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Shaggy

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Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« on: July 20, 2006, 12:04:47 PM »
What are the differences between these two balls?  Will the Cobalt Solid replace the Hybrid Dirty Bomb?
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2006, 08:10:42 PM »
Buddies proshop has a preorder on the Cobalt Solid for $170 shipped, however the specs are not listed.
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2006, 10:02:12 AM »
Does anyone know if the solid cobalt is just a dulled version or a different type of cover?
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2006, 10:13:21 AM »
pearl covers and solid covers are different, not just surface prep.  if I have to guess the solid colbalt will have the same cover as the tsunami
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2006, 11:03:54 AM »
Now these are two I would like to get.  I had a Cobalt Bomb but got rid of it because I changed my span from a SE grip back to a normal grip.  I don't like plugged balls so I traded it in at the pro shop I use.

I'm going to get these two.  

I have a list of about 10 balls from a few company's I want to get and these will be in that list.
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2006, 12:48:33 PM »
The solid is the dull version but it is out of box 1000 polished, hook a little sooner then the pearl but same snap on the back, It just wont have the Pearl Cobalts length
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2006, 01:37:56 PM »
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The solid is the dull version but it is out of box 1000 polished, hook a little sooner then the pearl but same snap on the back, It just wont have the Pearl Cobalts length
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Well this sounds like a perfect two ball combo that could cover a wide varity of lane conditions.

Now drill them the exact same or different layouts?

The Cobalt Bomb I had was drilled with the pin at 5.5" above the bridge and cg kicked right to 1oz of side and no x-hole.  It gave a strong arc type reaction for me.  Very good ball.  However one heavier fresh oil it would slide past the workable break point.  This is right where that solid version would fit the bill.
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2006, 01:59:49 PM »
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The solid is the dull version but it is out of box 1000 polished, hook a little sooner then the pearl but same snap on the back, It just wont have the Pearl Cobalts length
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Well this sounds like a perfect two ball combo that could cover a wide varity of lane conditions.

Now drill them the exact same or different layouts?

The Cobalt Bomb I had was drilled with the pin at 5.5" above the bridge and cg kicked right to 1oz of side and no x-hole.  It gave a strong arc type reaction for me.  Very good ball.  However one heavier fresh oil it would slide past the workable break point.  This is right where that solid version would fit the bill.




Chitown, The solid cobalt should be a perfect fit for lane conditions that are med/hvy with some carrydown, I am curious as to what cover will be on the ball now that Brunswick has there new Reactive Octane coverstock, Its suppose to be there hybrid reactive coverstock, if not i would guess it would be one of the activator formulations. The Cobalt Pearl does have a hard time on lane conditions with carrydown as it will squirt by, Now on fresh backends it is a monster but as they carrydown its back in the bag.
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2006, 02:02:14 PM »
man mine was drilled identical and on a 36 foot pattern i could not keep it right of the 4 pin lol, it moved hard.  I added a balance hole and took the side down to 1/2 oz postitive and it thrived on the house shot.

on edit I spoke with the lane #1 guys today.  The cobalt cover is a pearl but is not a pearl of the tsunami, it is tweeked slightly (? not sure of that tweek)  the solid is just that a solid version of the pearl, it should be stronger then the pearl (earlier) so will fit the bill nicely
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2006, 03:37:37 PM »
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man mine was drilled identical and on a 36 foot pattern i could not keep it right of the 4 pin lol, it moved hard.  I added a balance hole and took the side down to 1/2 oz postitive and it thrived on the house shot.

on edit I spoke with the lane #1 guys today.  The cobalt cover is a pearl but is not a pearl of the tsunami, it is tweeked slightly (? not sure of that tweek)  the solid is just that a solid version of the pearl, it should be stronger then the pearl (earlier) so will fit the bill nicely


When you guys say a solid version of the pearl then there has to be something different then just a dulled version of the cobalt.  When they say a solid version of the same cover isn't that just a dull version?  If so then why not just dull down a cobalt bomb and then you would have a solid?  I thik there has to be some thing in the cover that makes it a little different than a dulled version?
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2006, 03:39:14 PM »
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man mine was drilled identical and on a 36 foot pattern i could not keep it right of the 4 pin lol, it moved hard.  I added a balance hole and took the side down to 1/2 oz postitive and it thrived on the house shot.

on edit I spoke with the lane #1 guys today.  The cobalt cover is a pearl but is not a pearl of the tsunami, it is tweeked slightly (? not sure of that tweek)  the solid is just that a solid version of the pearl, it should be stronger then the pearl (earlier) so will fit the bill nicely


When you guys say a solid version of the pearl then there has to be something different then just a dulled version of the cobalt.  When they say a solid version of the same cover isn't that just a dull version?  If so then why not just dull down a cobalt bomb and then you would have a solid?  I thik there has to be some thing in the cover that makes it a little different than a dulled version?


pearlizing is an addition of some additive to the solid version of the coverstock.  Makes the cover less elastic and thus a smaller footprint on the lane.

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PEARL/PEARLIZED
A type of ball surface that has an additive (mica) in the coverstock that stiffens the cover and causes a later reaction for the given coverstock base.
Benefits: good for when the heads are drier, good when you have to get deep due to increased recovery in the backend.


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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2006, 03:42:13 PM »
If I were to buy these two balls which is the best way to lay these two balls out?

1: Lay both balls otu the same.  Just let the covers sperate the oil handling capabilites.

2: Drill the soild version stronger than the pearl version.  Something like stacked leverage for the solid.  The pearl could be laid out with the pin above the bridge 5.5" from pap and the cg kicked right to like 1oz and no balance hole.

Which would you guys do?

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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2006, 04:01:27 PM »
Drill them both the same and they will be different, the pearl will hook later and the dull will hook sooner
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2006, 06:52:52 PM »
I personally would drill the solid pin under bridge or ring finger, this will promote an earlier start (which for oil you want) as the solid cover will still skid on heavier oil you need the imbalance in the core to help it turn that corner And what thfonz98 stated is right, pearl balls have an additive to the cover
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Re: Hybrid Dirty Bomb vs Cobalt Solid
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2006, 09:03:44 PM »
Well I personally can't use pin under drillings on symmetrical equipment because of my high ball track.  I also have little ball tilt so I don't have any problems getting a ball to hook in oil.  I really only have two layouts that I really like and have had the most success with.  So I would probably stick with those.

My favorite layouts are these two.

Pin above bridge in between the fingers(5.5" from pap) cg kicked right to 1oz and no balance hole.

Stacked leverage with the balance hole on my mid line 1" past my pap.

Now I could drill the solid with the stacked leverage layout and the pearl; with the long layout.  However I think I would rather get the same reaction shape and just let the covers seperate the oil handling capabilities.  I just need to pick one of my favorite layouts.

Ethier way I feel Lane 1 made a smart move buy making a solid version of the cobalt bomb.  For those of you who are reading this and don't own a Pearl Cobalt Bomb it's a reall good ball.  Very strong arc and gets great length and hits hard.

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