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Iketown300

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Question about a golden nugget
« on: August 10, 2004, 04:57:42 AM »
I have one of these it is drilled cg leverage with a huge weighthole on the PAP.  Pin is about 1 1/2" above the ring and this ball does absolutely nothing in oil.  When it hits the dry it does hook a little bit.  What is this ball supposed to actually do?
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Iketown300

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2004, 08:52:56 PM »
Yes, the cg leverage does exist.  It's putting the cg 3 3/8 away from your pap which is the leverage area and putting the pin 4 3/8 away from your PAP.  Go on the www.lane1bowling.com, tech data, drilling specs for the golden nugget if you don't believe me, it's right there.
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brimar

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2004, 09:20:59 PM »
well least he has a $300 spare ball   :/
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2004, 09:34:03 PM »
hahahah actually didn't even pay half of that.
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2004, 11:32:58 PM »
Ike,

I have one drilled the exact same way and I don't get near a much movement in oil as I do with my black rasberry, but on med oil I get quite a bit of movement. For me my nugget moves more than my cherry bomb.
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Iketown300

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2004, 12:08:14 AM »
Really?  I have a original xl buzzsaw drilled label with pin next to ring and this ball actually hooks more on the same lane conditions although the xl squirts in oil too, it still give me some hook at the end whereas if i throw the nugget in the oil it goes completely straight.
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2004, 12:32:34 AM »
king,

any insight on why this is?
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2004, 03:09:48 AM »
WHEN U ARE TALKING ABOUT ANY WEIGHT BLOCK,THE CG PLACEMENT IS CRITICAL....MASS BIAS IS VERY IMPORTANT TOO..THE CG IS THE HEAVIEST PART OF THE BALL.AND NEEDED TO BENEFIT THE TYPE OF LAYOUT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.THIS IS WHY EVERY BALL COMPANY NOTES THIS ON THERE DRILL SHEETS-WHY ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES NOT AGREE?
YOU ARE MAKING THE ISSUE ABOUT PIN AND MASS BIAS BUT CG PLAYS A PART IN THIS AS ITS THE CENTRE OF GRAVITIY.
IF YOU GET A BALL WHERE THE MB IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE PIN AND CG,AND ITS KICKED OUT,IT WILL GIVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REACTION THAN A BALL THAT HAS THE THREE POINTS IN LINE...MOST SHOPS WOULD RETURN THESE BALLS,BUT ITS  A CASE WHERE THE CG BECOMES CRITICAL.
STORM ETC MARK THEIR MB,AND THE POINTS ARE IN LINE---YOU CANNOT SAY THE CG IS NOT IMPORTANT...THATS JUST UNTRUE--ARE YOU SURE YOU JUST DO NOT LIKE LANE ONE-YOU ALWAYS POST NEGATIVE STUFF AND YOU ALWAYS GET CAUGHT OUT...RICHIE AT LANE ONE WHO DESIGNED THESE BALLS MAY ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LAYOUTS,AND WOULD HARDLY NOTE INFO ON A DRILL SHEET THAT WAS WRONG........
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2004, 04:35:23 PM »
Lose.........the............capslock.........Thank you.
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scottie

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2004, 08:52:00 PM »
thx for your reply----i still would like to know why all ball manufactures show cg leverage on their sheets and also 3 3/8 layouts....if they are wrong and you are right,why are you the only one?
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2004, 09:42:59 PM »
Jabroni, I'm tired of hearing your nonsense. It's time for you to learn a bit about ball drilling/balancing my son.

Do you even know what weight is..? Where they are..? Do you know what the CG means..? How about the ending CG..? Do you know what static weights are and what they mean..? NO YOU DON'T..!! Because if you did, we wouldn't be having this discussion/argument right now.

Weight is weight, where ever it is or how it's measured. Weight turns into dynamic weight/energy when it's put into motion. Depending on which angle the weight is rotating, the amount of wobble, determines the amount of dynamic energy generated/converted.

If the ending center of gravity is on the top half of the ball, the ball has top weight. If the ending CG is on the bottom half of the ball, it has bottom weight. If the ending CG ends up on the right side of the ball, you have positive side weight, for a righty. If it's on the left, you have negative side weight.

Now, let's say you have 2 Lane #1 balls, or any 2 symmetrical core balls for that matter, drilled stacked leverage. One has 1 oz. top, the other has 1 oz. bottom, both have the same side and finger.

The one with top weight has the ending CG on the top half of the ball, the other has the ending CG on the bottom half of the ball.

THEY WILL NOT ROLL THE SAME..!! PERIOD, END OF STORY..!! There will be a HUGE difference in the ball reaction, especially on the backend. So don't tell me/us that the CG/static weights doesn't matter.

If you put the ending CG in the leverage position/45* (3 3/8") from your PAP, the ball will react differently than if you put the ending center of gravity ON your PAP..!! WHERE THE CG/ENDING CG IS DOES MATTER..!!

Lane #1 teaches this with their Gravity Balance System. IT WORKS..!! Their drill sheets WORK..!! Their balls WORK..!! That's why they're still in business..!!

I suppose a 1 oz. weight on a 40 lb. wheel doesn't matter either, or that you can't feel the effect it has when you're driving down the road..?

Yes Lane #1 balls cost more, but they're worth it. They also teach you things that the other companies don't, won't or can't on top of it.

I guess you're just too cheap to find out/learn something..!! Hopefully you just learned something from me, because it was free, SON..!! =:^D





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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2004, 12:36:27 AM »
actually, if you read jabroni's post, he didnt say static weights/ cg placement didnt matter, he said that the cg in relation to the pap didnt matter. from what i understand, this is completely true, and the cg is only used to change static weights and locate the mass bias, but if i am completely off base here, let me know
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scottie

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2004, 03:27:53 AM »
its funny how now after t god's post jabroni is back tracking-i still wanna know why all ball companies say differently to him..why are they not hiring old jabs for r+d--he just doesn't like lane one!...answer the question jabs--why are all the drill sheets from every ball company wrong--????just answer that.
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scottie

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2004, 12:34:10 PM »
jabroni-you owe the board an apology for being a twat...historically you try and knock lane 1 with your technical crap,only to back down after hearing professionals shoot you down---
you claim all ball companies have their drill sheets wrong,so again,for the third time,why are you the only one right???

look forward to some personal attack and again avoiding the question.
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2004, 06:24:38 PM »
quote:
jabroni-you owe the board an apology for being a twat...historically you try and knock lane 1 with your technical crap,only to back down after hearing professionals shoot you down---
you claim all ball companies have their drill sheets wrong,so again,for the third time,why are you the only one right???

look forward to some personal attack and again avoiding the question.


Excuse me???????
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