Post by: Nicanor on March 17, 2008, 11:42:57 AM
I threw the ball and my bowtie was about 1 1/2 inches from the balance hole and the flare rings almost cleared the hole and most times did, barely. But thats ok.The first few shots had the ball going staright, almost dead straight. Then I threw the Cell and the Attitude Shift and they were covering the back end very well. Pin is up on the Cell and Attitude Shift and below the ring finger on the Buzzbomb. All surfaces ar about the same.
I noticed that i was trying to help the Buzzbomb hook and coming around the ball a little too far. So I worked a little bit and got a deeper knee bend stayed under the ball and threw through the ball with fingers and the ball came to life. Every time I came around the ball it skidded out and did almost nothing. Stay behind the ball with a little side roll and fingers and the ball was vrey strong. Never as strong as the Cell or Attitude Shift, but I believe its because of the difference in drilling.
I eventually tried a six step approach for the last 15 minutes with some friends that was video taping it on their camera and showed me the footage, and the Buzzbomb was reacting very strong on every shot. I wish they knew how to send me the video, but they don't and I'm not smart enough either. But even in the six step if I didn't get the knee bend and topped the ball the reaction was very limited.
So I'm not saying the ball itself is a dud with this configeration, but very difficult to use. I know if I work on being more consistant with my release, this ball will work very well for me.
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Post by: T-GOD on March 17, 2008, 08:33:34 PM
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Post by: Nicanor on March 17, 2008, 10:44:10 PM
The ball is still long and the hook roll in the ball is tremendously better then it was before Lane 1 moved the balance hole. Ritchie stated that the ball was puking because of all the bottom weight. I don't know how the weights ended up, but I can see that the ball is reading the break point a lot better.
When I threw the ball before I shipped it back to Lane 1, I tried about everything I could to get some reaction out of the ball. I polished it with Bean's Secret Sauce, took back down to 4000 Ablaon, 2000 Ablaron and eventually 500 Ablaron. I moved right, left, rolled the ball, spun the ball, threw it with higher speed and slower speed and I never seen the reaction I have now when it was drilled like it was the first go around. As many times as I tried the ball, I should have seen some reaction with the ball even if I threw the ball a certain way by accident. I mean, I was throwing the Attitude Shift and Cell back then also and with great success.
Ritchie asked me to call him after I threw the balll for a while and he is going to ask the pro shop to call him also before they drill the next Buzzbomb. Ritchie had mentioned to put the pin under the bridge and kick the CG right. but how much and where to put the weight hole is the question.
Great customer service and I can't get into how much the balance hole effects the reaction of the ball, but I can say where Lane 1 put this balance hole has given me some ray of hope that this ball will/can work for me.
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Post by: Nicanor on March 18, 2008, 10:08:55 AM
With that said, did I mention I was throwing the Buzzbomb along side the Cell and the Attitude Shift?
Well while trying to work on a release tht would work with the Buzzbomb I would occassionaly throw the Cell and the Attitude Shift. The Cell wsa very consistant for me and once lined up crushed the pocket consistantly. The Attitude Shift didn't read the oil as well as the Cell and after moving right a couple of boards I was consistantly strong in the pocket. So back and forth, Buzzbomb, cell, Buzzbomb, Attitude Shift and then fished the practice session for about 15 minutes with just the Buzzbomb. If I was carefull with the release and the ball speed i could get reaction from the Buzzbomb, but still not consistant. I know if I keep my speed and release consistant to a fault, (no room for error)I could get a strong reaction out of the ball. So now I say the ball has backend reaction, something it didn't have before, but why would I throw a ball in competition that had no room for error.
I think throwing the Buzzbomb in practice will help my game because it will force me to work on my consistancy, so when I throw my other bowling balls, I will be that much better. But in either ase, the Buzzbomb does not read the break point as easily as the Cell or the Attitude Shift.
I probably won't drill the second Buzzbomb until I work with Ron and then talk to Ritchie.
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Post by: Kid Jete on March 18, 2008, 11:57:39 AM
Post by: pop_1 on March 18, 2008, 12:02:24 PM
Post by: Strapper_Squared on March 18, 2008, 12:10:41 PM
I agree with you.. if this ball is so sensitive to release that you literally have no room for error, I wouldn't want to throw it in league, let alone tourneys. I'll have to admit, I was surprised you saw any noticible reaction by moving the weight hole. I watched another BR member throw his BB this past weekend... it was terrible. Looked as if he was throwing a ball with 100 games on it after being soaked in a 55 gal drum of lane oil for a week. My best description for it would be "dead".
