Author Topic: Really a dud? (Read 10509 times)

Gazoo · « **on:** June 28, 2009, 03:55:41 AM »

Video of 3 different bowlers throwing the Buzzbomb. Granted it is not hooking across 3 pair of lanes, but it does seem to hook and carry pretty well. Maybe it wasn't a dud after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTr8mMJN_I8
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zeusjr · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2009, 05:13:14 PM »

I had some good success with my Buzzbomb and would never call it a dud...
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2009, 05:44:57 PM »

Some balls work good for some people, others do not. I can show you a video of a Mo-Rich LEV-RG that makes it look like an absolute BEAST, yet when I tried one, it was a total flop FOR ME.

The BB worked good for some, but "flopped" for others. Trying to defend the ball against those whom it "flopped" for is a useless exercise in futility, because no amount of hystrionics is going to change the fact that it did indeed "flop" for those people.

Intelligent and informed customers will realize the fact that not every ball is for every bowler and not pass judgement on ALL Lane1 balls just from the experience of the BB.

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Gazoo · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2009, 06:30:05 PM »

Just alittle dry humor at the controversial topic of late.

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Steven · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2009, 07:28:44 PM »

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The BB worked good for some, but "flopped" for others. Trying to defend the ball against those whom it "flopped" for is a useless exercise in futility, because no amount of hystrionics is going to change the fact that it did indeed "flop" for those people.

Jug: Nobody has had issue with the concept that some didn't like the BuzzBomb. Actually, there isn't a ball on the market that isn't loved by some and loathed by others. Even the beloved Cell, one magazine's "Ball of the Year", has it's detractors.

The problem is labeling the BuzzBomb a total overall flop because a few vocal posters on this board didn't like it. The fact is that proshops that do reviews of balls from all manufacturers (i.e., BuddiesProShop, AverageJoesProShop) really liked it. Many posters here really like it. The three bowlers I know who have the BuzzBomb are happy with it.

For a sanity check, I pulled mine out and decided to use it in our PBAX league the other night. I waited until games 3-4 when oil had pushed down on Cheetah and most bowlers (including myself) were having problems with consistent recovery. I finished with a nice 258-236, mostly because of the backend dig I was getting through the carrydown. There was definitely nothing wrong with the ball.

It's easy for some to project their own individual experience with a given ball as universal to just about everyone. A few have done that with the Buzzbomb, and it's wrong. If someone can produce something more concrete to backup the 'universal dud/flop' label, I'd like to see it.
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Randy T · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2009, 07:50:59 PM »

I have seen it fit some guys style and others it doesnt work at all
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Monster Pike · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2009, 07:53:53 PM »

I'm gonna have to agree. This has been beaten to death.

I'm a Storm guy & right now my VG isn't my favorite ball in my arsenal. I will not blame the ball. I mostly blame myself or the conditions I've tried to use it on, LoL. The Gravity Shift isn't exactly doing me wonders either. But my Attitude Shift & Regular Shift are my go to balls... They are all assym but my Attitude & Shift have a higher RG. Hence, that must be why those 2 balls match up better for my game. Don't know what the BB's stats are & what the detractors stats are, so that could be part of the reason. Who knows? But I wouldn't call a ball a "flop" or "dud" because I don't match up well w/it.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2009, 08:09:46 PM »

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The BB worked good for some, but "flopped" for others. Trying to defend the ball against those whom it "flopped" for is a useless exercise in futility, because no amount of hystrionics is going to change the fact that it did indeed "flop" for those people.

Jug: Nobody has had issue with the concept that some didn't like the BuzzBomb. Actually, there isn't a ball on the market that isn't loved by some and loathed by others. Even the beloved Cell, one magazine's "Ball of the Year", has it's detractors.

The problem is labeling the BuzzBomb a total overall flop because a few vocal posters on this board didn't like it. The fact is that proshops that do reviews of balls from all manufacturers (i.e., BuddiesProShop, AverageJoesProShop) really liked it. Many posters here really like it. The three bowlers I know who have the BuzzBomb are happy with it.

For a sanity check, I pulled mine out and decided to use it in our PBAX league the other night. I waited until games 3-4 when oil had pushed down on Cheetah and most bowlers (including myself) were having problems with consistent recovery. I finished with a nice 258-236, mostly because of the backend dig I was getting through the carrydown. There was definitely nothing wrong with the ball.

