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Nicanor

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Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« on: March 17, 2008, 11:42:57 AM »
Lane 1 filled the balance hole and drilled a new balance hole in the strangest place.  Strange to me at least.  The balance hole was at the 5 O'clock position to the thumb almost opposite of the thumb 180 around the ball.  If you drilled straight through the thumb to the other side of the ball, the balance hole would be about 1 inch right of that hole.

I threw the ball and my bowtie was about 1 1/2 inches from the balance hole and the flare rings almost cleared the hole and most times did, barely.  But thats ok.The first few shots had the ball going staright, almost dead straight.  Then I threw the Cell and the Attitude Shift and they were covering the back end very well.  Pin is up on the Cell and Attitude Shift and below the ring finger on the Buzzbomb.  All surfaces ar about the same.

I noticed that i was trying to help the Buzzbomb hook and coming around the ball a little too far.  So I worked a little bit and got a deeper knee bend stayed under the ball and threw through the ball with fingers and the ball came to life.  Every time I came around the ball it skidded out and did almost nothing.  Stay behind the ball with a little side roll and fingers and the ball was vrey strong.  Never as strong as the Cell or Attitude Shift, but I believe its because of the difference in drilling.

I eventually tried a six step approach for the last 15 minutes with some friends that was video taping it on their camera and showed me the footage, and the Buzzbomb was reacting very strong on every shot.  I wish they knew how to send me the video, but they don't and I'm not smart enough either.  But even in the six step if I didn't get the knee bend and topped the ball the reaction was very limited.

So I'm not saying the ball itself is a dud with this configeration, but very difficult to use.  I know if I work on being more consistant with my release, this ball will work very well for me.

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2008, 08:33:34 PM »
How did the ball react compared to the way it was before..? =:^D

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 08:39:49 PM »
And did you ever try that release type previous to sending it back to Lane #1?
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Nicanor

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 10:44:10 PM »
Thank you for the questions.

The ball is still long and the hook roll in the ball is tremendously better then it was before Lane 1 moved the balance hole.  Ritchie stated that the ball was puking because of all the bottom weight.  I don't know how the weights ended up, but I can see that the ball is reading the break point a lot better.

When I threw the ball before I shipped it back to Lane 1, I tried about everything I could to get some reaction out of the ball.  I polished it with Bean's Secret Sauce, took back down to 4000 Ablaon, 2000 Ablaron and eventually 500 Ablaron.  I moved right, left, rolled the ball, spun the ball, threw it with higher speed and slower speed and I never seen the reaction I have now when it was drilled like it was the first go around.  As many times as I tried the ball, I should have seen some reaction with the ball even if I threw the ball a certain way by accident.  I mean, I was throwing the Attitude Shift and Cell back then also and with great success.

Ritchie asked me to call him after I threw the balll for a while and he is going to ask the pro shop to call him also before they drill the next Buzzbomb.  Ritchie had mentioned to put the pin under the bridge and kick the CG right.  but how much and where to put the weight hole is the question.

Great customer service and I can't get into how much the balance hole effects the reaction of the ball, but I can say where Lane 1 put this balance hole has given me some ray of hope that this ball will/can work for me.


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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2008, 10:08:55 AM »
I both agree that the ball is tremendously better and with the right release, which is way to exacting, I was getting a very good reaction.  The differnce in location of the balance hole must have helped.  Ron Clifton is coming to town next week and I'll ask him to help me with the Buzzbomb. I will work with the Buzzbomb again myself also.  I can see the potential without question.

With that said, did I mention I was throwing the Buzzbomb along side the Cell and the Attitude Shift?

Well while trying to work on a release tht would work with the Buzzbomb I would occassionaly throw the Cell and the Attitude Shift.  The Cell wsa very consistant for me and once lined up crushed the pocket consistantly.  The Attitude Shift didn't read the oil as well as the Cell and after moving right a couple of boards I was consistantly strong in the pocket.  So back and forth, Buzzbomb, cell, Buzzbomb, Attitude Shift and then fished the practice session for about 15 minutes with just the Buzzbomb. If I was carefull with the release and the ball speed i could get reaction from the Buzzbomb, but still not consistant.  I know if I keep my speed and release consistant to a fault, (no room for error)I could get a strong reaction out of the ball.  So now I say the ball has backend reaction, something it didn't have before, but why would I throw a ball in competition that had no room for error.

I think throwing the Buzzbomb in practice will help my game because it will force me to work on my consistancy, so when I throw my other bowling balls, I will be that much better. But in either ase, the Buzzbomb does not read the break point as easily as the Cell or the Attitude Shift.

I probably won't drill the second Buzzbomb until I work with Ron and then talk to Ritchie.


