Author Topic: BASF or BAYER Lane 1 is still going to use a Columbia coverstock (Read 2516 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** June 26, 2007, 02:33:22 AM »

Lane 1 and 900 Global or whatever is going to use a BASF coverstock maybe modified for 900 Global and therefore Lane 1, but it is still the base for Columbia coverstocks. Looks like 900Global will buy Columbia coverstock material maybe with an additive and use that to pour 900Global bowling balls and Lane 1 bowling balls. I don't think 900Global is going to makes its own coverstock material.

So what we will have is Lane 1 bowling balls made of old Columbia coverstock material with the posibility of 900Global adding an additive so they can say its not a Columbia coverstock material and we the buyer think Lane 1 got away from using old Columbia coverstock material.

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charlest · « **Reply #16 on:** June 28, 2007, 06:13:00 PM »

Unless you try 2 - 3 COMPLETELY different drillings PLUS 2 - 4 COMPLETELY different surface changes with each of those drillings AND then test each of them on different oil patterns, not just a "House Shot" blended pattern, you have not "tried" a ball.

I say that because I have done PRECISELY that with many balls.

I can say, here and now, that while some balls from any manufacturer may not suit any one bowler's style, there are several ball from ANY manufcaturer that will suit any bowler's style, with the right drilling and with the right surface manipulation. Done that on many occasions and you can take that to the BANK.

Every manufacturer currently makes a huge variety of balls, based on core and coverstock. While some balls are easier to use than others, most are usable, to one degree or another, by every bowler. You just have to be willing to experiment with drills and surface changes.

I can't tell you how many people I have seen use one ball drilled one way and with NOT ONE SINGLE FREAKING ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SURFACE, and then they condemn the entire manufacturer and swear never to use their equipment again. Of such stuff are fools made.
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #17 on:** June 28, 2007, 06:55:49 PM »

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I can't tell you how many people I have seen use one ball drilled one way and with NOT ONE SINGLE FREAKING ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SURFACE, and then they condemn the entire manufacturer and swear never to use their equipment again. Of such stuff are fools made.
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Good point, but this is a strong 95% or better of the league bowlers in our local houses. Reminds me of my my buddy who took a Holley carburetor out of the box, bolted it on his engine, and said "this thing runs like crap!". No attempts were made to adjust the carb (bowling ball) to his application (lane condition and bowling style).
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Nicanor · « **Reply #18 on:** June 28, 2007, 07:32:46 PM »

I understand Columbia starts with the basic BASF and probably adds their own additives as will 900Global. But Ebonite had a problem with ball life for a while earlier. I don't know if Ebonite's ball life has improved since they tried to sell that ball absorbing material that looked like kitty litter a couple of years back.

I thought the slogan was "BASF doesn't make the product, it make the product better."

Well now that the Bowling Expo is started in Vegas, whats the info Lane 1 is giving out there, or don't they even have a booth?

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Nicanor · « **Reply #19 on:** June 28, 2007, 07:38:49 PM »

Charlest,

You make it sound like you are the only one with bowling sense.

I have traveled throughout the country and some other countrys learning a lot about the game. I've been taken on tours of a bowling manufacturing company and seen how its done.

You are not the only person who knows about oil patterns, drillings coverstock prep etc. Its not a game that you have to be a scientist to know. Maybe to develop )R&D) boowling balls/coverstocks etc, but it is an old game for the simple person and does not have to be as complicated as you make it out to be.

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golfnutFL · « **Reply #20 on:** June 28, 2007, 09:20:34 PM »

I agree with much of what you say, as always. However, I'd like to add my experiences (specifically because I am a ball w*ore with a spinner!

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I prefer not to mess with the drill. I drill EVERY ball stacked leverage, my preferred drill. HOWEVER, I will endlessly mess around with the coverstock to get the reaction I prefer. Since surface prep makes up such a huge percentage of ball reaction that is just the way I do my tweeking. Plus I like using my spinner!!!

I use balls from all the manufacturers, go through phases of liking one more than another, but they all put out (for the most part) good stuff that is tunable to the user.

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Unless you try 2 - 3 COMPLETELY different drillings PLUS 2 - 4 COMPLETELY different surface changes with each of those drillings AND then test each of them on different oil patterns, not just a "House Shot" blended pattern, you have not "tried" a ball.

I say that because I have done PRECISELY that with many balls.

I can say, here and now, that while some balls from any manufacturer may not suit any one bowler's style, there are several ball from ANY manufcaturer that will suit any bowler's style, with the right drilling and with the right surface manipulation. Done that on many occasions and you can take that to the BANK.

Every manufacturer currently makes a huge variety of balls, based on core and coverstock. While some balls are easier to use than others, most are usable, to one degree or another, by every bowler. You just have to be willing to experiment with drills and surface changes.

