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Spartan

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supernova layout
« on: December 05, 2007, 07:23:47 AM »
alright. i think i've sourced the problem to my supernova, but i'm going to make sure before i do something stupid. anyways, i intended do have this as my heavy oil ball with an aggressive backend, but it refuses to be swung. i was at a tournament yesterday and asked the pro shop guy there( a sawhead) what was wrong with it. currently, i have the pin up and right of the ring finger, cg pushed out a little, and the MB swung out. he told me that the ball's mb is similar to hammer's hart concept and that the mb should be in my track. is this true? how do you have yours laid out?

ps- stats are in my profile and the ball has a 3 inch pin.
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Grayson

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2007, 03:44:33 PM »
What?

IF the MB marking is like with every other asym ball (ecept the Hammer HART concept of course) I would not say it should be put on the track in general

But I would go with either this resource for layout:
http://www.bowlingknowledge.com/tips.html
esspecially this here:
http://www.bowlingknowledge.com/tips/mario/mario_1030&1030strong_image002.jpg

or you take a look at this site explaining the dual angle layout system:
https://www.buddiesproshop.com/114/Mo_Pinel_Dual_Angle_Layout_Technique.htm

I see a big difference in my two H2Os (Tsunami and H2O): On my Tsunami the MB is much close to the Track then on my H2O yet my H2O with core/coverstock combination has much more backend!

In the first link they say you cannot make a skid snap ball out of a smooth ball! ... and that is true if you remember that the most reaction is dictated by the coverstock. When you take a look at the Vid Mike is throwing a stacked drilled SN and yet the ball rolls smooth.

So I dare to speculate that on your ball with the actual layout the MB is so close to your PAP that it won't create much backend with your style..... just a guess.


But just to confuse you more I also dare to say take a look at the drillsheet of the SN first. Maybe putting the MB in your track will give you the most hook on the backend as it is the "label" layout and on the drillsheet says it has the most flare and backend.

I hope your ball turns out as you want it.

And just a last question: did you try altering the surface?

Many words and I hope at least 2 or 3 can help you but I would definitivly say that the SN is anything but compareable with the NM Core concept as long as I hear nothing different from Lane#1.
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scottie

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2007, 03:47:12 PM »
my ball driller has drilled several nova's and xp's..mostly stacked with pin beside ring or slightly below. last night a good bowler was using his xp, drilling stacked, pin about an inch higher and along the side of the ring finger, and this ball on a fresh house shot was coming back so hard.he was swinging it out and the ball had great recovery??
what length of pin did you get??? also what is your rev rate and ball speed???
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Sawuser

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2007, 04:46:09 PM »
I don't know, I think a lot of people make wrong choices for HEAVY oil balls. A polished resin very light load particle would not be my choice. JMHO!
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don coyote

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2007, 05:00:27 PM »
I would recommend not making the SN as your heavy oil ball. There are plenty of better options for heavy oil,(ANGER, RISING, RESURGENCE.) I have a ANGER sanded to 500 grit that is perfect for oil. I also have a RISING with the cover at 4000 abralon that is SWEET. They are both drilled the same way only the static weights are different. Look at the recommended drilling for the RISING. I found this drilling is at the FURY web site. I love the control and reliable hook of this drilling.The ANGER and FURY are cheap options.
MAKE SURE TO USE A GOOD BALL CLEANER RIGHT AFTER LEAGUE. The pores are open and filled with oil. It will make the ball last much longer, and keep it more consistant. CHEERS FOR BOWLING!!!
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Spartan

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2007, 06:41:42 PM »
i'm sorry, but i don't see how that answers what i'm asking. i'll work with what i've got. if i can move a big time pearl on medium heavy, i definitely want to see what my can supernova do. and with the current layout, it isn't doing a whole lot at all.
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novawagonmaster

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2007, 08:22:22 PM »
My Supernova is drilled pin up and right of ring finger, CG and MB stacked below. The ball is a midlane monster and still moves very strong on the backend. I use the ball on a heavy volume THS (43 feet with squeaky clean backends). I have drilled several Lane #1 balls label 1:30, and that drill also works very well FOR ME. Zues will be right behind me saying label drills suck, but there are plenty of sawheads out there doing good with them (as your local pro will tell you). The only time I do not like my label-drilled equipment is when I am forced deep inside. If you are on a fresh shot and want to play the track area, go ahead and try a label drill. That ball just may become your best friend.
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Edited on 12/7/2007 7:15 AM
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zeusjr

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2007, 08:43:45 PM »
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Zues will be right behind me saying label drills suck, but there are plenty of sawheads out there doing good with them


Do I got a reputation or what...  LOL..  I have never found a Label drilled Saw I've liked, and won't ever waste my money trying it again.  I agree I know several Sawheads like yourself who like label drills, but I also know several others who hate them like me.

In the end, it's your ball and you do with it as you please and I hope it works great for you.
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novawagonmaster

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 06:31:02 AM »
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Zues:

Would you explain why you do not like the label drill? What does swinging out the MB do to the reaction? I have read from may sources that the slight shift of the MB (basically changing the drill from stacked to label) makes a subtle difference. Obviously that is not so....


This info is printed right on the top of all Lane #1 drill sheets:
Turning the pin towards the 3:00 position relative to the CG increases length.
Turning the pin towards the 9:00 position relative to the CG decreases length.
http://www.lane1bowling.com/tech/dspecs/ds_supernova_xp.html


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zeusjr

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Re: supernova layout
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 07:41:38 PM »
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Zues:

Would you explain why you do not like the label drill? What does swinging out the MB do to the reaction? I have read from may sources that the slight shift of the MB (basically changing the drill from stacked to label) makes a subtle difference. Obviously that is not so....


My major issue is inconsistency.  Very over/under for me, and just never can get a good read for the lane.  I prefer drillings like RICO that produce more consistent, smooth reacting or drillings like STACKED that are aggressive when I need it.
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