Author Topic: SCB observations (Read 3642 times)

Belgarion · « **on:** February 23, 2004, 02:33:35 AM »

I know there has been a lot of talk about this ball and how much it hooks or doesn't hook. A buddy of mine has one and I have thrown a few games with it and I have a few observations to make about it.

This balls surface must match the conditions exactly for it to preform correct. If the ball is too dull the ball flares out too early and does nothing. If the ball is too shiny, it never finishes flaring and does nothing.

For instance, today I threw it for awhile. Fresh house shot, fairly heavy heads and about 38', clean backends. I used normal speed and a few more revs than usual just to see it in action. The ball is super polished and drilled around 4X4, and all it did was flare. It never really flipped over. However, when I took the speed down, it ripped on the back. Slower speed gave it the time it needed to finish flaring and make the move it wanted to. Normal speed, normal revs it had less overall movement and less midlane than a black buzzsaw/c. Slower speed it had more of both. If the cover was a bit duller, I believe it would have crushed the shot.

I have thrown it as low as 600 grit, and unless you are in 50'+ of soup, it is waaay too much ball and burns up. Add a little polish to that and its a whole new ball.

It is a very condition and surface specific ball. However, if you find the condition for the cover prep you have, you won't find a better ball. Its not a ball for people wanting hook in the box, but is one for those on heavy oil or want it to travel to tournaments with (just in case).

While this has probably been said before, I just thought people may want to see it again. Just my opinion...take it for what its worth

--chris

Belgarion · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2004, 05:57:07 PM »

Yeah, the one I was throwing definitly wasn't rolling out, becuase if I slowed it down with the same revs it would move great. Slow should equal roll-out faster and not backend punch.

but then again, I have to try real hard to get a ball to roll out

TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2004, 07:58:55 PM »

I just don't see It. This ball has yet to impress me in any kind of oil. The box condition is to weak to be considered a oil ball. Take the surface down and it does ok nothing spectacular. This is my second one that I have drilled and still cant get the ball to roll in the oil. The stupid flip blocks and high top weight because of the flip blocks make this ball erratic @ the end of the oil. Buy @ your own risk. Please come back with the c/2 core with this cover. A tall core for a heavy oiler, WTF not such a good idea. I have been asked several times about how much this ball is hyped and over rated as being a heavy oil ball and pretty much agree. I guess I am getting tired of the B.S. the statement a lot of people seem to have in common is you must have oil in the heads or else. No kidding you pretty much half to have oil in the heads for any ball to be effective it doesn't mean this ball hooks a ton or is a heavy oiler because it rolled out in burnt up heads!!!
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T-GOD · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2004, 08:35:21 PM »

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The box condition is to weak to be considered a oil ball

The box condition is 35 micron sanded. How much stronger can you make it..? It's like charcol now..!! A Uranium core with a sanded cover/or the same cover will probably hook earlier, but will that make it better for oil..?

Tech, what are you looking for in an oiler..? =:^D

TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2004, 09:04:08 PM »

MIdnight scorcher was and is the best out of box as advertised oiler. I didnt mean to say the box cover was weak but meant to say or point out the core & cover was a weak matchup sorry for the confusion.
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Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2004, 04:08:39 PM »

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I just don't see It. This ball has yet to impress me in any kind of oil. The box condition is to weak to be considered a oil ball. Take the surface down and it does ok nothing spectacular.

The SCB is a high load particle ball. In box condition, dull, its probably not going to do anything spectacular. My experience is a strong arc reaction... If there really is a flood. Otherwise it burns up by the time it reaches the arrows....

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This is my second one that I have drilled and still cant get the ball to roll in the oil. The stupid flip blocks and high top weight because of the flip blocks make this ball erratic @ the end of the oil. Buy @ your own risk. Please come back with the c/2 core with this cover. A tall core for a heavy oiler, WTF not such a good idea.

Have you ever looked at the rg and diff data for the cores? Directly from Lane#1 website:

Super Bomb Cores 15lb:
RG Max: 2.56
RG Min: 2.49
Diff: 0.071

C/2 Cores 15lb:
RG Max: 2.55
RG Min: 2.52
Diff: 0.035

Looking at the numbers, appears (at least to me) that the Super Carbide Bomb Core has a lower average rg and a much higher diff. I don't see how the c/2 core would perform any better in heavy oil. Its been stated a few times on here that some people don't match very well with the bomb cores, but based strictly on the numbers I think the super bomb core is the best choice, hands down, for oil.

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I have been asked several times about how much this ball is hyped and over rated as being a heavy oil ball and pretty much agree. I guess I am getting tired of the B.S. the statement a lot of people seem to have in common is you must have oil in the heads or else. No kidding you pretty much half to have oil in the heads for any ball to be effective it doesn't mean this ball hooks a ton or is a heavy oiler because it rolled out in burnt up heads!!!