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Post by: OddBalls on March 18, 2008, 12:18:06 PM
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I guess the question I'm asking my self is, why would you want a ball that you have to completely change your normal release for it to work? Maybe it's the drilling that doesn't match up but it's not fair to say it's because of a bad release. The guys other equipment works for him. Sounds like a ball issue to me. I'm getting tired of some of the Lane #1 guys trying to blame the bowler because the ball doesn't work. One of the characteristics of a good ball is that it's versatile and easy to drill up for alot of different styles. It's pretty obvious this ball isn't even close to that. It's had more complaints than any other ball that's came out in the last few months. Blame the bowler all you want but at some point you gotta say this ball just doesn't match up to alot of players, not matter the drilling.
Bingo...
If he's throwing the cell and the shift side by side getting a good reaction out of all of them EXCEPT the BB, then guess which ball is the turd.
I'm not saying the BB is a BAD ball, what I am saying is you got a BAD BB. It happens. Rather than sit there and struggle with the dam thing, get rid of it and call it a day. Drill up your 2nd one with the suggested layout and throw it. If the 2nd one still reacts the same way (which, I doubt) then you know that you and the ball itself have issues and it's just not the ball.
It's not rocket science..
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 18, 2008, 12:52:24 PM
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I'd sell the 2nd B-Bomb and recoup your investment in the first one (before too much bad publicity goes around and you can't give them away) and chalk it up as a "push". Then you don't feel so bad throwing a brand new high end ball only for practice.
I agree with you.. if this ball is so sensitive to release that you literally have no room for error, I wouldn't want to throw it in league, let alone tourneys. I'll have to admit, I was surprised you saw any noticible reaction by moving the weight hole. I watched another BR member throw his BB this past weekend... it was terrible. Looked as if he was throwing a ball with 100 games on it after being soaked in a 55 gal drum of lane oil for a week. My best description for it would be "dead".
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Post by: pinspeaker on March 18, 2008, 02:19:18 PM
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It's going to barely effect it, if any at all....
If static weights have an effect on a ball, I'm not sure how anyone can argue that rolling over a weight hole wouldn't affect it as well. Am I wrong in thinking that?
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Post by: triggerman on March 18, 2008, 02:54:41 PM
we drilled in excess of 15 balls and every one of them do exactly what the people who bought them for wanted them to do, mine included. I will say if i dont stay under it it skids, just like the other 8 balls I own
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Post by: pop_1 on March 18, 2008, 03:27:56 PM
Post by: triggerman on March 18, 2008, 03:41:00 PM
time for the "he said she said!!"
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Post by: pop_1 on March 18, 2008, 03:55:52 PM
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gets popcorn ready
time for the "he said she said!!"
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on March 18, 2008, 05:54:51 PM
Mine is the so called bad drill LABEL, that I got used from someone saying it reacted to strong for them. Well I have now compared it to evry other ball that i own. the two strongest being Big Bang drilled 3 3/4x 4 the Buzzbomb drilled 4 1/4 x 5 1/2, and hawgzilla drilled 5.5x 5 it compared to the Big Bang the buzzbomb has just as much midlane roll with more backend snap, they are about even. And the big bang is a strong ball was my current oiler.
I hear that people with the label drill never got any sort of reaction. Even on light oil. Well I bowl on heavier than anything I have ever bowled on oil Pattern that is 45ft in length, if you don't believeme you could come see for urself, and my ball hooks just like I was wanting. I was worried when I bought it becasue it was right at the time people were commenting on the label balls not hooking worth a darn. But to my surprise it hooked just as much as my current strong ball. So I am happy, and got anotyher one to drill stronger since my weak drilled one hooks as much as my strong drilled medium load particle ball.
I think all of you that are having these strange complications either have a problem with the way the ball was made which changed or made for a faulty ball. Or you are just completely not on the right condition. I have seen formyself what it can do with the so called crap drill. Oh and this is my first Lane#1 ball other than a Liberator, and i ain't on no wagon, I am still to this day a huge lanemasters/Legends fan. But now I have found another company I like just as much.
