through the Storm "Match Maker" software to get their recommendation for medium conditions given my style and specifications, and it came up with the Depth Charge.

This is interesting because I'm familiar with this ball. I know the type of equipment that works for me, and under no circumstances would I buy it. Why? because pearl particles (for me) are too squirty, and they don't have the versatility for cover alterations found in solids. I know this from experience and it's not a matter of company.

So the bottom line is that if I went with Storm's "Ball Selection for Dummies" and purchased the Depth Charge, I'd be madder than a Hornet and unhappy with Storm. In reality, the problem would be mine for not knowing how to do real research.

Fancy decision support software (like Storms and Ebonites) is cute and may be a starting point, but it's not a replacement for overall experience and knowledge. Much of today's equipment is tunable over a range of conditions, and you're missing the boat if you're looking to be spoon feed with easy and deceptive answers.

Your real point stems from a previous question you asked:

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Isn't the truth of the matter that certain companies will not state what they KNOW because it will limit the bowlers that will avail themselves of the ball?

You believe that certain companies (namely Lane#1) have evil intent to sell balls that don't necessarily fit the needs of a customer. That's a different subject, but regardless, I don't believe it to be true.

I much prefer the Lane#1 approach of accurately comparing the relative strength of each piece of their equipment rather than coming up with unrealistic software that makes simplistic recommendations that have a high probability of missing the mark.

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Edited on 12/7/2004 11:29 PM

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 07, 2004, 10:37:28 PM »

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So the bottom line is that if I went with Storm's "Ball Selection for Dummies" and purchased the Depth Charge, I'd be madder than a Hornet and unhappy with Storm. In reality, the problem would be mine for not knowing how to do real research.

The bottom line is still all about"match-up" because the Storm chart says Depth Charge for me, I have one, it works great, and I love it. Always the first ball out of my bag. For Steven, it won't work and for me it works great, so as I already said, it is all about "match-up". Lane 1 balls don't work well for me and Storm balls do and some Lane 1 balls work well for Steven. As for whether Storm balls work for Steven, I don't know.

Steven and I had a discussion a while back about Lane 1 balls not working well for me and he agreed that they are a bad match-up for me and that Storm balls should match-up better to me, which they do. A person has to take a lot of things into consideration when choosing a ball. (I didn't do this when I bought Lane 1, but I'm smarter now thru "expensive education" of buying the wrong balls....lol) There is a person's style, type release, speed, revs, strength of ball, whether arch or flip works best, and etc. all to be considered in making a decision to buy a ball. I read BTM and draw my conclusion from there along with the Mfgrs. specs and suggestions. A person will still buy the wrong ball sometimes, but if a person will do his homework (as I have learned the expensive way....lol) that person will make more correct decisions than wrong ones........I think.......

Darn fellows, I'm not the best at explaining things in writing. Sometimes it is hard for everyone to understand what I am trying to say. I do better verbally, but that can't be done on this site.

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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #18 on:** December 08, 2004, 06:18:33 AM »

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I remember conversations with certain bowlers before .. I have said my thoughts but I know we will stray from the question and go to other things .. go ahead and have the last word .. I'm satisfied that I've made my point!
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J O E - F A L C O

Since you quoted me .. I thought I'd quote me!
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Steven · « **Reply #19 on:** December 08, 2004, 10:34:47 AM »

Joe: The original question that you feared would be strayed from is "what lane layouts/ conditions Lane #1 balls should be used on".

I offered an approach for answering the question. Instead of participating in a real discussion, you dug in an ignored everything that was said, because your agenda is to bash Lane#1 at the expense of everything else. You continue to pursue a vision of believing there is a bogeyman around every corner instead of trying to understand the bowling world around you.

Joe, if you want to rag on Lane#1, be honest and confront it directly. Your approach in this thread really hasn't been productive.

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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #20 on:** December 08, 2004, 11:08:21 AM »

STEVEN .. decided this PUBLIC DISPLAY is more then I need to voice my opinion that apparently YOU don't agree with. Therefore I have sent you a BR message .. so that you and I can make an exchange without looking for sides!
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Ragnar · « **Reply #21 on:** December 08, 2004, 11:15:48 AM »

Joe, I've stayed out of this so far, but I've got to say that I agree with Steven. You come off as having an agenda (bash Lane #1 at any provocation), rather than dealing with what appear to be sound suggestions in response to the question.