What? One of the strongest covers and strongest cores ever combined and this ball is not a heavy oiler? I'm a bit confused there...

Sure, any ball is susceptible to burning up in the heads. I've thrown on conditions where polyester balls burnt up in the heads... But in general, the stronger the ball (core/cover) the sooner the ball will expend energy and the sooner energy loss in the heads will be noticed.

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TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2004, 04:57:32 PM »

What is it about speaking ones mine that makes these lane#1 freaks so offended.

We can look at numbers and this and that all day but if it doesnt work it doesnt work. The scorcher is the best oil ball I have ever thrown, do you want to look at its numbers. 2.58 rg .038 diff looks pretty close to the c/2 core must be something to this. When you say strong core and cover I agree but it doesnt mean that they are a good match nor does it mean strongest core period. I think the morpheous cores are some of the strongest if not the strongest. I will agree that some people will have problems matching up with the bomb core "not me" i just dont like to see a ball rev its nuts off and skid all the way down to the end of oil line and then jump violently to the left. I can get inexspensive reactives to do this. I did however get this thing to finaly arc and move early for me, I used it on lanes that had not been run for the day and had left over oil from the league the night before just not very much or not as heavy as useual. I will say it again and we can argue or debate this for ever but I will not recommend this ball for heavy nor med heavy oil but medium oil I would. If you are talking out of box of course.
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golfnutFL · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2004, 08:22:09 PM »

Tech,
You will not find any ball, anywhere, that is more of a heavy oil ball than this one. I agree that it may not match up for you, but I respectfully disagree with everything else that you've said about this ball.

nd300 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2004, 08:41:39 PM »

Tech---------If you don't like it I will be glad to take it off your hands for $50.
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TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2004, 07:38:14 AM »

Just my observation and alot of others as well. They just dont come out and say it but the first chance they get they are wanting to unload it on to someone else.

You can find a better oil ball out of box that out does this one leaps and bounds. I think the key word here that you people missed is OUT OF BOX.
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Edited on 2/25/2004 8:35 AM

atomized · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2004, 08:57:47 AM »

Tech, you would use a highload particle ball with about a 350 grit surface on medium oil? I don't think so.

What Belgarion says I think holds some truth with most particle balls. I found it true with the Apex and the original Choas. Have not tried polishing the regular Super Carbide, as far as polishing and being a bit lane specific depending on the surface of the ball. Good point Belgarion.

TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2004, 09:23:21 AM »

I retract all my statements and say go buy a thousand of them I only tried to offer some insight into the lane#1 hysteria around this ball I am not here to bash but here to examine and report my findings. I never said I would use a 350 grit finish for medium oil. Whats a 350 grit anyways, 35 micron? Man this ball is awesome and I cant believe how much it hooks on dry lanes I have actually found a great dry lane ball that hooks like crazy. <~~~~~~ extreme sarcasm

I will crawl back into my hole and leave the experts to debate this stuff because a few idiots can not retain info they read or cant make since of it. I have been miss quoted so many times on just this one topic I figured I had better pull out.

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LeftE · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2004, 09:34:57 AM »

I like Lane 1 balls alot. Probably my favorite company, but I tend to agree with TECH SUPPORT on this one.

I know IceEm has once bowled a 700 with this ball, but I personally have never seen it work.

It always seems to hit soft, and the only time I have seen a flood for this ball to work, it never bit. This flood would have made Noah jealous.

A very condition specific ball. Usually rolls out on everything, quickly.

Steven · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2004, 11:23:20 AM »

TECH: You made a reasonable observation that I too have observed; Despite the numbers, the diamond flip block core with dual stacked mini diamond nuggets, and the 35 micron coverstock, the SCB does not perform as suggested. It's a good ball for medium/heavy, especially if you play a tight line, but for true heavy oil, the jury is out with respect to the SCB being 'king of the hill'.

Sometimes different core/cover combinations don't work as advertised, regardless of how things look on paper. Lane#1 has recently released a lot of new cover combinations wrapped around the same basic diamond core, and the reality is that some of the concoctions have not lived up to the hype.

But remember, you're in the Lane#1 forum; you're not going to get the open minded responses you might receive in the miscellaneous section.

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Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2004, 12:51:57 PM »

Naw... I wouldn't consider myself a Lane#1 Freak

... just a skeptical reader with a fair knowledge of Lane#1 equipment and what is does...
everyone is entitled to their fair opinion, but I'm not convinced. As a matter of fact, the ONLY reason (besides changing weights) I have ever seen a SCB being sold was due to the fact that it hooked too much, rolled too early, or there just wasn't enough oil to throw it. Can't ever remember hearing that a SCB was being sold because it didn't hook...

S^2
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