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lefty50

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Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« on: February 24, 2008, 11:51:01 AM »
Ok... so many good reviews, many bad... There's always an answer, and each ball has it's own optimal condition...

Although we can't be totally scientific, and math purists will cringe at the thought, I'm always amazed at the results that can be inferred from generic input. Clearly correlation can be developed with enough honest input. If you don't think this is possible due to variations and assumptions, you may be right, so feel free to shut up, sit down, and be quiet while we try this. We can debate statistic theory in a different thread. It's still possible to develop relevant data from general assumptions. We're going to see what happens.

If interested and have thrown the Buzzbomb, I invite you to do the following, but only with data that you are fairly confident in. Bad data is worse than no data:

Fill in as much of the following information as possible. Cut and paste it and reply to the post. I'll try to prep a spreadsheet and post results...

Remember, Buzzbombs only. It's also important to note that good reviews will help as much as bad. Let's hear both results.

Bowler:
Left or right handed -
Rev rate in RPM/minute -
PAP -
Is your "A" game down and in or swing - (NOTE: This is NOT the delivery style being reported on. It merely tells me whether the test is being conducted in your comfort zone or not)

Ball specs:
Ending ball weight -
Ending top weight -
Ending side weight -
Ending finger or thumb weight -
Describe general layout pattern from Buzzbomb drill sheet if you can -
In your own words, describe the layout - "Pin above ring with CG swung 2 inches", etc...

Test being reported (this section may be repeated multiple times for the same bowler in same cases...)
Axis rotation -
Axis tilt (if known) -
Approx speed at release -
Approx speed at the pins -
Surface grit -
Any polish/Bean's sauce/other -
In your own words, describe your thoughts on lane condition... oil flood, wet/dry, 1st shift shot, 2nd shift shot, carrydown, sport pattern, other?
Approx board at arrows -
Board at break point -  
Approx break point in feet -
Were you playing down and in, swing, pointing up? (Verifies earlier assumption) -

Your assessment in general terms...
Ball was able to consistently get to the pocket (Y/N/inconsistent) -
Hitting power in your opinion from 1-10... -
Add general impressions here... Ball was weak, DOA, excellent.

Add anything you think I'm missing here.... -

Since we're comparing Buzzbombs only, I hesitate to add thoughts relative to other equipment, but there could be underlying data from other equipment used at the same time that proves burnup or something else, so if you want to add a comparative ball, go ahead. I promise nothing as to results from that section and will only consider symmetrical balls as a comparison since any other results would surely be subjective at best.

You may notice that several questions are similar but being asked in different ways. This is done on purpose. Just go with the flow.

Should be an interesting experiment. Thanks in advance for your participation.
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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2008, 08:29:14 PM »
Bowler:
Left or right handed - right
Rev rate in RPM/minute - Don't know, but I would say medium.
PAP - 5 over, 1/2 up
Is your "A" game down and in or swing - A game is a small swing (12-13 at the arrows to 7-8 at the breakpoint.

Ball specs:
Ending ball weight - 14 lbs 15-1/4 oz.
Ending top weight - exactly zero
Ending side weight - 5/8 positive
Ending finger or thumb weight - exactly zero
Describe general layout pattern from Buzzbomb drill sheet if you can - RICO
In your own words, describe the layout - Mine is more traditional RICO than the Lane #1 drill sheet. Pin in grip center (5" from PAP). PAP-pin-CG angle of 45 degrees. Weight hole 6-3/4 from pin on line through CG.

Test being reported (this section may be repeated multiple times for the same bowler in same cases...)
Axis rotation - 45 degrees
Axis tilt (if known) - not much
Approx speed at release - ?
Approx speed at the pins - 16mph
Surface grit - OOB
Any polish/Bean's sauce/other - no
In your own words, describe your thoughts on lane condition... 1st house: oil flood, 2nd house: wet/dry, both 1st shift shot.
Approx board at arrows -1st house=10, scond house=15
Board at break point - 1st house=4, second house=7
Approx break point in feet - 1st house=45, second house=42
Were you playing down and in (1st house=yes), swing (2nd house=yes)?

