Post by: bigtimebowler1974 on November 28, 2008, 12:25:27 PM
Post by: triggerman on November 28, 2008, 09:25:08 PM
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Post by: Buzzhead on November 29, 2008, 07:51:17 AM
LOL. not poking fun at beans price just making a joke....
At least he did 2 weeks ago.....
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Post by: BeansProShop on November 29, 2008, 09:09:50 AM
I have a Nib 15 and 16 Black Raspberry C2
$299 shipped on the 15 and $179 shipped on the 16
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Post by: Roy Munson on November 30, 2008, 05:28:28 PM
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I do not have a pink.
I have a Nib 15 and 16 Black Raspberry C2
$299 shipped on the 15 and $179 shipped on the 16
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cough cough cough
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Post by: luv2C10falll on November 30, 2008, 05:34:04 PM
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Post by: bigtimebowler1974 on December 01, 2008, 10:36:48 PM
Post by: Roy Munson on December 02, 2008, 08:42:04 AM
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looking for the pink one
. . . COUGH COUGH COUGH
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Post by: Maine Man on December 04, 2008, 11:18:24 PM
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$299 shipped on the 15
No ball, I repeat, no ball is worth $299. Especially a seven year old Lane #1 ball. You need to be hit in the head with a tack hammer if you pay that much for ANY ball.
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Moores Pro Shop
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Post by: triggerman on December 05, 2008, 07:02:20 AM
quote:quote:
looking for the pink one
. . . COUGH COUGH COUGH
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 05, 2008, 10:59:02 AM
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Ahhh Disco Biscuits!
Post by: Roy Munson on December 05, 2008, 11:00:50 AM
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 05, 2008, 11:07:18 AM
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$299 shipped on the 15
No ball, I repeat, no ball is worth $299. Especially a seven year old Lane #1 ball. You need to be hit in the head with a tack hammer if you pay that much for ANY ball.
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Moores Pro Shop
Ball Driller / Consultant
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I tend to agree, but it all depends on what you're bowling. If it is just leagues, with no money, then ya not worth it. If it is a league where one high game pays out more than your ball cost, why not? I mean I wouldn't pay that much for a ball, but who's to say what is or isn't too much?
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Post by: Badger856 on December 05, 2008, 11:11:35 AM
Post by: BuzzsawCrazy on December 05, 2008, 02:50:42 PM
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In the bag:
16lb. Pearl Cherry C/2 (808 series)
16lb. Pink Rasberry
15lb. Pro Purple (804,802 series)
15lb. Enriched Uranium
15lb. Cobalt Pearl
15lb. G-Force
15lb. Super Carbide Bomb
15lb. Crystal Diamond
Post by: Maine Man on December 05, 2008, 06:30:15 PM
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I agree with Badger! The ball is worth it if someone is willing to pay for it.
Just because someone is WILLING to pay a certain price for something, doesn't mean it's WORTH that amount. It just means you found yourself a buyer dumb enough to pay what you're asking. Nothing against the person selling it for that price at all, if they can get $300 for a ball, more power to them, I still stick by the statement that no bowling ball is worth $300 or more. I hope cjbenavides fins what he's looking for, and at a reasonable price.
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Moores Pro Shop
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Post by: Roy Munson on December 06, 2008, 01:03:02 AM
. . . good thing Beans is offering $299 then ?
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Post by: Stormkid84 on December 06, 2008, 12:10:42 PM
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Roy, I think you should make that bigger, use some lights and a big sign or somthing.
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Post by: Roy Munson on December 06, 2008, 01:18:13 PM
. . . I think I'll stop coughing and put it to normal size
. . . happy?
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Post by: BeansProShop on December 06, 2008, 01:22:05 PM
Why do people pay $400+ for a driver that they don't even use on every hole?
Any item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Plain and simple.
I have sold dozens of rare gem balls for over $300 a piece. I got $750 for my last 15 lb. Pink Raspberry and $600 for the one before that.
It is usually people that can't afford luxury items that say they are not worth it. If you have $10 million and you want something bad enough that isn't easily accessable and you pay $1500 for something that originally sold for $250. Then that is what it is worth to that person.
Why leave money on the table? If someone is willing to pay for something at a higher price then you make more money correct?? If it doesn't sell you lower the price..
Beans
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Post by: Roy Munson on December 06, 2008, 01:29:46 PM
. . . wow, Beans
. . . in that case . . .
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Post by: BeansProShop on December 06, 2008, 02:26:34 PM
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Post by: Maine Man on December 06, 2008, 02:43:08 PM
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It is usually people that can't afford luxury items that say they are not worth it.