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Post by: Nicanor on March 18, 2008, 06:33:55 PM
I don't know if CG matters, but without a question the placement of this balance hole made a big difference in this ball.
With my bowtie about an 1 1/2 away from the balance hole, most of time time I missed the balance hole completely but barely. Only once in a while I would hear then see that I rolled over the balance hole once.
I agreed to send it to Ritchie, he offered the ball back to me and I didn't know I was getting a free ball at the time. He just wanted to see the ball, weigh it and look at my track. When I talked to him he said I had way too much bottom weight (3/4) and offered to plug the balance hole and find out where the best place was for the balance hole should be. He only asked that I threw the ball and gave it a fair assesment with the new balance hole. Thjat is why I am still working with this particular Buzzbomb.
But as some mentioned, if I wsa able to throw the Cell and Attitude shift with no problem getting the ball to hook, crush the pocket and be consistant, what was it about the Buzzbomb that made it look as though I was very inconsistant.
I will have a little time Thursday in a different house to throw the Buzzbomb and hope I get a more consistant read there. I seen the potential in the ball, its just way too stressful to throw the Buzzbomb especially when my other equipment is working so well.
I appreciate the feedback and the conversation.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 18, 2008, 06:46:03 PM
Post by: 302efi on March 18, 2008, 09:08:43 PM
Seems as if the ball has very little recovery at best. Different angles, lines ect...seems like nothing works. Hes had the shop shine and dull the cover a few times, but it all seems to do little.
Now I'm not a Lane #1 hater, I own many Buzzsaws and have a couple of honor scores and my high set with them...I really prefer the older Brunwick covered Lane #1 gear, but thats another topic...
The Dirty Bomb & HDB is always in my bag....
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Post by: J_Mac on March 18, 2008, 09:29:16 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on March 18, 2008, 10:04:55 PM
I, of course, have no empirical proof to support this but with all of the press it is getting and seeing what works and doesnt it seems pretty clear...
Lane 1 balls don't drill like other balls.....I've said it for years and this proves it again.
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Post by: Slopsurprise on March 18, 2008, 10:30:48 PM
That is a perfect formula for the ball to do nothing after 45 ft.
Post by: nowski1381 on March 18, 2008, 11:01:08 PM
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I have two friends who shot 4 300's between them in the first week of owning this ball! IMO it's not the balls fault.
It sounds like your driller totally missed the drill on this one. Or he doesnt know your game very well. I would have your axis located, then drill the most agressive layout. Then adjust the cover to fit your specific lane condition.
If this sounds too much... I'll give you 50 bucks for it!!!
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Post by: Nicanor on March 19, 2008, 12:28:19 AM
So other then K & K being a little concerned that Ritchie said it was the drilling that killed the ball reaction, I hope this didn't cause the owners of K & K to think Lane 1 or even I ws trying to say anything about their ball driller. The ball driller at K & K is outstanding.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on March 19, 2008, 08:01:36 AM
DO not call me a 15 year old for one, i am 21, no i am no bowling ball reaction expert, but I am no idiot, and have a good deal of knowledge in the bowling world.
Mezz i see your counting is a little off, I have a 4 ball arsenal, including spare ball, not 6 like you proclaimed. And the house i bowl at isn't your typical walled house shot, that i see evrywhere else I bowl. WOuld average in the 200's anywhere else in my area.
And what i know got you all huffy puffy was this "me and other people's balls hooks alot" yea pretty vague of me to say that, and could understand you saying it sounded childish. But what I was saying is their is such thing as getting lemons and that is what i think you people with Poor reactions have got, something bad with the mixes or just complete mismatch for style. I and others om here and around my area's balls react like we were hoping it would.
So don't try to call me an idiot because i typed a post, that was long overdue on mypart.
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Post by: triggerman on March 19, 2008, 10:03:26 AM
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Why is it that guys that sell and push Lane # 1 balls
all their people never have a problem?
Our league condition is fairly wet with tight backends and this person does not get a ton of revs.
I would say his rev rate is about 225 rpm and it DOES hit like a wet sock!!!
