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NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« on: November 05, 2007, 05:03:41 AM »
I'M LOOKING FOR SUGESTIONS ON A GOOD DRY CONDITIONS BALL. I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN ANY PLASTIC'S BUT I'M BOWLING ON VERY DRY CENTER LANE CONDITIONS AND CAN'T HOLD THE POCKET AFTER THE 1ST GAME. THERE IS SOME OIL ON THE OUTSIDE (10 TO GUTTER) BUT THE BALLS I'M CURRENTLY TRYING TO THROW HOOK TOO MUCH TO TRY & GO DOWN THE 8-10 BOARD & IF I GO TO THE MIDDLE & SWING IT OUT TO THE OIL IT SLIDES PAST THE HEAD. CURRENTLY THROWING OVER 15 -20 BOARD WITH HAMMER CHERRY VIBE -TOXIC & STORM FIRED-UP - VERTIGO-SUPER SPORT & NONE WILL HOLD THE POCKET. I BEEN DOING THIS FOR 25+ YEARS AND READY TO QUIT- EVERYONE WANTS TO SELL BALLS BUT NONE SEEM TO WORK..ANY KNOWLEDGEABLE SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2007, 05:08:22 AM »
I'm not sure how anyone can play the Evolution on dry. That ball flat out flips on me when it hits the dry. It's fine on most THS patterns (or anything else where there is head oil), but I would not consider it a dry lane ball by any stretch.
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2007, 05:11:54 AM »
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2007, 08:48:21 AM »
Lanemasters Hornet is a very good dry lane ball. Great length with control off the dry boards.
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2007, 09:17:03 AM »
Visionary's Blue Green Centaur!!!! A dry lane, solid reactive, controll ball.  Or if you can find one try a Slate Blue Gargoyle.

If not try an xxxl, power groove.

How much oil is there on the outside of the lane?  When you said down the 8-10 board I am assuming you are talking straight down the 8 or 10 board without swinging it?  Have you tried your Vertigo with a small 10-5 swing, keeping your speed slow?  What happens when you do this.  Personally I would try a solid reactive or particle pearl.  I love my Enriched Uranium and Supernova when my reactive pearls are over/under but my solid reactives are hitting weak.  It might not be worth anything but that's my 2 cents

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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2007, 09:41:04 AM »
My suggestions:

Power Groove Dry/R
Power Groove Pearl
Avalanche Pearl (soon to come)
Slate Blue Gargoyle (if you still find one - highly recommended)
Green/Blue Centaur
Dry Zone (overseas release: Activator pearl with low flare core from Purple Pearl Fuze - a strong dry lane option, but works!)
Sahara (a´nother high end option for the dry/light conditions)
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2007, 10:30:14 AM »
Have to agree with Mikern10.  Drilling layouts & ball finish are big keys on what a ball will do or won't do.  Also your hand release/Axis tilt/revs.  If you have an agressive drilling try polishing the ball & if that doesn't work try redrilling the ball with a tamer layout maybe to go long.  I did that with my Storm Shift & I can play on almost any condition by adjusting my lane position.  The only spot I haven't tried is the straight up & in approach like WRW or Norm Duke, but I'm not sure that's what you're trying to do.

Ask a Pro Shop driller to watch you throw a couple balls & explain to him what you have tried & what you are trying to do.  Just a few suggestions.  Good luck.
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2007, 05:50:01 PM »
if you have enough oil to hold a resin ball and you want a Lane 1, go with one of the following......

Uranium HRG with pin over bridge and cg swung out 1" from stacked.

H2O Pearl drilled pin 1" from PAP with mass bias under thumb

Polished Tsunami drilled like the H2O

Just my suggestion.
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2007, 02:34:38 AM »
keep in mind that the cores of the H2O and the Tsunami are different! I found my Tsunami drilled with a weaker MB and polished almost similar in motion as my H2O drilled stacked (strong MB position for - for Backend)!

So I don't understand how to drill the Tsunami this way and expect a good performance on a dry shot as it still is a solid and might bleed off too much energy for a good carry...

As I am not a pro yet a driller etc... I might be terribly wrong but from my experience even my polished Tsunami is bleeding off too much energy on drier lanes for me (tweener)
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2007, 02:58:13 PM »
There is a guy on here selling a Track Solution Power Plus EX and thats a shiny ball that has very minimal amount of hook to it. Its $35 shipped. I've owned the dull version and it was a weaker ball but it was just drilled label leverage with very little hook.
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Doug Sterner

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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2007, 05:13:46 PM »
Grayson....you have found the point.

First....Laying the pin over near the PAP will set the core down so the Tsunami core and H2O core will react VERY similarly.

Second...The Tsunami has a solid coverstock but it's a fairly weak solid coverstock. Solid covers tend to be smoother reacting that pearl covers. So they will have less snap to them and more arc. On a very dry condition the snappy balls have issues while solids tend to work better.

Your experience with the H2O and Tsunami could very well be due to a mismarked mass bias as Brunswick put out a whole slew of Tsunamis and H2O's with mismakred mass biases.

Hope I was able to help.
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Re: NEED DRY CONDITIONS BALL
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2007, 04:59:23 AM »
yeah thanks....

and I have to agree.

Don't want to hijack the topic... just to mention:

My Tsunami was my "learn to bowl with" ball... os it never was layed out for me as you describe it... my PAP has changed since then and so has my style

My H2O has the same pin position but stronger MB as I was afraid to lay out the ball too weak. Both are layed out strong from the pin position and the difference in MB position brings both balls very close to each other as my Tsunami is tamed a bit and the H2O is more aggressive.

Very good for me as I don't bowl "outside" of my local center that often..

So if I need more lenght with a nice pop I use the H2O and when I want a smooth arc I use the Tsunami.. adjusting with style to make the carry perfect.

I see a point putting the Pin in the PAP but still I think the Tsunami is too strong for real dry lanes. But the definition of a  "dry lane"  is another thing

MY suggestion still is the H2O with a weaker layout for real dry lanes or an XXXL. The H2O is smooth compared to other Pearl balls that I have seen... as far as I rememeber it is the Pearl Hybrid Radioaktive18 which is another PK18 offspring... But I am not sure about that

Nevertheless the Tsunami is a great piece! No doubt!
 It is the definition of smooth imho and for others with another layout it might be exactly what one wants for a dry lane. For me not with the label drill I have (MB position not negative!)
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