Author Topic: Red & Blue Massacre Death vs Curve (Read 1510 times)

lbss831 · « **on:** February 09, 2010, 10:41:34 AM »

Has any body had chance to throw these and how would u compare them?
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2010, 09:13:53 PM »

I think that triggerman can answer your question. If he doesn't see your post here, message him.
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2010, 09:30:32 PM »

What I have seen so far:

Red Death...hooks a lot....and I mean a lot for a ball that has a .038 differential. Cover takes surface changes easily, ball drills easily and reacts well all around if you stay away from label and stacked layouts.

Blue Death....my goto money ball for most league conditions. Excellent length, strong read at the breakpoint, strong backend motion and a great hit at the pins

Curve....much stronger reaction overall than the Blue death. Teh breakpoint of the Curve is much more angular than the Blue death as well. I switch to my Curve when the track area starts hooking too much. The angularity and overall hook of the Curve allows me to get deeper, rollt he ball off my hand and still have the hit I want.

In a summary, the red is your choice if the oil is heavier or you experience carrydown.

The Curve is the goto ball when you need the extra angularity and hook of an asymmetrical piece.

The Blue Death works it's magic in the realm of your typical house pattern. It's plenty strong but not TOO strong off the breakpoint.

I guess that about covers it....got questions? drop me a PM or email.
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lbss831 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:10:00 AM »

but isnt the Curve pose be for heavier oil as well and shudnt u be able to adjust surface to match red death
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absoluteisanidiot · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:06:38 AM »

Ibss831 the Curve is a pearl, by now we all should know that pearls are not for heavy oil.

triggerman · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:12:11 AM »

I have all three and all three are drilled identical 70 x 5.5 x 35
as doug has said the red handles the soup well, its not as angular as the curve or blue so it is better suited for heavier patterns the cover on this ball matches really well to core for heavy roll
My blue like doug has said is a money ball, I can move right and throw this ball up ten and find the pocket very easily, when i am swinging the red over 18 to the 8 I can take the blue move left and go 12 to 8 and find the hole as well, great compliment to each other
the curve i see more backend continuation, I can throw it on lines that I throw the Red death on, but it is longer so the chance of shooting past the break while deep inside is there. this ball for me fits right between the two, although it could handle the deeper lines as the shot drys up

If a guy wanted a two ball line up the red and either the blue or curve would fit, the curve remember is a particle pearl, its a low load particle too ,just enough to take some of the edge off, the blue is a true hybrid, and that really shows on the lanes, length of the pearl but enough solid to make it no over react, plus on carry down the blue really shines. All three of these are great balls, Ive averaged 228 over an 8 week period with the BD, and since I put the curve in I have not shot under 670 with it either. Really some great stuff coming out of lane 1 right now, any of those three balls are really good peices, people have really liked the curve around here, sold out all that we pre ordered very quickly
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Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:24:13 AM »

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by now we all should know that pearls are not for heavy oil.

The C-System 3.5 is a pearl and it's "for heavy oil."

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2010, 09:45:15 AM »

The C-3.5 is not a true pearl...but then neither is the 2.5. They both benefit from additives which make them behave more like a hybrid than a true pearl.

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Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2010, 09:50:02 AM »

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The C-3.5 is not a true pearl...but then neither is the 2.5. They both benefit from additives which make them behave more like a hybrid than a true pearl.

Ebonite Mission then...Or is that not a true pearl either?

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2010, 10:41:17 AM »

I see we have a problem here so I'll clear something up right now so we can get back on topic and the OP can get his answers....

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A HEAVY OIL BOWLING BALL!!!!

Bowling balls do not hook in the oil. Bowling balls require friction to hook and when oil is present there isn't friction so hook isn't happening.

Are there balls that have cores that make the ball change it's axis of rotation while it is in the oil? Yes there are.

Are there balls that change the axis of rotation of the ball faster than others? yes there are.

What makes a ball useful on a heavily oiled lane? The ball needs to change the axis of rotation from the bowler to an axis of rotation that matches up with the necessary entry angle at the pocket. In conjunction with the core changing the axis of the ball roll the coverstock must also be able to grip the lane.

Traditional dull resin and particle coverstocks gripped the lane with the traction generated from the sanding lines and the edges of the particles in the coverstock. The scratches and valleys between the particles in these balls allowed the ball to get into the lane (to borrow a NASCAR term) since the oil just filtered between the particles and through the scratches, much like the old Goodyear Aquatread commercials showed.

The new super-soft and tacky coverstocks and strong rolling cores (like the traditional Lane 1 Diamond core has historically been known for) lead to balls now that require less deep channels to get rid of the oil. Many smaller channels are doing the same job as a few bigger ones have done in the past.

You are attempting to compare apples to oranges to tangerines....all 3 are good for you but each has it's own benefit.

The coverstock on the Mission is not a pure pearl resin. The cover on the Curve is not a pure pearl resin. The C System balls are not pearl resins.

The stronger revving cores that Brunswick and Ebonite have put into the C systems and Missions are doing a better job at getting the rotational axis changed to the proper roll than they have in the past. The new coverstocks are just taking advantage of available friction down the lane better since the core has the ball set up to get into the pocket better.

If you oil the lane from foul line to the pins and throw identically drilled and prepped balls down the lane I doubt you will see much difference between any of these mentioned and a tropical storm.

Again...some balls have attributes that will enable them to work better than others on certain oil conditions for some people. However the ball that works great for bowler A on lane condition 1 may be a total flop for bowler B on the same condition.

There are no such thing as balls "made for oil" anymore....
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lbss831 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2010, 09:24:17 PM »

Thanks for all the feedback, now my next ? I haven't thrown Lane1 in sum years so was eager to try 1, now which 1 wud match up to the Mega Friction and be more angular on backend, I do have a Total Bedlum and a Pure Swing and I love my Mega as well and want to try a Zlane 1 I'm kinda leaning toward the Red Death I no it hooks more than the Mega but will it be more backend seeing that the #s are different on the differental and no I don't wana try a Mega Recovery or anything else but a Lane 1
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2010, 09:32:03 PM »

MegaFriction is going to be more hook than the Red Death IMO. Now the hook will all be earlier with a smoother backend. The Red Death will be later with more on the back.

My suggestion is to look into the Curve.....strong and continuous.
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lbss831 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2010, 12:21:42 AM »

Thanks Doug I was thinking that as well and just do surface adjustment if needed
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