Edited on 3/18/2008 3:52 PM
Not saying everyone of my customers have been happey with the layouts, brickguy221 had issues with a layout we provided him and lane #1 took care of it, promptly I may add. If we put a drill on and the customer is unhappy we work very hard to correct it for them. not every ball lane #1 makes is spectacular for everyone. what I conveyed in my post was clearly "OUR" experience. This ball drilled too strongly is dead, its like taking a gun and pulling the trigger. I have a simple stack drill on mine, and it works very well on the condition I want it on, in box it outhooks most anything, withthe 1500 wetsand and polish, it is very long and weakish on the backend, but with 1500 wetsand and no polish, its money, hang it inside it holds, bounce it off the wall outside and its huge. oh on edit, I ended up putting a balance hole, 1.25 dia x .75 deep 1" down my val from pap and made this ball a much better reacting ball (IE it was over on side wieght and fighting itself, was quite visible down lane as you could see it wiggle and want to turn then it would just face the 3 pin)
hows is your friends drilled and whats his speed at the pins
wet plus tight backends equals very little hook
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 19, 2008, 11:36:53 AM
There is a good reason for the Buzzbombs being listed with no MAP's on ebay, that is between Richie and them nothing else i pmed you what happened but it is not my place to open air it here.
So call Phil or Ken and i am sure they will tell you details better than i even know, they want to make sure you are happy and if there is anything they can do to help you with the next buzzbomb if you wish to drill it.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 19, 2008, 12:23:36 PM
It was the location of the new weight hole, it took out weight block material and made the rg lower of course if will react a little different. If the diamond shape is best weight block design ever made how come Richie keeps redesigning it with flip blocks and nuggets inside of these??? Come on it's all hype BS get a clue about the marketing you are being spoon fed.
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I personally think this problem comes down to who drills your equipment.
I've seen BuzzBombs, including mine, hook an absolutely ton in oil and on the backend.. its quite an amazing ball reaction.
You need to be able to suit people with good layouts for equipment... and I think everyone is drilling them either too strong, or way too weak.
I've drilled about 8 BuzzBombs and I've heard of one that doesn't roll well, but the guy isn't very consistant and just kinda heaves down 10.. so I can understand that. All the other roll pretty well.. handle oil, have backend, and don't roll out, even on light oil conditions.
The shop is located in an older wood lane house with a medium oil pattern at best... and the ball still works for everyone there.
Match-up is so key with strong coverstocks like these, and without it, it's a long time of bad ball reaction.
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Post by: pop_1 on March 19, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
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I think there is dud batch and as usual in bowling business nobody admits to it, what company besides Storm has ever admitted to problem with cracking or any other issues??? Nodda a dang one of them, we all know there is bad batches we are not dumb if you admit defects then everyone wants a free ball. Lane 1 just prefers to blame on it's own customers the pro shop's, yeah that rights 3/4 of an ounce of bottom weight that makes the ball poop out hahahahaa what a crock of sh1t you are all being fed.
It was the location of the new weight hole, it took out weight block material and made the rg lower of course if will react a little different. If the diamond shape is best weight block design ever made how come Richie keeps redesigning it with flip blocks and nuggets inside of these??? Come on it's all hype BS get a clue about the marketing you are being spoon fed.quote:
I personally think this problem comes down to who drills your equipment.
I've seen BuzzBombs, including mine, hook an absolutely ton in oil and on the backend.. its quite an amazing ball reaction.
You need to be able to suit people with good layouts for equipment... and I think everyone is drilling them either too strong, or way too weak.
I've drilled about 8 BuzzBombs and I've heard of one that doesn't roll well, but the guy isn't very consistant and just kinda heaves down 10.. so I can understand that. All the other roll pretty well.. handle oil, have backend, and don't roll out, even on light oil conditions.
The shop is located in an older wood lane house with a medium oil pattern at best... and the ball still works for everyone there.
Match-up is so key with strong coverstocks like these, and without it, it's a long time of bad ball reaction.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on March 19, 2008, 12:43:38 PM
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See thats what i am trying to say. Something went wrong in the makeup of the coverstock and the balls aren't reacting the way they should. Like mrbowlingnut said noone is going to take the blame. There are good pours out there, and there are bad pours out there. I for one got a good poor, or atleast my used one I got lucky, don'ty know about the other NIB yet.
