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T-GOD

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Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« on: August 11, 2004, 10:36:07 PM »
This is to expand on what IceM's reports were, based on his discussion with his physics friends.

As was stated, the diamond core conserves more energy. But, the core has to be spinning tightly. This comes from the pin axis drilling.

Because the energy is stored/conserved, i.e. spent later, the ball goes longer before you will see movement on the lane. This is opposite of what most manufacturers tell us.

As in IceM's "person spinning in chair" example, when the person's legs were extended, the energy would bleed off sooner. This will create an earlier movement on the lane.

Therefore, placing the pin at 3 3/8" from your PAP, will essentially be extending the legs as far as possible, creating more/the most wobble.

So, to create earlier movement on the lane, you will move the pin away from your PAP. As you move the pin away from your PAP, you'll turn a hockey stick reaction into more of a banana type hook pattern.

As you go past 3 3/8" from your PAP, and closer to 6 3/4", the hockey stick reaction will be reversed, where the hook will be in the front, rolling out and going straight on the backend.

Of course, oil retards the reaction of the ball, so the actuall movement you see on the lanes, will be determined on how/where the oil is placed.

When cores expand energy soon, it burns up quicker. When a core bleeds off energy slower, it holds it's maximum energy level longer..!! Because the ball holds a higher level of energy longer, the window of opportunity to strike is greater.

Thus difference between the diamond core and the rest of the cores, i.e. Morfius core, is the window of opportunity to strike is greater with the diamond core. Lane #1 users know this, by the amount of off pocket strikes they get.  

Now that you know the characteristics/physics of the diamond core and how it works, the key now is to match the drill pattern/core angle to the lane pattern and your release/style, in order to maximise your carry percentage even more..!!

When matched up correctly, nothing strikes more or longer than a Buzzsaw..!! =:^D

 

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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2004, 02:35:49 PM »
ok, so ......stacked leverage is NOT good for a Buzzsaw?
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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2004, 02:37:47 PM »
Jeff, not in my experience.
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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2004, 02:53:04 PM »
Rags, ok, but according to the way I'm reading T-GOD'S note...the diamond core is best when spinning tightly....right ? either pin axis or 6 3/4 away from pap....so 3 3/8 isn't good....

Someone I'm sure will correct me !
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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2004, 02:57:02 PM »
Ok, so keeping the core "spinning tightly", would (for a lane 1 ball) be putting the pin on my PAP. I thought that was supposed to give a very early roll, but your saying it will delay the reaction?
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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2004, 03:00:46 PM »
Jeff, I've had good results with 'Saws drilled Pin Axis, 4 x 4, 2 x 2, 1 x 1,
5 x 3, 3 x 5, and one exotic layout (on all of these the pin was located near the, or on a line with, the ring finger hole).  I tried a 3 3/8 x 3 3/8 on a Cherry Pearl (not bomb) and hated it.  Squirrely and poor hit.  For some reason a number of folks seemed to drill the CP max lev and it didn't work (as far as I know) for any of them.
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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2004, 03:04:08 PM »
Rags, ok, I'm not disagreeing, ...but do you see where I'm getting what I'm asking ?  If not, how are you reading T-GODs post?
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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2004, 03:37:52 PM »
Bradley,  
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So it's worth $250 to $300 to get this core when 80%
of the ball's reaction is still the coverstock.
Yes, because when you're bowling for money, the other 20% can make a big difference in how much money you'll make.  
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My point being is 95% of the bowlers who bowl are not consistent enough to throw a ball that has a dynamic core in it, so it doesn't matter if the diamond core is the strongest core out there
(physically speaking).
For inconsistant releases, a more stable core is better..!! The more unstable the core, the more consistant the release has to be to control the ball.
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Speed and rev challenged bowlers will have
problems throwing them because they (the balls) will roll out extremely
fast. Of course the coverstock had to match up with the lane conditions
so it doesn't matter what block is in it.
The diamond core is really strong, rolling heavy in the midlane and strong on the backend. This is why they are the best balls for oil. Yes, slower speeds may have difficulty if there's not enough oil to play with. Also, rev challenged bowlers who don't know how to properly rotate/release a bowling ball may have the same difficulties as the slower speed bowlers, in getting the ball to not roll out on the backend. These bowlers need help and may prefer lopsided/assymetrical cores that fall automatically for them.
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Now ask yourself, should every company make a diamond core? How boring would that be..
You may see it as boring, and you may be right. But if you want the best scoring overall ball/core, this is the way to achieve it, on normal house conditions.

Jeff, how did you get that 3 3/8" from your PAP isn't so good from my post..? I think what happens is that the core is so strong, when it hits the dry, it just keeps on going. So, you really need to be in the oil longer, which when that happens, there's usually too much oil for the coverstock, giving you an over/under ball reaction. It's only a problem when you're bowling on too much of an over block and/or too much dry to the right. =:^D



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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2004, 03:47:21 PM »
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Jeff, how did you get that 3 3/8" from your PAP isn't so good from my post..?


T-God, thanks for responding, I'm not being difficult, and this is not a "try to slam" Lane1 users post,...It's an honest question...you said...
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As was stated, the diamond core conserves more energy. But, the core has to be spinning tightly. This comes from the pin axis drilling.

OK...got it....
Then you said....
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As in IceM's "person spinning in chair" example, when the person's legs were extended, the energy would bleed off sooner. This will create an earlier movement on the lane.

Therefore, placing the pin at 3 3/8" from your PAP, will essentially be extending the legs as far as possible, creating more/the most wobble.

 

So,...wobble = less stable = NOT tight.... thus.... NOT equaling your first statement? So, according to that first statement 3 3/8 would not be storing more energy if it's less stable.....Yes ?? Does that make sense or did I miss something


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T-GOD

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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2004, 05:08:37 PM »
Jeff, yes you're correct in your comprehension that 3 3/8 will not store as much energy. Storing it means saving/retaining it for later. Later means later reaction on the lane.

Energy has to be expended to have force. If the energy is stored too long, the ball slides too far and will hit weak. If the energy is spent to early on the lane, the ball will roll out and hit weak.  

So, 3 3/8" only starts spending the generated energy, earlier on the lane. The key in drilling is to decide which core angle to use, in order to start expending the energy at the proper time, giving you the maximum window for hitting the pocket and striking. =:^D

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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2004, 05:42:07 PM »
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For inconsistant releases, a more stable core is better..!! The more unstable the core, the more consistant the release has to be to control the ball.  


I did own 5 Buzzsaws. Sold 2, now down to 3. As soon as my 2 new balls from another company come in, I am going to sell 2 more and keep only the Uranium for now, so I will be down to 1.

Now back to the quoted statement above, is the Angle Evolution Extra a stable or unstable core. I thought maybe drilled strong, it was an unstable core, but I don't know and that is why I am asking. It out performs the Buzzsaws hands down in the two houses I bowl in and on a variety of conditions. Other than the Uranium, the Angle Evolution Extra is about the only other ball I use anymore and I use it approx 3-4 times as much as the Uranium.

If AMF would reproduce the Evolution line again, I would sell off everything else for the Evolution line up. Terrific covers and teriffic cores for my style.
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Re: Conservation of energy and drilling techniques...
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2004, 07:07:38 PM »
Thanks T-GOD
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