Author Topic: someone has worse ads than Lane #1 (Read 6354 times)

holland1945 · « **on:** April 21, 2009, 10:18:37 AM »

And it's Elite. The Red Alien "best ball ever made" according to a bowlersparadise.com email I received. They don't get brought up much, however, since no one (even here) takes them seriously - unlike Lane #1.

That's all.
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #31 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:39:55 AM »

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To me it's like saying cause you went to the car dealership and picked out all the options and colors you made the car...

NorCal: You appear to be living proof of the shambled California public school system.

Lane#1 designs their own cores. They figure out all the core specifics they want to achieve (RG's, differentials, flip blocks, etc.), and then work with 900Global to tweak cover formulations to get the desired effect. That's hardly a 'mix and match at the car dealership' exercise.

BTW, what Lane#1 balls do you throw again??

Yeah it sucks that I live in a liberal bleeding heart POS state, but now you are off topic...

I think Lane 1 doesn't really put much work into the cover formulations cause hey! They have the super magic diamond core! Why should they?!?!
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #32 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:44:37 AM »

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To me it's like saying cause you went to the car dealership and picked out all the options and colors you made the car...

NorCal: You appear to be living proof of the shambled California public school system.

Lane#1 designs their own cores. They figure out all the core specifics they want to achieve (RG's, differentials, flip blocks, etc.), and then work with 900Global to tweak cover formulations to get the desired effect. That's hardly a 'mix and match at the car dealership' exercise.

BTW, what Lane#1 balls do you throw again??

Oh yeah, if you have looked in the lane 1 for sale section recently I have sold a bunch of new and used lane 1 equipment. Have no desire to throw it. I even have access to a blueberry, no desire to throw one. Cause to me it's not just the core it's the whole friggin package!
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #33 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:59:57 AM »

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i know people who say your visionary balls suck,, i have never thrown them so i have no opinion on them,, if we like lane 1 thats our choice leave us alone so we can have productive conversations about the equipment we use and like .. thank you

I'm glad you have a product you enjoy. Now, where did I say lane 1 balls suck?

I'm trying to understand how just with lane 1 equipment is supposedly beyond all other ball companies and the core matters more then a cover.

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Steven · « **Reply #34 on:** April 22, 2009, 12:21:07 PM »

NorCal: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just trolling (this time), but maybe looking for answers.

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I'm trying to understand how just with lane 1 equipment is supposedly beyond all other ball companies

Those are your words -- they're not part of anything said in this thread. Take that chip off your shoulder and things will come easier.

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I'm trying to understand....... and (how) the core matters more then a cover.

I've read much about your experimentation on cover preparation. Nice work on what you've posted. I do a lot of experimentation on cover refinishing myself. So in that process, I'm sure you've found that there are many cover alterations you can do to get desired friction. The right amount of friction is one of the holy grails of what we're trying to accomplish.

As you know, with a versatile OOB medium reaction resin, you can do a lot. With the right prep, you can cover a good part of matching to 75-80% of lane conditions you see.

But what's missing in all that prep is achieving desired hook shape. I can usual play with the cover to get the appropriate friction characteristics, but hook shape is determined largely by core and drilling. Once you get the friction down (and assuming you know what you're doing), the right hook shape can be the difference between averaging 200 and 220.

Optimally, this all works in harmony together -- surface, core, drill. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. The Lane#1 diamond core puts it's own stamp on the hook shape. There are those of us who recognize it and use it to our advantage.

If you get the same from Visionary, all the more power to you.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:00:21 PM »

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Because it makes for good discussion.,.

All it does is create mud slinging and name calling. If that is what you think, then you definitely don't know what good discussion is.

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Look, if you can't handle someone who doesn't believe in the stuff that spread around here that goes down as the "truth" then I'm sorry.

It doesn't have anything to do with handling the truth. It is about going on and on and on and etc. like a broken record about a stupid subject to begin with, while it is never going to change anything. I feel sorry for you that you must live in such misery that you can't let it go.

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If you lost respect for what I'm saying, then again, I'm sorry.

Lost respect for you as a person as I once thought you were a really respectably nice person, but the things you whine about point out that I was wrong.

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But, that's not going to change what I feel is nothing more than snake oil promises and flat out fraud/deception on Lane#1's part.

I and am sure others also, are sorry you feel that way. I think you simply go overboard in looking at what Lane 1 says. It is no different than a car manufacturer saying a certain car will get 29 mpg highway driving and a person buys one expecting that and it only gets 26 mpg and never coming close to 29 mpg. I know as I own one like that, but I don't whine and moan the rest of my life about it.

