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bigtimebowler1974 · « **on:** November 28, 2008, 12:25:27 PM »

looking for a new or slightly used and clean rasberry saw. anyone know where i can get my hands on one.

Uncle Crusty · « **Reply #31 on:** December 07, 2008, 07:21:35 PM »

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The more you want something, the more you're willing to pay for it. The worth of the item remains unchanged.

The more you pay for something the more it's WORTH to you.. LOL

Exactly, thanks for making my point for me. Personal worth is not the same as the actual worth of the item.

Let me give you an example. Let's say I have a dime where the head was double-stamped. Such error coins are extremely rare because the mint catches most screw ups before they enter circulation, but it's impossible to catch them all. And because double-stamped coins are so rare, collectors are willing to shell out a bunch of money for them.

Let's say a numismatist contacts me and offers me $2,500 for this dime (depending on various factors, this offer wouldn't be unheard of). Does that mean I can now take my dime, go to Best Buy, and purchase a 50-inch flat screen TV with it? Ummm, no. The dime is still worth ten cents. Just because some dude that collects rare coins thinks it's worth $2,500 doesn't mean that's the worth of the item. It's still worth all of ten cents.
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Roy Munson · « **Reply #32 on:** December 07, 2008, 08:56:10 PM »

. . . kool pics, mickey

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...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry

BeansProShop · « **Reply #33 on:** December 07, 2008, 09:38:16 PM »

Sorry. Having trouble understanding an item is not worth what someone will pay for it.

I am also a baseball card collector and had a card shop for a while. The price book reads that a card is "Worth" $100. I can't sell it for $100. I can only sell it for $25. THAT MAKES IT WORTH $25!!! Plain and simple. Or is it worth the .02 it took to make it??

Any product in this world is only worth what somebody will pay for it. What is so hard to comprehend about that?? What dictates worth?? What someone will pay for it.

Beans
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Roy Munson · « **Reply #34 on:** December 08, 2008, 09:08:22 AM »

. . . The Inverted Jenny

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_Jenny

. . . it was selling for 24 cents when it came out
. . . no person in his/her right mind should sell it
. . . over 24 cents - yeah right!
. . . let's see one sold for $977,500
. . . the other went for $825,000
. . . wow! a set of four for $2.7 million!
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry

arcright7 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 08, 2008, 09:18:44 AM »

WORTH: the value of something measured by its qualities or by the esteem in which it is held.

Don't get me wrong, i loved the raspberry c2, (one of my all time favorites) but i would not pay close to that for another one. There are too many other far less expensive, better made, equal performing choices out here. But if i could buy one and flip it for substantial profit i would consider it. I don't fault the seller for that. It's just ironic that the same seller has posted complaints on this board about online sales screwing pro shop profit. You can't have it both ways. There is another market of buyers as well who are alot less loose with their hard earned cash. They deserve the same value for the dollar that you have.

.........ARC7

Uncle Crusty · « **Reply #36 on:** December 08, 2008, 09:20:10 AM »

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. . . The Inverted Jenny

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_Jenny

. . . it was selling for 24 cents when it came out
. . . no person in his/her right mind should sell it
. . . over 24 cents - yeah right!
. . . let's see one sold for $977,500
. . . the other went for $825,000
. . . wow! a set of four for $2.7 million!

Yep, and if you tried to mail your cable bill with this in the upper right hand corner of the envelope, it would be returned for insufficient postage.
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Maine Man · « **Reply #37 on:** December 08, 2008, 09:35:53 AM »

If my town tells me my house is worth 200,000 I am going to pay taxes on a house worth 200,000, even it it's worth more to me. I am not going to go up to my city clerk and say, well the house is worth 500,000 to SOME people, so I think I want to pay taxes on a 500,000 house, no matter what you guys tell me it's worth. The 200,000 is REAL worth, not PERCEIVED worth, two different things altogether.

Everything has a real and perceived worth. The real worth of something can be measured (well, by most of us, anyway) and the perceived worth can be paid by morons who think any Lane #1 ball made before 2000 should cost you one of your kidneys. I'm done arguing this, go ahead and pay $600 for a ball, and then I can watch you have a complete meltdown when it gets jammed out back and comes back like you resurfaced it with a pick axe.
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BeansProShop · « **Reply #38 on:** December 08, 2008, 12:45:02 PM »

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WORTH: the value of something measured by its qualities or by the esteem in which it is held.

Don't get me wrong, i loved the raspberry c2, (one of my all time favorites) but i would not pay close to that for another one. There are too many other far less expensive, better made, equal performing choices out here. But if i could buy one and flip it for substantial profit i would consider it. I don't fault the seller for that. It's just ironic that the same seller has posted complaints on this board about online sales screwing pro shop profit. You can't have it both ways. There is another market of buyers as well who are alot less loose with their hard earned cash. They deserve the same value for the dollar that you have.

.........ARC7

I certainly agree and stand behind the companies and website distributors screw the pro shop comments I have made. They are about current line product that is sold cheaper online than Pro Shops can but them for.

We are not talking about discontinued vintage balls that are limited.

It is two seperate cases.

