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gunbunn19g

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Struggling Red Death
« on: January 15, 2010, 01:40:40 AM »
So iv'e bowled with my red death for about a month now and have been having some problems with it since the first cpl shifts.  From what i understand this should be a pretty aggressive ball and it is but i have absolutly no recovery on it.  It seems like i am leaving at least 4-5 washouts a night.  Of course i'm being stubborn and not making a ball change until its too late, but just can't figure out why i can pull out a 4 year old Black widow and walk up to the pocket so much better than my Brand new Red Death.  The only variable that i can see different between the RD and all of the rest of my balls is that the rest are all high flare balls, and the Red Death is only a 4.  Is this somthing that could affect this that i need to get used to a lil diff ball?  I have it layed out pin between the fingers and kicked out 45 deg.  I'm a med speed med rev player, does anyone have any ideas of what is wron or any suggestions to try thanx a bunch.
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icewall

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 09:51:59 AM »
sounds to me like a ball that is creating too much friction, using up too much energy early on.

seems like you answered your own question. if a 4 year old black widow has plenty of recovery then that tells me there is either not a whole lot of oil (be it in the heads or mids) and from what ive read the red death creates a lot of friction.

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Doug Sterner

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2010, 09:59:20 AM »
You have left out so much information but just off the top of my head I agree with icewall...it sounds like the ball hooking up too early and is rolling out.

We need more information.....

What does "pin between the fingers and kicked out 45 deg" translate into for a layout? If you have a PAP of 3-1/2" right vs a PAP of 6" right, this layout will do VERY different things.

Is there a weighthole?
Is the ball in box finish?
Are your other balls in box finish?
What kind of line are you trying to play?
How are the other balls drilled?
What type of release are you using? Up the back? Off the side?
What were the specs on the ball both pre and post drilling?

Too many variables you have left unaccounted for in order for anyone to make any kid of quality analysis.
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Roy Munson

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2010, 10:36:33 AM »
Here's my review on the Red Death, hope it helps.

http://www.bowlingballexchange.com/showthread.php?t=31856
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dougb

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2010, 10:49:00 AM »
I agree with icewall too.  If you're leaving washouts then you probably need to swtich to a ball with less surface, like your Black Widow.  My guess is you either need to take the surface down on the Red Death or keep it in the bag until you see enough oil to use it.  I had the same problems with my Agent Orange in it's OOB surface.
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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2010, 10:55:48 AM »
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sounds to me like a ball that is creating too much friction, using up too much energy early on.

seems like you answered your own question. if a 4 year old black widow has plenty of recovery then that tells me there is either not a whole lot of oil (be it in the heads or mids) and from what ive read the red death creates a lot of friction.

 


+1...Based on the experience I had with my newly drilled Red Death yesterday, without more information, I will have to agree with Icewall and Doug. My ball simply needed more head oil than what was on the lanes yesterday as they had not been oiled for 24 hrs. My Red Death would start hooking 10 feet past the arrows, thus not leaving much for the back-end. Dont let that lower flare fool you as that ball hooks plenty without more flare plus I dont have "much hand" either.

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gunbunn19g

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2010, 12:59:10 PM »
There is a weight hole, it is still oob, it has 3-4 inch pin and 2-3 oz top weight I'm not really great with all the drilling stuff but if i remember correctly the pap was 5 3/8 this probably looks stupid but...
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Roy Munson

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2010, 01:07:39 PM »
resurface your Red Death to 4k Abralon and if you have the Secret Sauce, apply it.
Let us know . . .
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gunbunn19g

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2010, 01:52:01 PM »
I don't have any secret sauce but I'll take it to 4000 and see what happens.  Thanks for all your help.
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gunbunn19g

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 09:32:59 PM »
Well I have had about a month on the Red Death since i took everyone's advice and took it to 4000.  Wow what a difference.  I had some other problems and kinks that needed working out as well, but after a couple of weeks of practicing and throwing the ball @ 4000 things couldn't be better.  I threw my highest series and game ever tonight 235, 235, 290 for a 760, stupid 4 pin! lol  The ball reads the lanes so good it's ridiculous.  Even as the lanes go through the nightly transition somewhere in the mid to late 2nd game some simple adjustments to the left are doing the trick and I can keep with the RD the whole shift.  Thanks for everyone's help on here. My RD and Lane#1 have gone from a ball and company i like to one of my favs.  PS the USBC made alot of changes with awards this year do they still give an 11 in a row plaque.  Just curious still havn'nt gotten my ring but getting damn close now lol.
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icewall

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2010, 09:55:09 AM »
really glad to hear we nailed the problem!

it can be frustrating with how aggressive some bowling balls are now. more and more i hear people say their high performance ball doesnt hook when really theres just not enough oil to get the ball to store energy for the breakpoint.
days of the super hook monster ball that hooks at your feet are gone. now companies are creating balls that only really need heavy oil in the heads as the balls still push pretty far thanks to design and abralon/sia air pads. it used to be that a hook monster meant it was the only ball that hooked during VERY heavy oil and since it didnt store energy the ball hooked very little.... but did so when nothing else would.

(in general) the balls of today hook in med/heavy to heavy oil but do so covering a large amount of boards due to the retention of energy and core design.

just remember people. if the ball is known to be aggressive, make sure you are using it for the right condition and that you have the right surface on the ball. like my ball driller/coach says "ball companies dont make junk balls I'm sure they all want to come out with junk and not make money *rolls his eyes*... buy the ball or similar ball to what you see others having success with!"
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Psycho

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2010, 10:41:32 AM »
You guys crack me up...If your leaving washouts, why not just move.
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The Stroke

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2010, 10:42:47 AM »
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You guys crack me up...If your leaving washouts, why not just move.


Psycho, don't you know that moving doesn't matter. Ending statics do.  He must just have had the wrong statics.
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OddBalls

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 10:49:41 AM »
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it can be frustrating with how aggressive some bowling balls are now. more and more i hear people say their high performance ball doesnt hook when really theres just not enough oil to get the ball to store energy for the breakpoint.  


Couldn't agree with you more..

This is actually a tough problem to spot if you're not experienced with how a ball should react.

Best piece of advice I ever got was from my pro shop guy who told me to always bring a benchmark ball and use it first. If this ball is hooking out of the building, your new aggressive oiler drilled 3 3/8 stacked leverage is going to be DOA at the pins.

This is classic when you said the your old BWS was hooking off the charts and the RD was DOA..


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OddBalls

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Re: Struggling Red Death
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2010, 10:51:05 AM »
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You guys crack me up...If your leaving washouts, why not just move.


Psycho, don't you know that moving doesn't matter. Ending statics do.  He must just have had the wrong statics.
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