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Iketown300

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Question about a golden nugget
« on: August 10, 2004, 04:57:42 AM »
I have one of these it is drilled cg leverage with a huge weighthole on the PAP.  Pin is about 1 1/2" above the ring and this ball does absolutely nothing in oil.  When it hits the dry it does hook a little bit.  What is this ball supposed to actually do?
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2004, 09:32:04 PM »
Well Jimmy he does have a point now doesnt he! I didnt take the original reply as hes the best ball driller either just answered the guys question correct when so retard named scottie decided to go on a caps lock rampage! So i dont know where you get off makin comments like that!
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2004, 09:53:55 PM »
Is that link posted before really Jabroni? o_O *snicker*
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2004, 12:10:53 AM »
i'm still waiting for the answer about why jabs thinks all the ball companies drill sheets are wrong...the cap letter post was due to me having started with caps and i couldn't be bothered starting again....

i think jabs, the reason that it turns into personal attack,and i should be a little more mature too,is that you make sweeping statements like" lane 1 drill sheets are useless".i think if you debate the issues with some kind of acceptance that other folk may have some kind of knowledge on ball drillings,it may be a discussion rather than a slamming match.
i think the attitude over the months of "my way is the only way" tends to piss some of us off..thats all....

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2004, 09:35:02 AM »
Jabs, "leverage weight" is defined as putting "weight" 3 3/8" (45 degrees) from your PAP.

The pin is where weight is, because it extends to the top of the core, and that's where a higher dinsity of material is. So, putting the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP is considered "standard/normal" leverage weight.

But, like I stated above, any weight at 3 3/8" from your PAP is considered leverage wieght. The CG, like the pin, extends down through the ball to where the heaviest spot of the ball is. So, the prick mark/CG is like/the same as the pin/locater pin.

CG leverage does exist and it's even better when the ending CG is located at 3 3/8" from your PAP.

Now Jabs, don't be a Jabroni and tell people that CG leverage doesn't exist. I thought you were smarter than that. =:^D

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2004, 10:19:15 AM »
Back to the original subject. The Golden Nugget is not
a true oil ball, it is a medium ball. If you wanted an
oil ball, and are loyal to Lane #1, The Super Carbide
would be a better choice, or even the Solid Cherry Bomb
(for medium oil). No matter how you drilled the Golden
Nugget, you wont change the characteristics of the
coverstock.
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2004, 12:52:26 PM »
last and final thing.....for all folks who purchase a lane one ball-the drill sheets are correct,and they give a good indication of how to set the balls up,depending on the reaction you require.

thx for the response jabs-i hope you agree now that there is more than one opinion,and we all learn from each other.
if you do not like buzzsaws,DO NOT BUY THEM,its your choice.stay away from lane one posts and give your advice and knowledge to storm or columbia buyers.

Iketown300

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2004, 03:13:59 PM »
See here is where the problem lies with.  On the lane 1 website it states that the golden nugget has a little less hook than the uranium.  My uranium is great with a simple label leverage drill.  I have a golden nugget and a xxl buzzsaw both cg leverage and the xxl moves more than the nugget.  I am throwing the nugget on medium lanes and tossing it out to the driest part of the lane to get it to come back.  I thought "particle pearls" are supposed to be great for carrydown and to handle some oil?
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2004, 03:39:50 PM »
Ike, it's hard to get a fair comparison between the Uranium and the Nugget, because they have different layouts.

The XXL can hook more on the backend than the Golden Nugget, when you're bowling on drier conditions. This is because the urethane cover will allow the ball to store more energy than a particle cover.

The CG out layout will roll earlier, with a smoother reaction off the dry boards, which may be why it's not as good on carrydown as you're expecting.

I may be wrong here, but that's my take on it. =:^D

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2004, 03:44:01 PM »
I've been working on learning drill patterns the past couple months and by far am no pro.  But what gets me is the "cg leverage" is supposed to have a length of 6 or so and backend of 7 or 8.
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2004, 09:11:17 PM »
ike-i had an issue too with my nugget not being as strong as i thought it was going to be.i have the pin over the bridge and the cg kicked out.on other balls,this layout is great,blueberry,cherry pearl etc,long but strong backend.
my nugget goes too long unless the backend is dry.
i have seen other bowlers shoot 300 with the nugget,and they have the layout   5x4.they have less ball speed than i do,but it rolls great for them...i have the same issue with the cranberry.i own every buzzsaw known to man, but i will say you need to match the ball to the conditions to really get the max out the ball.i rarely use the nugget....good bowling...

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2004, 06:13:32 PM »
Well, I thought I would post as the new owner of this ball, thanks to Iketown300's Used Bowling Ball Emporium <gr>. The ball is laid out pretty close to the Lane #1 description of "CG Leverage" per their web site, EXCEPT the pin is above the ring as Ike states, and not below and right of ring as per their web site picture.

I used the ball for the first time today on a THS, synthetic lanes, with the outsides a bit thin, inside wet. As you can see by my profile, I am far from a big boomer. My results are that this ball will hook --- and quite a bit -- once it hits the dry. The backend can be quite huge. In the oil, if playing inside, the ball will skid, and actually skid a bit after leaving the oil, then will turn up a ton depending on how much hand you put to it.

If you stay strictly in the oil, the ball really never gets started. The polished PK17 cover would need scuffing if you want it to hook earlier. I found my original Inferno (factory polished Activator finish, 4x4 layout, no X-hole) would hook much earlier than the GN.... and, on this condition, much less back end. Of course, it could be just burning up, because I get plenty of back end from the Inferno on heavier oil conditions.

All in all, this seems to be a good skid-flip ball with this layout... and surely not an oiler! I generally do not use skip-flip gear, but this ball may just be perfect for this house, where I struggled with too early hook in this house last year as a sub, while less skilled "whip, whirl, and twirl it in the dry" guys scored all night.

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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2004, 08:34:54 PM »
Small correction...

The GN has a particle version of Powerkoil-17.  17 is a little weaker than 18.  17 to me seems more sensitive to the dry.  18 would be stronger/earlier and smoother.  I don't what kind or the load of particles on the GN.
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Re: Question about a golden nugget
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2004, 09:32:45 PM »

You are right, it's PK 17 (I knew that but my fingers did not).


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