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BeansProShop · « **Reply #39 on:** December 08, 2008, 12:52:21 PM »

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If my town tells me my house is worth 200,000 I am going to pay taxes on a house worth 200,000, even it it's worth more to me. I am not going to go up to my city clerk and say, well the house is worth 500,000 to SOME people, so I think I want to pay taxes on a 500,000 house, no matter what you guys tell me it's worth. The 200,000 is REAL worth, not PERCEIVED worth, two different things altogether.

Everything has a real and perceived worth. The real worth of something can be measured (well, by most of us, anyway) and the perceived worth can be paid by morons who think any Lane #1 ball made before 2000 should cost you one of your kidneys. I'm done arguing this, go ahead and pay $600 for a ball, and then I can watch you have a complete meltdown when it gets jammed out back and comes back like you resurfaced it with a pick axe.
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You have no argument. What is value judged by?? Money!

The value of anything is determined by what somebody will pay for it.

Just because you do not find the same value in a product that someone else does does not make it less valuable as a whole.

I personally don't think that 80% of bowling balls on the market right now are worth what they are selling for.

How can a distributor sell me a Black Widow Venom for $110 wholesale. Then send me sales about Venom x-outs for $65 and they even state in the flyer that there is nothing wrong with the ball.

Why is the same exact ball priced different? They are "Worth" the same. They took the same amount of money to produce.. Why is the Venom X-Out not worth $110 and vise versa??

If value is "ALWAYS" judged my a monetary number. It is only worth the number you can sell it for.

Beans

Please lock this topic as it was grodssly hijacked.

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Maine Man · « **Reply #40 on:** December 08, 2008, 01:01:36 PM »

To get this back on topic:

cjbenavides, I found a couple on ebay, one for a buy it now price of $199, the other one for $399. Same ball, same seller, different prices.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=raspberry+buzzsaw&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Beans, why is one selling for $199 and the other for $399? Shouldn't both balls be the EXACT same price, according to your Black Widow logic? Please explain....
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Maine Man · « **Reply #41 on:** December 08, 2008, 01:16:58 PM »

Waiting for the lame "15's are worth more than 16's" reference on this one, which would still fly in the face of the whole venom x-outs reference where they should all be the same price......
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Kid Jete · « **Reply #42 on:** December 08, 2008, 01:18:50 PM »

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To get this back on topic:

cjbenavides, I found a couple on ebay, one for a buy it now price of $199, the other one for $399. Same ball, same seller, different prices.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=raspberry+buzzsaw&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Beans, why is one selling for $199 and the other for $399? Shouldn't both balls be the EXACT same price, according to your Black Widow logic? Please explain....
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It's the exact same reason as the BW example he stated. One is $399 because people are willing to pay more for #15. Just like people are willing to pay more for a bowling ball that isn't an x-out or blem. I think you misread or misunderstood what Beans was talking about with the BW's.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #43 on:** December 08, 2008, 01:23:10 PM »

Biggest hooking ball I've thrown....tied with Pantera!

Too much for me!

REgards,

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Maine Man · « **Reply #44 on:** December 08, 2008, 01:31:18 PM »

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It's the exact same reason as the BW example he stated. One is $399 because people are willing to pay more for #15. Just like people are willing to pay more for a bowling ball that isn't an x-out or blem. I think you misread or misunderstood what Beans was talking about with the BW's.

kidjete, the point he was making (I think) was that he felt they (Widows) should be the EXACT same price, since they cost the same amount to make, whether they were x-outs or not, and they should be "worth" the same amount. If you follow that logic, then he should be selling his two raspberry saws for the same price, since they cost the same amount to make, regardless of 15 or 16lb. That is how I took it. Like I said before, get what you can for something. If Beans can get $399 for one, more power to him, I have no problem with that, they're his after all. It still doesn't make the ball "worth" $399, it means there's a sucker who is willing to pay $399 for one. Completely different concepts, really.
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Link: http://www.msusbc-maine.org

BeansProShop · « **Reply #45 on:** December 08, 2008, 03:38:27 PM »

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It's the exact same reason as the BW example he stated. One is $399 because people are willing to pay more for #15. Just like people are willing to pay more for a bowling ball that isn't an x-out or blem. I think you misread or misunderstood what Beans was talking about with the BW's.

kidjete, the point he was making (I think) was that he felt they (Widows) should be the EXACT same price, since they cost the same amount to make, whether they were x-outs or not, and they should be "worth" the same amount. If you follow that logic, then he should be selling his two raspberry saws for the same price, since they cost the same amount to make, regardless of 15 or 16lb. That is how I took it. Like I said before, get what you can for something. If Beans can get $399 for one, more power to him, I have no problem with that, they're his after all. It still doesn't make the ball "worth" $399, it means there's a sucker who is willing to pay $399 for one. Completely different concepts, really.
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My blog: http://bowler2bowler.wordpress.com
Link: http://www.msusbc-maine.org

I am trying to comprehend what your logic is.

Mine is simple and I stated it before. The value of any item is only as high as someone will pay for it. Plain and simple. What is so hard to see about that.

Fine,
You don't think the ball is worth it. Don't buy it. Someone else might. I know one thing. I won't sell it for less so that is what it is worth to me.

When you publish your "This is what the MAINE MAN thinks its worth" book.

LMK I won't pay more than $1.00 for it...LOL!!

Beans
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