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Post by: OddBalls on March 19, 2008, 01:27:01 PM
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I think there is dud batch and as usual in bowling business nobody admits to it, what company besides Storm has ever admitted to problem with cracking or any other issues??? Nodda a dang one of them, we all know there is bad batches we are not dumb if you admit defects then everyone wants a free ball. Lane 1 just prefers to blame on it's own customers the pro shop's, yeah that rights 3/4 of an ounce of bottom weight that makes the ball poop out hahahahaa what a crock of sh1t you are all being fed.quote:
See thats what i am trying to say. Something went wrong in the makeup of the coverstock and the balls aren't reacting the way they should. Like mrbowlingnut said noone is going to take the blame. There are good pours out there, and there are bad pours out there. I for one got a good poor, or atleast my used one I got lucky, don'ty know about the other NIB yet.
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Post by: BeansProShop on March 19, 2008, 01:56:59 PM
Well I ask... Is this reason to call it a bad ball???
Lack of information led to this bad drilling layout....
I know that there are a ton of shops out there that just throw the pin above the ring finger with a CG kick and a hole... They never watch their customers bowl or find the PAP. These shops have access to the info and refuse to get it. This will lead to tons of bad reactions...
Also,
Why is it that Lane#1 is the only company to get bashed like this?? I've had balls from other companies(No need to mention names) lose reaction in less than a month. I've had balls crack while just sitting in a customers bag. I've had mismarked CG's and also mismarked Pins...If I had them....I know others had them too. Why not bash those companies???
Just curious......
Remeber the Classic Zone Red Pin... Do you think that was made on purpose???
Don't think so...
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Post by: triggerman on March 19, 2008, 02:04:24 PM
will be there this weeknd, maybe if you treat me right I'll let you guys punch me a new XXXL lol
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Post by: 302efi on March 19, 2008, 02:10:55 PM
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Also,
Why is it that Lane#1 is the only company to get bashed like this??
Because the hype that surrounds the gear and the prices.
Any ball that claims to raise your avg by 20% or hook twice as much and double your scores is going to be put under fire when they don't live up to expectations.
Selling balls with high hopes and promises, your going to have people just waiting and looking for flaws.
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Post by: T-GOD on March 19, 2008, 03:46:31 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on March 19, 2008, 03:48:07 PM
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Any ball that claims to raise your avg by 20% or hook twice as much and double your scores is going to be put under fire when they don't live up to expectations.
302efi....
Wow!!!! What exagerated statements. It's people like yourself trolling and stiring the pot by making statements like this as one of the big problems with this site.
Now to back up what you said and for all to see,.....
Show us where Lane 1 said their balls will raise your average 20%
Show us where Lane 1 said their balls will hook twice as much
Show us where Lane 1 said where Lane 1 said their balls will double their scores.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 19, 2008, 03:53:59 PM
Do you not think that your drillers and BR members not know that this Lane 1 corporate making all of the t-god posts???
Richie/Chuck/Barry just admit that you guy's have a few bad balls and stop blaming all of your customer's the pro shops for your dilemia.
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It seems odd to me that if there was a bad batch of balls out there, there would be a couple of hundred complaints all around the country. What I see here is that there are roughly 7-10 bowlers who haven't like the reaction for whatever reason. Is it the wrong drilling/layout for the bowler or is it a bad batch..? =:^D
Post by: 302efi on March 19, 2008, 03:58:13 PM
Did you even read the ad ?...I guess you didnt
http://lane1bowling.com/balls/buzzbomb.html
"creating double the hook on the backend"
"watch your High Scores double with the BuzzBOMB"
And the raise your avg 20% is from this Lane #1 TV commerical:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HStv2aILsE
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
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Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
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Post by: Steven on March 19, 2008, 03:59:50 PM
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just admit that you guy's have a few bad balls and stop blaming all of your customer's the pro shops for your dilemia.
What proof do you have that Nicanor's issues are the result of a 'few bad balls'? It would seem if there was truly a bad batch out there, you'd hear from more that just a few unhappy customers.
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Post by: OddBalls on March 19, 2008, 04:01:52 PM
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just admit that you guy's have a few bad balls and stop blaming all of your customer's the pro shops for your dilemia.
What proof do you have that Nicanor's issues are the result of a 'few bad balls'? It would seem if there was truly a bad batch out there, you'd hear from more that just a few unhappy customers.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on March 19, 2008, 04:17:11 PM
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I backed up everything I said.......OWNED
D*mn!!!!! #*&%#@*# ........
302efi....you are right...I have been owned with what I said....