Your assessment in general terms...
Ball was able to consistently get to the pocket (Y/N/inconsistent) - Yes.
Hitting power in your opinion from 1-10... - 9+
Add general impressions here... Ball was strong yet smooth (makes sense with strong coverstock and RICO drill).

Add anything you think I'm missing here.... - Your own ball to test

Compared to other similar balls:
Definitely stronger than Supernova and Solid Uranium.
Similar strength to G-Force solid, but have yet to throw them back to back (working off memory).

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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2008, 09:34:00 PM »
OK here we go......

Bowler:
Left or right handed - RIGHTY
Rev rate in RPM/minute - approx 350 RPM
PAP - 5-1/4 right 1/2 up
Is your "A" game down and in or swing - (NOTE: This is NOT the delivery style being reported on. It merely tells me whether the test is being conducted in your comfort zone or not)
----prefer a small swing but more up the boards as opposed to a big swing

Ball specs:
Ending ball weight - 15# 0 oz
Ending top weight - 1-1/8 oz
Ending side weight - 1 oz
Ending finger or thumb weight - 1/4 oz finger
Describe general layout pattern from Buzzbomb drill sheet if you can -
In your own words, describe the layout - "Pin above ring with CG swung 2 inches", etc.
----5x4 pin above ring finger pic found here:
http://www.dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/buzzbomb2.jpg

Test being reported (this section may be repeated multiple times for the same bowler in same cases...)
Axis rotation - approx 30*
Axis tilt (if known) - approx 5*
Approx speed at release - 15.5-16.0
Approx speed at the pins - Dunno
Surface grit - 1000 grit Abralon over box finish
Any polish/Bean's sauce/other - light coat of Track Magic Shine
In your own words, describe your thoughts on lane condition... oil flood, wet/dry, 1st shift shot, 2nd shift shot, carrydown, sport pattern, other?
Fresh typical house shot....55 units in the middle, 5 units at 5
Approx board at arrows -17
Board at break point - 8
Approx break point in feet - 42
Were you playing down and in, swing, pointing up? (Verifies earlier assumption) - playing a small swing

Your assessment in general terms...
Ball was able to consistently get to the pocket (Y/N/inconsistent) - far more consistent than I am
Hitting power in your opinion from 1-10... - 8.5 - 9.0
Add general impressions here... Ball was weak, DOA, excellent.
---the ball exceeds every expectation I had of the ball. easily one of the most predictable balls I have thrown.
---ball responds well to hand position and ball speed changes
---perhaps the most versatile ball I have seen. Can play up and in, tiught swing, inside out and even a fluffer shot with appropriate hand position change and footwork

Compared to other similar balls:
Stronger than my Special Agent or SUper Carbide Bomb on my house shot
Slightly weaker overall than my Super Carbide Bomb on a heavier shot. BuzzBomb and SCB both pretty close midlane wise but the BB has more on the backend.

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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2008, 10:22:12 PM »
Ok themezz, I am a HUGE Lane #1 backer, and I have not liked this ball yet, but I am by no means bashing it.  I'll give this a shot...

Bowler:
Left or right handed - Right
Rev rate in RPM/minute - around 375-400
PAP - 4 7/8 right + 1/4 up
Is your "A" game down and in or swing - (NOTE: This is NOT the delivery style being reported on. It merely tells me whether the test is being conducted in your comfort zone or not) - Small swing, about 16-7

Ball specs:
Ending ball weight - 15 lbs. 13 oz.
Ending top weight - Don't know
Ending side weight - 3/4 oz.
Ending finger or thumb weight - Don't know
Describe general layout pattern from Buzzbomb drill sheet if you can - CG Out Leverage
In your own words, describe the layout - "Pin above ring with CG swung 2 inches", etc... - Pin is 1/2 directly under ring finger with CG at 45* right.  3" pin

Test being reported (this section may be repeated multiple times for the same bowler in same cases...)
Axis rotation -
Axis tilt (if known) -
Approx speed at release -
Approx speed at the pins - 18.97
Surface grit - OOB, for now
Any polish/Bean's sauce/other - Nope, not yet at least
In your own words, describe your thoughts on lane condition... oil flood, wet/dry, 1st shift shot, 2nd shift shot, carrydown, sport pattern, other? - Left lane was left-overs after a few open bowlers, right lane was fresh shot from league (extra pair between league and open play)
Approx board at arrows - 16
Board at break point - 7-5
Approx break point in feet - I would guess around 45' (The right dark board, on older wooden lanes)
Were you playing down and in, swing, pointing up? (Verifies earlier assumption) - Small swing