Buddy...I have more luxury items than you could imagine, so that has nothing to do with it at all. I have more disposable income than most, but I still wouldn't pay over $300 for any bowling ball, it's just a waste of money. I am saying if you are willing to pay more than $300 for a bowling ball (especially a ten year old Lane #1 ball), you need to get your head examined, period. Nothing against the seller, if you can get $1,000 for a bowling ball, the more power to you, I have no problem with that. But WANT and WORTH are two different things, which is a concept lost on you apparently, which is the point I was trying to make in my previous post. Geesh, get over it.
Sorry if I don't bow down the the mantle of ancient buzzsaws and think they're all worth $12,000 NIB apiece, to me they're just old bowling balls worth no more than they were when they were released. Maybe they should have MAP pricing on those to ensure people aren't getting screwed.
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Moores Pro Shop
Ball Driller / Consultant
USBC Blogger
Post by: zeusjr on December 06, 2008, 02:57:10 PM
quote:
But WANT and WORTH are two different things
The more you WANT something the more it's WORTH... Seems they go together to me..
Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 06, 2008, 06:08:18 PM
quote:quote:
But WANT and WORTH are two different things
The more you WANT something the more it's WORTH... Seems they go together to me..
False. The more you want something, the more you're willing to pay for it. The worth of the item remains unchanged.
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Post by: zeusjr on December 06, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
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The more you want something, the more you're willing to pay for it. The worth of the item remains unchanged.
The more you pay for something the more it's WORTH to you.. LOL
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 06, 2008, 08:15:36 PM
You can easily get 500 for a 15 lb perfect spec Tour Power and that ball was a Power Line mid priced ball when it first came out.
Post by: BeansProShop on December 07, 2008, 03:27:45 PM
quote:quote:
It is usually people that can't afford luxury items that say they are not worth it.
Buddy...I have more luxury items than you could imagine, so that has nothing to do with it at all. I have more disposable income than most, but I still wouldn't pay over $300 for any bowling ball, it's just a waste of money. I am saying if you are willing to pay more than $300 for a bowling ball (especially a ten year old Lane #1 ball), you need to get your head examined, period. Nothing against the seller, if you can get $1,000 for a bowling ball, the more power to you, I have no problem with that. But WANT and WORTH are two different things, which is a concept lost on you apparently, which is the point I was trying to make in my previous post. Geesh, get over it.
Sorry if I don't bow down the the mantle of ancient buzzsaws and think they're all worth $12,000 NIB apiece, to me they're just old bowling balls worth no more than they were when they were released. Maybe they should have MAP pricing on those to ensure people aren't getting screwed.
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Moores Pro Shop
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The ball sold for $319.95 Brand New 10 years ago. I am selling it at a discount.
Beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 07, 2008, 03:31:14 PM
It is the same tool.
If somebody pays $100 for something. How that not what the ball is worth???
If you tell me something is worth $500 but I can only sell it for $100 then it is worth $100.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!
beans
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Post by: mikeywg on December 07, 2008, 06:51:45 PM
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Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 07, 2008, 07:21:35 PM
quote:quote:
The more you want something, the more you're willing to pay for it. The worth of the item remains unchanged.
The more you pay for something the more it's WORTH to you.. LOL
Exactly, thanks for making my point for me. Personal worth is not the same as the actual worth of the item.
Let me give you an example. Let's say I have a dime where the head was double-stamped. Such error coins are extremely rare because the mint catches most screw ups before they enter circulation, but it's impossible to catch them all. And because double-stamped coins are so rare, collectors are willing to shell out a bunch of money for them.
Let's say a numismatist contacts me and offers me $2,500 for this dime (depending on various factors, this offer wouldn't be unheard of). Does that mean I can now take my dime, go to Best Buy, and purchase a 50-inch flat screen TV with it? Ummm, no. The dime is still worth ten cents. Just because some dude that collects rare coins thinks it's worth $2,500 doesn't mean that's the worth of the item. It's still worth all of ten cents.
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Edited on 12/7/2008 8:22 PM
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Post by: Roy Munson on December 07, 2008, 08:56:10 PM
. . . kool pics, mickey
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Post by: BeansProShop on December 07, 2008, 09:38:16 PM
I am also a baseball card collector and had a card shop for a while. The price book reads that a card is "Worth" $100. I can't sell it for $100. I can only sell it for $25. THAT MAKES IT WORTH $25!!! Plain and simple. Or is it worth the .02 it took to make it??
Any product in this world is only worth what somebody will pay for it. What is so hard to comprehend about that?? What dictates worth?? What someone will pay for it.
Beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
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Post by: Roy Munson on December 08, 2008, 09:08:22 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_Jenny
. . . it was selling for 24 cents when it came out
. . . no person in his/her right mind should sell it
. . . over 24 cents - yeah right!
. . . let's see one sold for $977,500
. . . the other went for $825,000
. . . wow! a set of four for $2.7 million!
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Current Arsenal:
...Pearl Cherry Bomb
...Pearl Cherry C2
...Pearl Cobalt Bomb
...Tsunami
...Pearl H2O
...Pearl Emerald
...Pink Raspberry
...Pearl XXL
...XXXL
...Pearl Viper
...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
Post by: arcright7 on December 08, 2008, 09:18:44 AM
Don't get me wrong, i loved the raspberry c2, (one of my all time favorites) but i would not pay close to that for another one. There are too many other far less expensive, better made, equal performing choices out here. But if i could buy one and flip it for substantial profit i would consider it. I don't fault the seller for that. It's just ironic that the same seller has posted complaints on this board about online sales screwing pro shop profit. You can't have it both ways. There is another market of buyers as well who are alot less loose with their hard earned cash. They deserve the same value for the dollar that you have.
.........ARC7
Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 08, 2008, 09:20:10 AM
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. . . The Inverted Jenny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_Jenny
. . . it was selling for 24 cents when it came out
. . . no person in his/her right mind should sell it
. . . over 24 cents - yeah right!
. . . let's see one sold for $977,500
. . . the other went for $825,000
. . . wow! a set of four for $2.7 million!
Yep, and if you tried to mail your cable bill with this in the upper right hand corner of the envelope, it would be returned for insufficient postage.
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-Broadcasting Extraordinaire and Mensa Member Joe Theismann
Post by: Maine Man on December 08, 2008, 09:35:53 AM
Everything has a real and perceived worth. The real worth of something can be measured (well, by most of us, anyway) and the perceived worth can be paid by morons who think any Lane #1 ball made before 2000 should cost you one of your kidneys. I'm done arguing this, go ahead and pay $600 for a ball, and then I can watch you have a complete meltdown when it gets jammed out back and comes back like you resurfaced it with a pick axe.
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James Goulding
Moores Pro Shop
Ball Driller / Consultant
My blog: http://bowler2bowler.wordpress.com
Link: http://www.msusbc-maine.org
Post by: BeansProShop on December 08, 2008, 12:45:02 PM
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WORTH: the value of something measured by its qualities or by the esteem in which it is held.
Don't get me wrong, i loved the raspberry c2, (one of my all time favorites) but i would not pay close to that for another one. There are too many other far less expensive, better made, equal performing choices out here. But if i could buy one and flip it for substantial profit i would consider it. I don't fault the seller for that. It's just ironic that the same seller has posted complaints on this board about online sales screwing pro shop profit. You can't have it both ways. There is another market of buyers as well who are alot less loose with their hard earned cash. They deserve the same value for the dollar that you have.
.........ARC7
I certainly agree and stand behind the companies and website distributors screw the pro shop comments I have made. They are about current line product that is sold cheaper online than Pro Shops can but them for.
We are not talking about discontinued vintage balls that are limited.
It is two seperate cases.
Beans
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 08, 2008, 12:52:21 PM
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If my town tells me my house is worth 200,000 I am going to pay taxes on a house worth 200,000, even it it's worth more to me. I am not going to go up to my city clerk and say, well the house is worth 500,000 to SOME people, so I think I want to pay taxes on a 500,000 house, no matter what you guys tell me it's worth. The 200,000 is REAL worth, not PERCEIVED worth, two different things altogether.
Everything has a real and perceived worth. The real worth of something can be measured (well, by most of us, anyway) and the perceived worth can be paid by morons who think any Lane #1 ball made before 2000 should cost you one of your kidneys. I'm done arguing this, go ahead and pay $600 for a ball, and then I can watch you have a complete meltdown when it gets jammed out back and comes back like you resurfaced it with a pick axe.
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James Goulding
Moores Pro Shop
Ball Driller / Consultant
My blog: http://bowler2bowler.wordpress.com
Link: http://www.msusbc-maine.org
You have no argument. What is value judged by?? Money!
The value of anything is determined by what somebody will pay for it.
Just because you do not find the same value in a product that someone else does does not make it less valuable as a whole.
I personally don't think that 80% of bowling balls on the market right now are worth what they are selling for.
How can a distributor sell me a Black Widow Venom for $110 wholesale. Then send me sales about Venom x-outs for $65 and they even state in the flyer that there is nothing wrong with the ball.
Why is the same exact ball priced different? They are "Worth" the same. They took the same amount of money to produce.. Why is the Venom X-Out not worth $110 and vise versa??