Sorry for my troll comment. To my surprise, you were right in what you said. I had never previously seen any of the things you mentioned and just assumed it was another attempt by someone to degrade Lane 1 again. To sum it up, I just get tired of all of the crap that has been going on lately by both sides and keep telling myself that I am going to quit this site but I haven't done so.....yet.....Again sorry.
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Post by: 302efi on March 19, 2008, 04:22:08 PM
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I backed up everything I said.......OWNED
D*mn!!!!! #*&%#@*# ........
302efi....you are right...I have been owned with what I said....
Sorry for my troll comment. To my surprise, you were right in what you said. I had never previously seen any of the things you mentioned and just assumed it was another attempt by someone to degrade Lane 1 again. To sum it up, I just get tired of all of the crap that has been going on lately by both sides and keep telling myself that I am going to quit this site but I haven't done so.....yet.....Again sorry.
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No problem...at first glance it prob looked like what I was saying was crazy...but thats what the ad says....So now I kinda understand why people buy balls and get upset when they don't see the claims in their score or game, weather its the ball or their style.
...Apology aceppted...just make me some extra strong hurricane proof bricks/block for my new house down here in Florida !
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: Brickguy221 on March 19, 2008, 04:43:57 PM
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just make me some extra strong hurricane proof bricks/block for my new house down here in Florida !
lol....I could do that if I was still employed, but I retired 7 years ago in 2001. Sleep in every morning now...lol
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Post by: Mr Buzzsaw on March 19, 2008, 05:10:26 PM
quote:Are you telling me that all I've learned over the years drilling balls doesn't work anymore? That what I know doesn't mean anything?
Lane 1 just prefers to blame on it's own customers the pro shop's, yeah that rights 3/4 of an ounce of bottom weight that makes the ball poop out hahahahaa what a crock of sh1t you are all being fed.
Look what resin balls are doing to you. It's all surface and place the pin here and you're good to go. What do you actuall know about the science of ball drilling?
Maybe you should give someone a little respect for everything that I've learned and done for ball drilling over the years, which is a hell of a lot more than you've ever done, believe me. Actually, I'd like to know what you've done for bowling or ball drilling. Please inform me.
If you want me to go though my whole resume, just let me know.
Obviously you don't even use a scale when drilling balls or top of the line equipment. That's a shame and a dis-service to the bowlers. Do you listen to Brunswick or Ebonite when they tell you how to drill their equipment? If so, then why won't you listen to me when drilling my equipment? You believe that statics don't work, then keep drilling balls that puke. If you don't want to learn how to drill equipment from different manufacturers, than so be it.
We've sold thousands of these balls to pro shops all over the country and your pro shop is the only one in the country who's had problems with these balls, aside from a bowler here and a bowler there.
If I say/ask you to keep top weight in the balls and you don't listen and the ball comes out with bottom weight and the ball pukes, then who's fault is that..?
I'm willing to take those drilled balls back and replace them with new balls for you to drill with more top weight or with a different layout to prove to you how much it matters in our balls when you see them puking.
Maybe I didn't do my job with informing you good enough and I'm sorry for that. Nobody's perfect and I'll admit I make do mastikes at times. But like I said, I'm willing to make good on those mistakes and the balls.
Why don't want to take advantage of the offer? Is it because you're affraid that if the new ball turns out better, then it'll make you look bad? I'm sorry for that Phil. Is it you don't want to be bothered with learning about static weights?
If you would listen to me once in a while, you might learn something and we wouldn't be here in this situation.
Excuse me Barry for hijacking your thread.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 19, 2008, 05:18:32 PM
You hide under t-god and go after Brunswick all the time, you also are helpful alot to others about drillings. But you are a tool when it comes to statics, your video you made of you throwing ball well and then like crap about cg negative and positive was a big joke.
Why not admit that bashing your own customers/pro shops is just plain stupid for business reasons. You are so arrogant that bite off the hand the hand that feds you, i knew the real Richie would come out of the woodwork because you forgot all the heated pm's between me and you from about 3 years ago.
Edited on 3/19/2008 5:22 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 19, 2008, 05:29:42 PM
I do not blame Ken if never buys another product of yours again, i would get on the phone and kiss some big azz if you still want them after attacking poor Phil.
I am sure he is reading this post and they will make the correct decisions for being so rude and arrogant at Phil who is 100 percent innocent on anything here.