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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 11:57:39 AM »
I guess the question I'm asking my self is, why would you want a ball that you have to completely change your normal release for it to work?  Maybe it's the drilling that doesn't match up but it's not fair to say it's because of a bad release.  The guys other equipment works for him.  Sounds like a ball issue to me.  I'm getting tired of some of the Lane #1 guys trying to blame the bowler because the ball doesn't work.  One of the characteristics of a good ball is that it's versatile and easy to drill up for alot of different styles.  It's pretty obvious this ball isn't even close to that.  It's had more complaints than any other ball that's came out in the last few months.  Blame the bowler all you want but at some point you gotta say this ball just doesn't match up to alot of players, not matter the drilling.

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 12:02:24 PM »
Maybe the ball just doesn't match up well with his game.  I like Lane#1 balls but, there have been some that I didn't match up with well and just don't throw.  Can't that just be a possibility?  I don't think the ball is bad, jus doesn't match up well.

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 12:10:41 PM »
I'd sell the 2nd B-Bomb and recoup your investment in the first one (before too much bad publicity goes around and you can't give them away) and chalk it up as a "push".  Then you don't feel so bad throwing a brand new high end ball only for practice.  

I agree with you.. if this ball is so sensitive to release that you literally have no room for error, I wouldn't want to throw it in league, let alone tourneys.  I'll have to admit, I was surprised you saw any noticible reaction by moving the weight hole.  I watched another BR member throw his BB this past weekend... it was terrible.  Looked as if he was throwing a ball with 100 games on it after being soaked in a 55 gal drum of lane oil for a week.  My best description for it would be "dead".  

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2008, 12:18:06 PM »
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I guess the question I'm asking my self is, why would you want a ball that you have to completely change your normal release for it to work?  Maybe it's the drilling that doesn't match up but it's not fair to say it's because of a bad release.  The guys other equipment works for him.  Sounds like a ball issue to me.  I'm getting tired of some of the Lane #1 guys trying to blame the bowler because the ball doesn't work.  One of the characteristics of a good ball is that it's versatile and easy to drill up for alot of different styles.  It's pretty obvious this ball isn't even close to that.  It's had more complaints than any other ball that's came out in the last few months.  Blame the bowler all you want but at some point you gotta say this ball just doesn't match up to alot of players, not matter the drilling.


Bingo...

If he's throwing the cell and the shift side by side getting a good reaction out of all of them EXCEPT the BB, then guess which ball is the turd.

I'm not saying the BB is a BAD ball, what I am saying is you got a BAD BB. It happens. Rather than sit there and struggle with the dam thing, get rid of it and call it a day. Drill up your 2nd one with the suggested layout and throw it. If the 2nd one still reacts the same way (which, I doubt) then you know that you and the ball itself have issues and it's just not the ball.

It's not rocket science..


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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 12:41:13 PM »
Maybe this thread will help people see the difference in arguments about CGNOMADAH.  Although the movement of the extra hole made a difference in the way the ball reacted, did it make the ball better to where he actually liked it?  From what I have read, no.  I don’t think this ball in general matched up well to Nicanor anyways.  From his comparison to the Cell and A.S. it looks like he was wanting something more flippier on the back.  I could be purely speculating though.

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2008, 12:49:38 PM »
how does the ball not roll over the wt hole on the bottom of the ball..isnt this ball supposed to flare alot..wouldnt the ball rolling over the hole affect the reaction some..
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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2008, 12:52:24 PM »
Bingo was his name!!!!!!!


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I'd sell the 2nd B-Bomb and recoup your investment in the first one (before too much bad publicity goes around and you can't give them away) and chalk it up as a "push".  Then you don't feel so bad throwing a brand new high end ball only for practice.  

I agree with you.. if this ball is so sensitive to release that you literally have no room for error, I wouldn't want to throw it in league, let alone tourneys.  I'll have to admit, I was surprised you saw any noticible reaction by moving the weight hole.  I watched another BR member throw his BB this past weekend... it was terrible.  Looked as if he was throwing a ball with 100 games on it after being soaked in a 55 gal drum of lane oil for a week.  My best description for it would be "dead".  

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2008, 02:19:18 PM »
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It's going to barely effect it, if any at all....


If static weights have an effect on a ball, I'm not sure how anyone can argue that rolling over a weight hole wouldn't affect it as well.  Am I wrong in thinking that?

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2008, 02:54:41 PM »
well sorry that the few here seem to have gotten "duds"
we drilled in excess of 15 balls and every one of them do exactly what the people who bought them for wanted them to do, mine included.  I will say if i dont stay under it it skids, just like the other 8 balls I own

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Re: Received the Buzzbomb back from Lane 1
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 03:27:56 PM »
What did they have to say?