I take it as a given that what ANY company has to say about various balls doesn't apply to me. Not that I'm special, but that whatever is said is largely not relevant to the conditions I'm seeing and isn't based on what happens when I (or a tester like me) throws the ball - generally this hasn't happened. I do check things like hook rating, just to get an idea of relative strengths of balls, but even that isn't always useful - I've had some balls seem much stronger than other higher rated stuff = and vice versa. Now, if someone I know and with whom I can accurately compare myself, rates a ball it is useful. But it is also rare. Heck, I can watch my driller throw a ball and have no idea how it might react if I threw it - he and I have nothing in common when it comes to tossing a ball; he will get entirely different reactions than I do.
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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #22 on:** December 08, 2004, 12:10:42 PM »

I guess I am mixed up .. I thought HOW I THROW THE BALL would be helpful in DRILL LAYOUT's .. see how STUPID I AM .. that's OK .. I was looking for ball manufacturers .. to have a standard (most do) telling the public that from their testing .. this is the condition that this ball .. in it's delivered finish .. will work best on. If this was posted for STORM or AMF or any other company I would feel the same way. It just happens that the WRITER chose LANE1 not me .. The subject is DEFINING THE LANE CONDITION .. not LANE1!

I thought I was sticking to the subject matter .. guess I went astray.

Incidentally I have a NUMBER OF LANE1 BALLS .. I like the product but refuse to pay outrageous prices. BUT that's a different column and only mentioned as an aside!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 11, 2004, 09:55:58 PM »

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Oh and Brickguy, giving up that Emerald, MISTAKE!

Harry, no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no- You giving up the Triple X was the mistake....lol... I had Anne Marie Duggan plug it and redrill it putting the Pin under RF and RAD in the strong position and this ball is a perfect fit for me for light to medium oil lanes.
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2004, 09:18:57 AM »

I have to throw this in here...

manufacturer ratings are typically misleading anyway. Look at the posters Storm send out to it's shops. I mean they list a few balls for dry lanes and such but never do define a dry lane.

UNless the manufacturer was to state specifics that the average bowler could not understand, the ratings etc would be largely useless.

I agree with previous comments about how people see a ball and think "wow, that reacts great, I am gonna get one" and they are disappointed because thier Power Groove won't hook like Brad Angelo's.

I think Lane 1 does a fine job showing where their individual balls fit into their spectrum. And let's face it...if a bowler is educated at all he knows that the Cherry Bomb Pearl will require clean backends to work effectively while the Black Cherry will do better if there is some carrydown.

Here's the rank in my mind....assuming Joe average bowler with average hand and speed on a typical house top hat

XXXL...dry lanes, fried heads and spares
Bullet...lighter oil, fresh backends
Cherry Bomb Pearl...mediums with good backends, very angular
Dirty Bomb...very versatile for all but the extremes, good length and recovery
Uranium Pearl...medium to heavier with good backs, more arc than Cherry
Black Cherry Bomb...medium to heavier, can handle some carrydown
Solid Uranium...more arc than Black Cherry, handle anything from medium to soup
Super Carbide Bomb...very strong in the oil, unshined wil lhandle nearly anything, shine it and it'll handle medium but you better have speed, no hand or carrydown

Most any competent ball driller should be able to determine this by simply looking at the specs for the balls. This is yet another area where the use of a competent and knowledgeable ball driller is essential to you selecting the proper ball.

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Saw Mill · « **Reply #25 on:** December 15, 2004, 08:10:50 PM »

I agree Doug; for me (speed with revs) a 4 ball arsenal would be as follows:

SCB - soup

Solid Uranium - medium to oily

Uranium - med to med/light

Bullet - light to dry

I would complete a 6 baller by adding the XXXL and either the XXL or the Silver Diamond (w/the SD drilled to complement the Bullet on one sid or the other). Lane 1 does a great job with their description, and as always, there is an 800 number to call. When in doubt contact the maker, for who else knows the product like the creative genious of its maker.

Dave
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