Your assessment in general terms...
Ball was able to consistently get to the pocket (Y/N/inconsistent) - Inconsistent
Hitting power in your opinion from 1-10... - 7-7.5
Add general impressions here... Ball was weak, DOA, excellent. - Ball did not recover well.  When it did make it to pocket, was DOA more times than not.  Right lane was about 7-10 boards right of the Left lane, and ball still did not react how I expected.  I may have been trying the BB on the wrong shot (i.e. not enough oil volume, not enough oil length, etc.)

Add anything you think I'm missing here.... - Just gonna continue to work with the ball, and maybe try some surface adjustments.  Open to any ideas/suggestions

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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2008, 10:51:33 PM »
themezz=richard for brains
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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2008, 04:50:33 AM »
Keep 'em coming guys, I'll start compiling tonight and see what we get, but the more data, the more patterns wil emerge.
Thanks for participating.
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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2008, 05:08:07 AM »
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Lets see here:Novawagonmaster is a Lane # 1 collector aka NUT with over 40 Lane #1 balls and who likes to blow his money uselessly.

He can use a different Lane # 1 ball every week for the whole winter league season and only have 3 games on it after a year.


How does this disprove any of the answers I gave above?

FYI, I have also thrown Ebonite Total NV (liked it), NVS (hated it), and have a Complete NV coming. I also threw a Storm XXXtreme and liked it, but hated the Shift. I had a RotoGrip RSX that was just OK for me. Every now and then, I will try other companies balls just to see how they roll.

As for using a different ball each week, it's close but not true. Usually I will find a ball I match up with and stick with it for several weeks. Only when I get bored will I mix things up.

As for the money I blow on balls, I bet it's less than you blow on beer, weed, and prostitutes. You see, we all have our ways to spend the money we earn. I choose to spend mine on bowling balls. Sorry if that makes you angry (or jealous).

On a side note, it's nice having my own stalker. Thanks for checking up on me!
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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2008, 06:46:04 AM »
Jon, keep the results coming. And congrats on getting your own troll!
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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2008, 06:58:40 AM »
Bowler: Triggerman (yes I sell lane #1)
Left or right handed - Righty
Rev rate in RPM/minute - roughly 425
PAP - over 5 up 0
"A" game is swinging the ball, typically starting with feet on 35 crossing 17 at the arrows, but "B" is up ten or small swing, and "C" is extrememly deep, IE 5th arrow or deeper

Ball specs:
Ending ball weight - 15# 1oz
Ending top weight -  2.5
Ending side weight - .625
Ending finger or thumb weight - finger .75
Ball is laid out using Mo's dual angle layout, drilling angle is 60* pin to pap is 4.5" and val angle is 25, this results in the pin being above and slightly right of ring, with cg almost stacked underneath


Axis rotation - depends on what the lanes are giving me
Axis tilt (if known) - see above
Approx speed at release - speed at release is north of 19 mph
Approx speed at the pins - typically 17.5
Surface grit - both box and slightly polished, currently the ball is 1500 grit wet sand and then hit hard with ebo powerhouse cleaner and polish
In out of box conditions this ball is way too much for the average league shot, slightly polihsed it is a dream on those same shots from in deep, polished like i have it now, it does well on just about anything.  I currently bowl on 4 houses two wook two synthetics, wood house 1 41 feet of lighter oil, ob outside 5 most evenings, ball rolls great with light hand 17-10 type shot, house 2 is 42 feet decent volume, iffy backs most nights.  this ball really shines here, up ten hard and fast and as the night goes I can move deeper and deeper and never lose carry.  house 3 old wood, 37 ft of oil spotless backs, in the current state of the ball I can start 15 out to 10 and once again move deep if needed.  house 4 42ft good volume, clean backs, once again a great shot for this ball in both oob and current state