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Everyone on this board supports these lies because (IMHO) that's the only way they can justify spending a premium price for a ball.

You don't seem to understand that if people want to pay a premimum price for a ball, then that is their business and money and not yours, so it is of no concern of yours.

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Seems common sense and the laws of nature quicly get tossed out the window due to the "special" nature of the miraculous diamond core.

I have yet to see where anyone has called the Lane 1 Core a "miraculous core", other than the whiners and trolls themselves. I formerly had an Enriched Uranium. In fact you suggested this ball to me for the condition I was looking for and you were accurate with your suggestion. That ball rolled and carried great and I loved it and it's core, but I don't call it a miracle core although it did roll really great for me.

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Yes, I've poked fun at all you Lane#1 folks. So what?

FYI, I do currently own 2 Lane 1 balls plus 5 balls from 4 other companies. My first out of the bag balls are currently 2 Ebonite not Lane 1, so I am not a "Lane 1 Folks" although I could have been 2 years ago with the EU and Solid Cobalt Bomb, 2 of the better balls I have ever had along with an AMF Heist.

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What would you like? To be like BBE where everyone is doing nothing but mutually back patting everyone for shelling out tons of $$ for a bowling ball who performance is mediocure at best (at least for me).

I would like for this site to return to a normal site full of informative, cooperative and get along-type people with no whiners and trolls like it was 5-6 years ago when I joined. It was always a pleasure back then to come to this site to ask questions, seek information, and get help with no whiners and trolls slinging their sh!t all over this site as they do today. If you have paid attention, you will note that their have been lots of informative-well respected people that have left this site because of what goes on today.
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Steven · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:23:03 PM »

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What would you like? To be like BBE where everyone is doing nothing but mutually back patting everyone for shelling out tons of $$ for a bowling ball who performance is mediocre at best (at least for me).

Inverted: Sounds like a plan to me.

Look, I just sensed the hair stand up on your back (I hope it was hair) when I mentioned 'unique' hook shape. I never said it was overt. It's subtle, but it's there never the less. Some might find advantage in it -- others won't. But denying it doesn't change the reality of it's existence.

You have a unique bowling style. It's the combination of the way you come around the ball, coupled with your slightly slower ball speed. Your ball doesn't get into a roll as fast as other techniques. I'm not passing judgement, because I can see conditions where you could eat the lanes up. But from a roll perspective, you're generally not going to get the full benefit of a heavy rolling diamond.

I bowl league with a guy who is similar in style to you (more exaggerated rotation), and he looks terrible with his Uranium. The ball just doesn't recover to the roll phase with any strength.

So for you, I can understand your perspective. But by no means are your conclusions universal.

Steven · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:47:05 PM »

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When did you see me bowl

Recently. In fairness, it wasn't for long. I'd need to watch you for longer stretches to talk beyond what I wrote. Honestly, with all your perspectives on Lane#1 brain washing, I had to get a visual to see why you feel as strongly as you do. I'll stop in again when time permits. I might even say hi....

Personally, I want your opinions and objectives. But it always comes down to kool-aid, and never allowing that there might be something to the Lane#1 thing.

bowlerdawg · « **Reply #38 on:** April 22, 2009, 10:10:19 PM »

spoooooooooooooooooky
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mrfox101 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2009, 09:02:23 AM »

I've been in an advertising related field for the past 23 years...and if I was the Marketing Guru at Lane #1...I'd be asking for a raise right now...A BIG ONE!

The entire thrust of advertising is brand awareness and to get people to recognize and talk about your product...for good or bad...
because if people are busy trying to talk down YOUR product...that means they're too busy to talk UP anybody else's...

Wow...the marketing guy at Lane #1 is worth his weight in GOLD!!!

And my next set of claims on the next ball would be just as out there and un-provable as I could put it!!!
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Steven · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2009, 11:13:43 AM »

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I've nevered condemed him for his opinion, just told him he was wrong..

So now, I'm pretty sure that he know I'm not some hack and do have some skills to know what I'm talking about and I was looking for intelligent feedback on my game. I check my ego at the door when someone trys to help me out. You should do the same..

Inverted: You have been respectful in making it clear to me that you think I'm wrong. I've tried to do the same with you, making sure that you understand that your 'double' wrong.

As far as your bowling, part of me wanted to be able to report back that you're a hopeless hack who uses ballreviews to fulfill unattainable bowling fantasies. Unfortunately, I can't. You looked to be fundamentally sound, you repeated shots, and you seem to have a good grasp of what you were doing on the lanes. You didn't kick the ball return or scream at your teammates. Yea, we have to work on your coming around the ball a little too soon

and work even harder on understanding the Lane#1 thing, but you're OK. As CRD once told me, you can be my ball caddy anytime.....