If value is "ALWAYS" judged my a monetary number. It is only worth the number you can sell it for.
Beans
Please lock this topic as it was grodssly hijacked.
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Post by: Maine Man on December 08, 2008, 01:01:36 PM
cjbenavides, I found a couple on ebay, one for a buy it now price of $199, the other one for $399. Same ball, same seller, different prices.
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=raspberry+buzzsaw&_sacat=See-All-Categories
Beans, why is one selling for $199 and the other for $399? Shouldn't both balls be the EXACT same price, according to your Black Widow logic? Please explain....
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Moores Pro Shop
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Post by: Maine Man on December 08, 2008, 01:16:58 PM
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Post by: Kid Jete on December 08, 2008, 01:18:50 PM
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To get this back on topic:
cjbenavides, I found a couple on ebay, one for a buy it now price of $199, the other one for $399. Same ball, same seller, different prices.
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=raspberry+buzzsaw&_sacat=See-All-Categories
Beans, why is one selling for $199 and the other for $399? Shouldn't both balls be the EXACT same price, according to your Black Widow logic? Please explain....
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Moores Pro Shop
Ball Driller / Consultant
My blog: http://bowler2bowler.wordpress.com
Link: http://www.msusbc-maine.org
It's the exact same reason as the BW example he stated. One is $399 because people are willing to pay more for #15. Just like people are willing to pay more for a bowling ball that isn't an x-out or blem. I think you misread or misunderstood what Beans was talking about with the BW's.
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 08, 2008, 01:23:10 PM
Too much for me!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Maine Man on December 08, 2008, 01:31:18 PM
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It's the exact same reason as the BW example he stated. One is $399 because people are willing to pay more for #15. Just like people are willing to pay more for a bowling ball that isn't an x-out or blem. I think you misread or misunderstood what Beans was talking about with the BW's.
kidjete, the point he was making (I think) was that he felt they (Widows) should be the EXACT same price, since they cost the same amount to make, whether they were x-outs or not, and they should be "worth" the same amount. If you follow that logic, then he should be selling his two raspberry saws for the same price, since they cost the same amount to make, regardless of 15 or 16lb. That is how I took it. Like I said before, get what you can for something. If Beans can get $399 for one, more power to him, I have no problem with that, they're his after all. It still doesn't make the ball "worth" $399, it means there's a sucker who is willing to pay $399 for one. Completely different concepts, really.
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James Goulding
Moores Pro Shop
Ball Driller / Consultant
My blog: http://bowler2bowler.wordpress.com
Link: http://www.msusbc-maine.org
Post by: BeansProShop on December 08, 2008, 03:38:27 PM
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It's the exact same reason as the BW example he stated. One is $399 because people are willing to pay more for #15. Just like people are willing to pay more for a bowling ball that isn't an x-out or blem. I think you misread or misunderstood what Beans was talking about with the BW's.
kidjete, the point he was making (I think) was that he felt they (Widows) should be the EXACT same price, since they cost the same amount to make, whether they were x-outs or not, and they should be "worth" the same amount. If you follow that logic, then he should be selling his two raspberry saws for the same price, since they cost the same amount to make, regardless of 15 or 16lb. That is how I took it. Like I said before, get what you can for something. If Beans can get $399 for one, more power to him, I have no problem with that, they're his after all. It still doesn't make the ball "worth" $399, it means there's a sucker who is willing to pay $399 for one. Completely different concepts, really.
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I am trying to comprehend what your logic is.
Mine is simple and I stated it before. The value of any item is only as high as someone will pay for it. Plain and simple. What is so hard to see about that.
Fine,
You don't think the ball is worth it. Don't buy it. Someone else might. I know one thing. I won't sell it for less so that is what it is worth to me.
When you publish your "This is what the MAINE MAN thinks its worth" book.
LMK I won't pay more than $1.00 for it...LOL!!
Beans
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Post by: Maine Man on December 09, 2008, 06:57:44 AM
As far as the worth argument goes, here's my final word on the subject:
Don't argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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Edited on 12/9/2008 8:09 AM
Post by: Kid Jete on December 09, 2008, 07:01:03 AM
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cjbenavides, I hope you find what you are looking for at a REASONABLE price.
As far as Beans logic goes, here's my final word on the subject:
Don't argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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From what I have read you started the arguement. Now you're calling people idiots because they don't agree with you. That seems a bit hypocritcal to me.