Post by: nextbowler on March 19, 2008, 05:44:02 PM
K&K and you are making them look stupid. They are not, you are.
Let Phil take care of himself, he is very capable.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 19, 2008, 06:01:27 PM
Am i making them look stupid or myself ??? Of course i know what you think and do not really care to be honest or Richie for that matter. They know my phone number and email if they have a problem i am sure there is call coming soon enough.
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Bowlingnut---Mind your own business. You are not a spokesman for
K&K and you are making them look stupid. They are not, you are.
Let Phil take care of himself, he is very capable.
Post by: lefty50 on March 19, 2008, 07:09:20 PM
Not to hurt any egos, but 98% of the buzzbomb owners don't live here or, like me, are so tired of the lack of response and BS on the board, we tend to stay in the shadows. The informative and objective posts are pretty much scattered among the sniping back and forth.
Bottom line: Not hearing it doesn't mean it's not a real issue. That goes for ALL companies, not just Lane 1...
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Post by: Steven on March 19, 2008, 07:31:15 PM
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I for one just got my BuzzBomb and am (at this juncture) very unimpressed with Lane 1. I saw another poster mention on the side that he saw a fellow league bowler struggling, and a few other posts that mentioned people with complaints in league.
The problem when reading about bowlers who have issues with the BB is that there are too many credible reviews that say the ball is the real thing. So I'm not overly impressed when I read a "poster mention on the side that he saw a fellow league bowler struggling, and a few other posts that mentioned people with complaints in league".
What does this 'he said, she said' tell me? Did this 'fellow league bowler' throw it on drier second shift conditions where it should have been left in the bag? Should this fellow league bowler be throwing any heavy oil ball at all based on skill and/or the ability to differentiate bad ball from bad matchup? You don't know the answers to those questions, but you should know the credentials of the shops that post videos and love the BuzzBOMB.
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 19, 2008, 09:04:14 PM
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Why would Richie want to kiss KK azz, screw em not like they are a big retailer.
Are you kidding me? Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
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Post by: lefty50 on March 19, 2008, 10:15:40 PM
Sorry to say that, but I just can't beleive kool-aid drinkers like you actually believe what you type.
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Post by: BeansProShop on March 19, 2008, 11:53:06 PM
As for you TheMezz...
I do not hide behind my screen name and cause problems and troll like you. I may spam a little but everyone here knows my name and where and how to reach me.
You have no guts to post your name or who and what you have ever done for this game....
I see what Buzzbomb does on this USBC Pattern and I also saw what it did at the regional this past weekend.
The bowler in 4th place with 773 at the USBC Open threw a plastic spare ball..
Is everyone going to drill one to come here and bowl becasue it is the 4th best ball in the tourney right now???
Mezz,
Why don't you go into the other companies forums and write how their balls crack and stop hooking and have mismarked pins and CG's????
Why???
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Post by: T-GOD on March 20, 2008, 12:43:17 AM
Post by: nowski1381 on March 20, 2008, 01:21:02 AM
Post by: nextbowler on March 20, 2008, 02:44:55 AM
all to this thread. They are being made to look bad by some big mouth who
has made all of the responses for K&K. They have remained above the fray.
Post by: GTX on March 20, 2008, 04:10:42 AM
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The same goes for GTX, T-God, and any of the other seed bowlers/sellers of lane#1 products.
hey crybaby .. oh I forgot, liar too .. nice qualities you have
I am still waiting on you to put your money where your mouth is to show my other screen names
seed bowler / seller !! LMAO
you don't know jack sh1t about me .. lol
but again, it is your quality, keep lying and crying .. this is what you're good at
it seems BigB is now "feeding" you some of their free balls !! you must cried really good to them .. I hope you did not get to kiss their azz too .. I wouldn't be surprised if you did it though I see the Barney group is visiting again with the miss
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 20, 2008, 07:29:05 AM
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Mr. Buzzsaw-
If you knew the BuzzBomb would puke with no top weight then why did you not make all the balls with heavier top weights to start out with?
My local pro shop ordered a few cases of Buzzbombs. Most of the balls were between 3.75 and 4.5 oz top weight.
So far, every one sold and used in this house has performed to the bowler's expectations. Most have been drilled with some variation of Label 1:30 or stacked. Most have been left in OOB surface as well. One high-rev player polished his, and one fluffer sanded his. I have only seen one guy throw it and have it puke. He is a low speed, medium rev bowler, and the shot is not heavy. He is just using too much ball...bad match-up.