I have only seen this ball appear to burn out on a couple of occasions with several weak 7-10 splits.  I have left a handful of 7-10's but most have been rack blowers where nothing touched either pin, ball takes the ten out very well and the crowd that typically watches it blow the rack is bigger then most of my other lane #1 stuff.  Guys stop all the time and watch it.  drilled one for a league guy one night and instantly had 4 people ask about it.  carry is exceptional for me, as well as a vrey consistent read, being solid I dont get the over under.  but I also know if I start pinging single pins its prolly time to put it away or time to vary my release by taking some hand out

Bottom line, we can place these reviews here for you, tell you how great it is or how bad it is.(my opinion and this as I have stated many times, is not said lightly) is probably the best ball lane #1 has produced, we have drilled them for strokers, crankers, tweeners, and after adjusting surfaces in some instances have had grand sucess with our league bowlers.

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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2008, 07:38:48 AM »
Thanks Chris - Observations are relevant to the gathering of general statistics. I appreciate the input.
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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2008, 09:25:05 AM »

Bowler: Nicanor
Left or right handed - righty
Rev rate in RPM/minute - 350-400
PAP - 5 and 1/8 up
Is your "A" game down and in or swing - (NOTE: This is NOT the delivery style being reported on. It merely tells me whether the test is being conducted in your comfort zone or not) a Mild swing.. play the shot the lane gives, prefer small swing

Ball specs: 2.5in pin 3 oz top weight
Ending ball weight - 15lb
Ending top weight -
Ending side weight -
Ending finger or thumb weight -
Describe general layout pattern from Buzzbomb drill sheet if you can -
In your own words, describe the layout - "Pin above ring with CG swung 2 inches", etc... pin below the ring finger CG 2 inches right if MB was marked it would bee 2 3/4 right of thumb

Test being reported (this section may be repeated multiple times for the same bowler in same cases...)
Axis rotation -
Axis tilt (if known) -
Approx speed at release - 16.5
Approx speed at the pins - ~
Surface grit - box, 2000, Bean's polish and 500 all at a different practice session
Any polish/Bean's sauce/other - Bean;s Secret polish
In your own words, describe your thoughts on lane condition...Heavy oil long, Christmas tree pattern and a walled shot
Board at break point -
Approx break point in feet - 44 and 42
Were you playing down and in, swing, pointing up? (Verifies earlier assumption) - I like swing but I tried this ball from down and in on 5 through swinging the ball from 31 out to 12.

Your assessment in general terms...
Ball was able to consistently get to the pocket (Y/N/inconsistent) - no
Hitting power in your opinion from 1-10... - I wish
Add general impressions here... The ball had no hook (or extemely liele) on all lane conditions long and short oil and walled or short oil.


I did not give up on the ball, but I hope I can get some info or help from Lane 1.  I do not se any of the spectacualrs that others say they have with this ball.  The ball would be lucky if its hooking 5 boards on any of the shots with any of the surfaces I have had with this ball.




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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2008, 04:09:10 PM »
SpecVspeeD03--------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is a post I copied form another post.  he did not fill in the blanks, but I think his input is pertinent.

so this weekend i bowled in a tournament at my local house which a walled shot was put down...the lanes were extremely dry on the outsides and it made for a lot of room for missing left and right. I used the buzzbomb and still was only standing where i stand with my arsenal artillery on my normal league shot (more oil). I used both balls in the tournament and they both had about the same overall hook...only the BB had more length and snap on the back and the AA was a little smoother. Now I know the arsenal is supposed to be a medium oil ball good for most ths house shots. I think my BB should be moving a lot more than it...

Ive bowled 2 league nights at a medium-heavy oil house and I have not gotten the ball to do anything. I couldnt swing the ball and I could barely play down and in and that was while slowing the ball down and trying to give it all i had on the roll. I bowl in this house again tonight so we will see what happens....so far the only success ive had with the BB is at an old house with very high friction lanes that I can almost swing my desert heat on.
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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2008, 04:34:12 PM »
I am starting to believe you got a lemon by chance. It happens with anything
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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2008, 06:24:10 PM »
The above post is not mine.  I just cut and pasted it here.
I received no word today from Lane 1. Still waiting for their reply.


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Re: Let's try to figure this Buzzbomb thing out
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2008, 06:57:53 AM »
Thanks to all who have contributed. I'll post results sometime tonight or tomorrow and see what we can determine so far...

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