Post by: Maine Man on December 09, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
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From what I have read you started the argument. Now you're calling people idiots because they don't agree with you. That seems a bit hypocritical to me.
kidjete, it's not hypocritical at all. I did not start the argument, I was personally attacked after giving my opinion on the subject, which started the argument. I was stating my opinion about worth when I was attacked by Beans, so I feel I have a right to defend myself, as you would as well I assume. I have given my reasons about the differences in the worth of an object, which others care not to agree with, and that's fine, I am dropping the issue. Take care, and bowl well!
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Post by: Kid Jete on December 09, 2008, 07:09:44 AM
Post by: Maine Man on December 09, 2008, 07:12:20 AM
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Just seemed to me you were forcing your opinion down their throats a little more than they were. I don't see anywhere in the post where you got attacked. You started the whole mess by bashing the price Beans asked then got your panties in a bunch when he attempted to explain himself. Oh well it's not my concern I can just see where Beans is coming from.
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Beans basically told me the reason I think old buzzsaws are overpriced is because I could not afford them (which made me chuckle if he knew how much I make). You can go back and look it up on page one, it's there, and before I had started arguing with anyone. Oh well, it's a dead horse now, time to stop beating it....
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Post by: Dan Belcher on December 09, 2008, 07:18:07 AM
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How much is something worth? This is a common question that both buyers and sellers have been haggling over for centuries. Worth, simply defined, is what someone is willing to give for something. Worth cannot be confused with an asking price, selling price, or buying price. Worth, put in plain terms, is a relative term applied to both an item or items and individuals involved in a particular transaction.
How many times have you heard somebody say, this "whatsit worth $5,000-so-and-so told me it was"! Being told something is worth a specific value is meaningless if the person doing the appraisal has no knowledge of the item itself or the market for it. Not even an auction is an indicator of true "worth," since many existing factors can alter a price many times over. I recall being at an auction in which a common pocket watch, easily purchased in many places for about $40, sold for over $3,000.00! Was that a true indicator of real worth, or simply an example of emotional siblings wanting the same heirloom from their family-with the purchase price merely being deducted from their inheritance proceeds! I doubt there was one more person on this planet that would have paid that much for the item-yet it was worth $3,000.00 to somebody. Unfortunately, when events such as that occur, others with similar goods mistakenly assume that they, too, can sell their similar goods for similar prices-and that is about as big of a mistake as is possible in the collectible business.
Real worth, from a professional appraisal perspective, is what you can assume you can get for an item under normal circumstances, based on the existing market demand and condition of the item itself. Historical association will add a certain premium to a targeted market as well, but sentimental value is basically meaningless, unless you are the prospective buyer.
Post by: Maine Man on December 09, 2008, 07:34:23 AM
That is a great quote you found, thanks for finding it.
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Post by: Maine Man on December 09, 2008, 07:58:41 AM
I am sorry I called you an idiot, that was out of line, and I shouldn't have resorted to a personal attack. Again, I am sorry about that remark.
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Post by: rackattack on December 09, 2008, 09:09:59 AM
A smart business man will use those things to his advantage.
He did not create the mystique and super loyal following that surrounds this company. He just uses it to his advantage.
The Lane 1 loyals wear their love on their sleeve for all to see.
Many seem to find Lane 1 ball ownership as a badge and post all their gear in their signature as proof of membership.
A rare ball such as the Raspberry would be seen as another jewel on the necklace of membership. I'm not sure it even matters how good the ball really is.
It seems to be enough just to be able to say you own/throw one.
This does not make sense to me or many other bowlers but it makes sense to them.
And that's all that matters.
Supply and demand.
They demand and Beans supplies.
The fact it cost more is part of the appeal.
Just good business.
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 09, 2008, 11:44:40 AM
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Beans,
I am sorry I called you an idiot, that was out of line, and I shouldn't have resorted to a personal attack. Again, I am sorry about that remark.
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Maine Man,
If I took everything that is written about me and towards me the wrong way I would never survive in this business. No offense taken. I do like to throw a jab or two myself to keep the pot stirring so I am guilty as well. The "can't afford" comment was a general statement and not directed at you at all.
Now leave me alone so I can sell this ball for $400.. LOL!!
Good day and happy holidays!!
beans
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Post by: Roy Munson on December 09, 2008, 07:19:23 PM
. . . group hug
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Post by: Maine Man on December 10, 2008, 05:16:36 AM
Is the Raspberry core the same as the Carbide/C? I thought it was, but I wasn't sure. If so, that was the best Lane #1 ball I ever threw, I shot 4 300's with that one! Let me know, thanks.
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 10, 2008, 07:44:55 AM
The difference was the inner nuggets were seperated and the Raspberry C2 core had the inner nuggets together creating a lower RG core.
Beans
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Post by: Maine Man on December 10, 2008, 09:30:59 AM
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