As a side note...I am the only local guy with a rico layout, and mine is still working just fine.
Not taking sides here...just noting what I have viewed with my own eyes.
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Post by: Steven on March 20, 2008, 10:57:51 AM
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Steven, you are an idiot.
LOL. Nice way to start out a response to a post.
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Credible reviews? Give me a break. I for one will take the word of a Joe average bowler trying to make the ball work over a shill on the board any day, any time.
Use a little logic. Why would a shop like Buddies spend the time and energy to push a ball (from a smaller company) that will never be one of their volume leaders? If they just want to make as much money as possible, it would be easier to put out a cream puff review on the Cell and the masses will follow. Thankfully, they don't work that way. Their credibility on accuracy of reviews is far more important than selling a few 'duds' that will give them a black eye.
On the other hand, you'll read hearsay from a 'Joe average bowler' post that says his Bookie's ex-wife's boyfriend's brother overheard a bowler in a bar who said something called a BuzzBOMB is a dud. And then you'll take that as the gospel. Unbelievable. You better look hard in the mirror before you accuse someone else of being an idiot.
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Sorry to say that, but I just can't believe kool-aid drinkers like you actually believe what you type.
Lefty, 'kool-aid drinkers' like me actually use several pieces from Lane#1 (over time) and come to real world conclusions. We don't react to the whining, complaining, and idle gossip you love to embrace. I believe everything I type because it's based on real experience. You obvoiusly can't say the same.
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Post by: KDawg77 on March 20, 2008, 01:38:02 PM
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Post by: Rileybowler on March 20, 2008, 01:45:15 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 20, 2008, 02:19:49 PM
Sometimes we all will agree to disagree on stuff like static weights and placing holes in certain spots to change ball reactions. I have been under high stress lately shutting down a business and having to transition to another sales job. Also i have been looking for an online school to finish my management degree at 42 years old and being self employed over 20 years it is wake up call to say the least.
If i offended anyone even Richie i am sorry to do so and i am doing so on my accord i have not been asked to post this, i just sometimes get to caught up in the posts on here when really it is other stuff in life bothering me.
Post by: Dan Belcher on March 20, 2008, 02:29:23 PM
quote:Prove any of them are. Street goes both ways.
Prove any of those statements aren't true...
Post by: vilecanards on March 20, 2008, 02:47:57 PM
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 20, 2008, 04:07:13 PM
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I believe it is incumbent on the advertiser of a product to be able to prove any claims made about their product.... basically it is called "truth in advertising", and Lane#1 seems to be taking some liberties with that concept.
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Have you seen any weight loss ads lately?
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Post by: T-GOD on March 20, 2008, 04:24:23 PM
Post by: novawagonmaster on March 20, 2008, 04:26:16 PM
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How about those hair GROWTH ads..? lol lol lol =:^D
Those actually work.
I am thinking of changing my name to Chewbacca
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Post by: Steven on March 20, 2008, 04:42:15 PM
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Prove any of them are. Street goes both ways.
Dan: My hack average went from 220 to 234 after converting to Lane#1 equipment a few years ago. But the problem with these verifications is the usual response of "yea, but you probably just improved; Lane#1 had nothing to do with it". I've been bowling long enough (and with enough different equipment) to know the difference, so I'm not concerned with trying to 'prove' anything.
The naysayers are going to believe what they want to believe. Taking cheap shots at Lane#1 has become a sick sport for many here, so the attempted hits will keep coming....
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 20, 2008, 06:27:12 PM
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chris m and t-god are both horrible spokespersons for the Lane 1 brand. They have probably single handedly driven more customers away with some of their posts than anything else.
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This is why Chris's comments are closely monitered by his employer.
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Post by: nextbowler on March 20, 2008, 06:55:43 PM
Post by: T-GOD on March 20, 2008, 10:04:36 PM
quote:We now know the real reason they've driven you away. See below, taken from your profile.
chris m and t-god are both horrible spokespersons for the Lane 1 brand. They have probably single handedly driven more customers away with some of their posts than anything else.
quote:I'm quite sure Lane #1 doesn't give bowlers with your attitude free stuff. That's what drives bowlers like you away..!! Let's keep it real. =:^D
I throw whatever company sends me something for free