I can't tell you how many people I have seen use one ball drilled one way and with NOT ONE SINGLE FREAKING ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SURFACE, and then they condemn the entire manufacturer and swear never to use their equipment again. Of such stuff are fools made.
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charlest · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2007, 09:49:36 PM »

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Charlest,

You make it sound like you are the only one with bowling sense.

I have traveled throughout the country and some other countrys learning a lot about the game. I've been taken on tours of a bowling manufacturing company and seen how its done.

You are not the only person who knows about oil patterns, drillings coverstock prep etc. Its not a game that you have to be a scientist to know. Maybe to develop )R&D) boowling balls/coverstocks etc, but it is an old game for the simple person and does not have to be as complicated as you make it out to be.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

No, I don't think I'm the only one. Have you read anything I have ever written?

But if you see yourself as the type of person, at whom I was most definitely pointing a finger, then maybe you are, and THEN, maybe you are feeling guilty for saying what you did.

I am not making it complicated at all. All I said was that there's more than one way "to skin a cat". If you want to throw away a ball and ball company without sufficient justification (in my opinion) for yourself, fine. But, maybe, just maybe you should not issue that blanket condemnation on behalf of everyone else.

In my final opinion, UNLESS you have done exactly what I said, with regard to drillings and surface changes, then you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO right to condemn a ball or a ball company. Even then, you should contact the company for a full explanation, describing exactly what you did.

For people with significantly much less experience with balls than you have, I would suggest such things. For you, with all the experience you CLAIM to have with balls, my reply is simply this: Put up or shut up. Tell us every drill you used and every surface change for each drill and every lane surface and every oil pattern on which you tried all of these and their combinations for each ball that you claim is not good. Then and only then, will I be inclined to believe you.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #22 on:** June 29, 2007, 09:07:58 AM »

Charlest,

Thats an unreasonable request and one might ask you the same question. But I think ist unresonable for me or you to even try to attempt your request.

I've been around for quite awhile and had quality coaching from bowlers like Alvin Lou, and coach John Jowdy of the pros usually seen with an unlit cigar and was a representative for Columbia for year.

Put as I said before, with the exception of rare drill patterns that are exoctic, there isn't a ton of drillings to compare especially if you believe that CG doesn't matter.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Edited on 6/30/2007 0:04 AM

Steven · « **Reply #23 on:** June 29, 2007, 09:54:02 AM »

Nic: As far as the following statement by Charlest:

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Unless you try 2 - 3 COMPLETELY different drillings PLUS 2 - 4 COMPLETELY different surface changes with each of those drillings AND then test each of them on different oil patterns, not just a "House Shot" blended pattern, you have not "tried" a ball.

He's absolutely correct. That was part of my problem with your statement about testing 125 balls. It would be helpful if you could go into at least a little detail about drillings, surface changes and pattern matchups.

And for this:

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Put as I said before, with the exception of rare drill patterns that are exoctic, there isn't a ton of drillings to compare especially if you believe that CG doesn't matter.

I hope the above is just a gross mistype and that you intended to say something different. Please correct to what you really wanted to communicate so there can be further discussion.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #24 on:** June 29, 2007, 10:51:37 AM »

Steven,

What is meant in that post was that for the average bowler, drilling bowling balls are fairly generic. 1:30, stacked leverage, CG leverage, and moving the pin to areas of measurement like 3 3/8, 4' 4 1/4 and the discussion is CG doesn't matter. So with the exception of the Rico drillings and the pin in unusual places that bowlers use to battle a certain lane condition, the average bowler pretty much stays with the 6 or seven drilling on the drill sheet and probaly two or three on the drill sheet are rarely used, like pin on the axis.

I understand also that I have an over abundant of bowling balls to test. But some I have more then one, like 2 Megatons, 2 H20s, 3 Tsumanis, 4 Super Carbides 3 LRGs. And I drilled them differently and changed the surfaces to get a feel for Lane 1 bowling balls unb to the G-Force which I have 2 and plugged and re-drilled one already.

I did similar things with Brunswick and Columbia but I didn't buy very many Storm Dyno Thane, Roto Grip or other smaller companies.

I did my homework for me. I think I very rarely wrote reviews on Ballreviews. So if I say that Columbia bowling balls didn't work for me, I intended to do my ball search for me and did not keep a history of the testing I did with the different bowling balls i drilled.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Edited on 6/30/2007 0:03 AM

CoachJim · « **Reply #25 on:** June 29, 2007, 11:13:22 AM »

Being that we know that Lane #1 and Global 900 will be using Columbia Coverstocks, does anyone know if Columbia will be using Columbia or Ebonite Coverstocks?

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