Steven · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2009, 11:49:40 AM »

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I really mean this. Please describe the unique hook shape that the diamond core gives you. How far down the lane it starts, what vector angles are involved, etc.

CRD: The 'unique hook shape' I see is a very subtle thing. There is no magic formula that I can provide for how far is starts down the lane. Also, I can't provide the math associated with what vector angles are involved. It's all variable anyway. The specific Lane#1 ball involved and the lane conditions in play are going to result in different looks.

The constant I see across their line-up is the relatively smooth transition from skid to hook to roll. It doesn't matter if it's a low-RG rolly piece, or one of the higher-RG pieces that have more of a skid/snap reaction. Again, it's subtle, but it leads to a predictability of reaction that for me has really improved my scoring. I really did go from a constant 220 THS to 230+ after transitioning to Lane#1 for most of my bowling. Not bad for a physically broken down guy whose bowling has seen better days. Posters like to poke fun at me for saying it, but the kool-aid really did work.

I've never said other equipment is not good. I still have a Columbia/Hammer/Ebonite arsenal that's larger and more diverse than most of the believers of those brands possess. There are some great individual pieces in those line-ups that have their place. I don't drink so much kool-aid that I don't recognize this.

bowlerdawg · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2009, 12:20:03 PM »

i disagree inverted to a point
you just group us all in the same category of 160 average bowlers is a weeee bit prejudicial

now having said that i do agree it does substantially help lower average bowlers, but whats wrong w/ that ?

it can give them confidence to actually put the time in to become better

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The constant I see across their line-up is the relatively smooth transition from skid to hook to roll. It doesn't matter if it's a low-RG rolly piece, or one of the higher-RG pieces that have more of a skid/snap reaction. Again, it's subtle, but it leads to a predictability of reaction that for me has really improved my scoring. I really did go from a constant 220 THS to 230+ after transitioning to Lane#1 for most of my bowling. Not bad for a physically broken down guy whose bowling has seen better days. Posters like to poke fun at me for saying it, but the kool-aid really did work.

If I could see any of this, I'd be swallowing kool-aide by the gallons and worshopping at the Diamond altar myself.

Unfortunately, I don't..but I have tried

Steven MAY have a point because I do track high and have an inverted track..BUT most of the people I see using Lane#1 and taking advantage of it's properties (if there is such thing) are generally low-rev bowler averaging about 160 - 180 who praise it to no end due to the fact that the strong core will rev early for them and given more "hook". For example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGt1-HU7HbU&feature=related

I really don't need more hook.
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holland1945 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 23, 2009, 05:51:46 PM »

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BD,

Please note I said MOST, not all and again, it's based on what and who I've seen use lane one equipment. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it

I believe that it's this type of bowler that Lane#1 balls help the most
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Those bowlers would be helped more by lessons and gym time though

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JessN16 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 23, 2009, 06:11:31 PM »

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I really mean this. Please describe the unique hook shape that the diamond core gives you. How far down the lane it starts, what vector angles are involved, etc.

There's nothing really tricky about Lane #1's hook shapes. From the Diamond core, it's heavy midlane, heavy roll, controlled breakpoint. I can get a similar look out of a lot of different balls (Brunswick Sidewinder most notably). I can also get this from certain balls from most other companies, too, but the consistency seems to be better with Lane #1, as does the carry due to, in my observation, less deflection in the pin deck (or more stability through the roll).

These balls do not do tricks downlane. For me, that's a good thing. It's fun to watch a ball go 90 degrees left but I can't score with that, as a general rule. Not consistently. The big difference for me is not in hook shape but the carry and lack of deflection.

Once you move to the Bomb core, though, things change. That core is more angular for me. Carry isn't nearly as good. Balls with that core are too condition-specific.

The WAS and Fusion cores are somewhat of a mix. More controllable than the Bomb, better carry than the Bomb, not as controllable as the Diamond and more in-deck deflection than the Diamond. The Doomsday core is very much like the Diamond but doesn't start up as soon. I have not thrown whatever it is they call the cores in the Chainsaw and Dynamo.

I don't need a lot of help to make a ball turn left, so the way the Diamond balls smooth out the edges is a big help to me. Plus I'm shooting far fewer corner pins than I used to.

Jess

Steven · « **Reply #45 on:** April 23, 2009, 06:38:28 PM »

Jess: Very good overall analysis. My experiences with the different Lane#1 cores are close to what you described. I can't say I found any single Lane#1 core uncontollable, but the Bomb core took some experimentation for me to get comfortable with.

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