It's easy for some to project their own individual experience with a given ball as universal to just about everyone. A few have done that with the Buzzbomb, and it's wrong. If someone can produce something more concrete to backup the 'universal dud/flop' label, I'd like to see it.
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And, conversely, it is just as easy for you to project your successful experience with a ball as universal, and that is just as incorrect. They cannot prove that the BB was a "universal" flop, but neither can you prove it a "universal" success.

In comparison to other Lane1 balls, the BB HAS had a few more detractors(for whatever reasons). I don't know why, but the ball SEEMS to be too sensitive to minor drilling differences, moreso than usual for Lane1 stuff, and I think THAT plays a big part in things. Lane1 customers are used to high quality, high performance, VERSATILE equipment. The BB hit two of those pretty squarely, but wasn't as versatile as users have become expectant of.

In the past, Lane1 has made some REALLY great stuff. The Silver Diamond ( worked for virtually ANYONE who drilled it), almost anything with a C/2 core was the same way, and those URANIUMS were great. The past great success breeds high expectations and, when those higher expectations aren't met, the perception can be failure, EVEN THOUGH IT ISN'T.

Like I said elsewhere, it is time to let the BB thing go and move ahead. Lane1 has moved ahead with great new stuff like the Agent Orange, the DYNAMO, and the Massacre, all of which SEEM to harken back to Lane1's heritage of strong, reliable, dependable, and VERSATILE equipment that works well for practically everyone who drills one up. Heres hoping that the new DYNAMO-X and GemStone are just as successful.

Lane1 really is a good company, and they try very hard to make great equipment. But, like everyone else, they will occassionally come out with something that not everyone will like or be able to use. The BB seems to be one of those creatures. For the guys who didn't match up well, let it go, it's not like they did it on purpose you know.
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Steven · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2009, 08:31:39 PM »

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And, conversely, it is just as easy for you to project your successful experience with a ball as universal, and that is just as incorrect. They cannot prove that the BB was a "universal" flop, but neither can you prove it a "universal" success.

Jug: The difference is that I've never claimed it's been a universal success. I've said many times

that I like the BB, and have showed evidence that others do too. But at the same time I've indicated that it's more of a special purpose ball. Take a heavy rolling core, wrap in in a heavy oil cover, and you have a ball made for a specific purpose -- heavier oil that most here don't see. Even when matched on the right condition, many bowlers do not have a release style that matches to the BB. One bowler I know with a BB hated it OOB, so he polished the crap out of it. It's now a good THS league ball for him.

Personally, for most conditions, I'll take a Dynamo over a BuzzBomb any day. But still, there are some conditions where the BuzzBomb is a better choice. When it's the right choice it's a very good ball.
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themachine300 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2009, 08:51:15 PM »

If you throw that ball over the virtual gravity, resurgence or cell, you are a fool
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2009, 08:59:12 PM »

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If you throw that ball over the virtual gravity, resurgence or cell, you are a fool

But, if it happens to be the correct choice for you at the time, you would be a fool NOT to throw it, wouldn't you?

I'll throw anything that will allow me to hit the pocket at the correct angle of entry, even an old plastic A.M.F. BOOGIE that I shot 290 with once. It doesn't matter what it says on the side of the ball, just what the ball does on a given condition.
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themachine300 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2009, 10:15:55 PM »

All i'm saying, imo from watching it go down the lane and watching the above mentioned going downlane, with a variety of styles, I stand by my previous statement
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JessN16 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 29, 2009, 12:49:46 AM »

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All i'm saying, imo from watching it go down the lane and watching the above mentioned going downlane, with a variety of styles, I stand by my previous statement
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I have this phenomenon occurring right now in my own bag. This Chainsaw everyone is having success with? It's the worst-performing ball I've drilled for myself perhaps ever. EVER. It does not match up for me, but we've got a guy in our house who has thrown more 700s with one than he has thrown 500s and 600s combined.

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themachine300 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 29, 2009, 01:39:11 AM »

lol no one around here are using chainsaws. Its hyroads and virtuals. I've seen the buzzbomb in action and I thinks its too strong for its own good. Similar to the fury, it rolls early and hits flat no matter how much volume of oil there is on the lane. If you think that this ball is a good as the cell, you're crazy
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themachine300 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 29, 2009, 01:51:01 AM »

And to add, you can get a pretty good idea about how a ball will work for you by watching some one similar to your style throw it, knowing the layout and surface prep and oil pattern/volume. It not going to work out everytime but for the most part, you can get a general idea
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