Post by: gunbunn19g on January 15, 2010, 01:40:40 AM
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Post by: icewall on January 15, 2010, 09:51:59 AM
seems like you answered your own question. if a 4 year old black widow has plenty of recovery then that tells me there is either not a whole lot of oil (be it in the heads or mids) and from what ive read the red death creates a lot of friction.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on January 15, 2010, 09:59:20 AM
We need more information.....
What does "pin between the fingers and kicked out 45 deg" translate into for a layout? If you have a PAP of 3-1/2" right vs a PAP of 6" right, this layout will do VERY different things.
Is there a weighthole?
Is the ball in box finish?
Are your other balls in box finish?
What kind of line are you trying to play?
How are the other balls drilled?
What type of release are you using? Up the back? Off the side?
What were the specs on the ball both pre and post drilling?
Too many variables you have left unaccounted for in order for anyone to make any kid of quality analysis.
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Post by: Roy Munson on January 15, 2010, 10:36:33 AM
http://www.bowlingballexchange.com/showthread.php?t=31856
Post by: dougb on January 15, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 15, 2010, 10:55:48 AM
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sounds to me like a ball that is creating too much friction, using up too much energy early on.
seems like you answered your own question. if a 4 year old black widow has plenty of recovery then that tells me there is either not a whole lot of oil (be it in the heads or mids) and from what ive read the red death creates a lot of friction.
+1...Based on the experience I had with my newly drilled Red Death yesterday, without more information, I will have to agree with Icewall and Doug. My ball simply needed more head oil than what was on the lanes yesterday as they had not been oiled for 24 hrs. My Red Death would start hooking 10 feet past the arrows, thus not leaving much for the back-end. Dont let that lower flare fool you as that ball hooks plenty without more flare plus I dont have "much hand" either.
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Post by: gunbunn19g on January 15, 2010, 12:59:10 PM
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Post by: Roy Munson on January 15, 2010, 01:07:39 PM
Let us know . . .
Post by: gunbunn19g on January 15, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
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Post by: gunbunn19g on February 25, 2010, 09:32:59 PM
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Post by: icewall on February 26, 2010, 09:55:09 AM
it can be frustrating with how aggressive some bowling balls are now. more and more i hear people say their high performance ball doesnt hook when really theres just not enough oil to get the ball to store energy for the breakpoint.
days of the super hook monster ball that hooks at your feet are gone. now companies are creating balls that only really need heavy oil in the heads as the balls still push pretty far thanks to design and abralon/sia air pads. it used to be that a hook monster meant it was the only ball that hooked during VERY heavy oil and since it didnt store energy the ball hooked very little.... but did so when nothing else would.
(in general) the balls of today hook in med/heavy to heavy oil but do so covering a large amount of boards due to the retention of energy and core design.
just remember people. if the ball is known to be aggressive, make sure you are using it for the right condition and that you have the right surface on the ball. like my ball driller/coach says "ball companies dont make junk balls I'm sure they all want to come out with junk and not make money *rolls his eyes*... buy the ball or similar ball to what you see others having success with!"
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Post by: Psycho on February 26, 2010, 10:41:32 AM
Post by: The Stroke on February 26, 2010, 10:42:47 AM
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You guys crack me up...If your leaving washouts, why not just move.
Psycho, don't you know that moving doesn't matter. Ending statics do. He must just have had the wrong statics.
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Post by: OddBalls on February 26, 2010, 10:49:41 AM
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it can be frustrating with how aggressive some bowling balls are now. more and more i hear people say their high performance ball doesnt hook when really theres just not enough oil to get the ball to store energy for the breakpoint.
Couldn't agree with you more..
This is actually a tough problem to spot if you're not experienced with how a ball should react.
Best piece of advice I ever got was from my pro shop guy who told me to always bring a benchmark ball and use it first. If this ball is hooking out of the building, your new aggressive oiler drilled 3 3/8 stacked leverage is going to be DOA at the pins.
This is classic when you said the your old BWS was hooking off the charts and the RD was DOA..
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Post by: OddBalls on February 26, 2010, 10:51:05 AM
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You guys crack me up...If your leaving washouts, why not just move.
Psycho, don't you know that moving doesn't matter. Ending statics do. He must just have had the wrong statics.
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Forgot about that part..lol..
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Post by: ToiletLogCore on February 26, 2010, 10:51:06 AM
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but just can't figure out why i can pull out a 4 year old Black widow and walk up to the pocket so much better than my Brand new Red Death.
To answer Psycho's question. There should never be any reason to move. If one ball isn't working I should be be able to change balls and it'll strike. Same goes with drilling new bowling balls. It should strike from the same spot as everything else. I mean that's at least the conclusion I've drawn from all these House Shot Hereos on this lovely site, when it comes to "this ball isn't working."
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Post by: The Stroke on February 26, 2010, 11:04:00 AM
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shouldve bought a new hammer or better yet a gaucho-made brunswick ball p-system 8.0
Hi stonpncrank. you can't fool us, champ.
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Post by: stopncrank on February 26, 2010, 11:18:00 AM
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Post by: The Stroke on February 26, 2010, 11:20:12 AM
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As much as id like to take credit for that nice idea for a screename, im not like you Stroker Ace...only one account for me. Besides that, i dont have to hide behind another screen name like you do, oh im sorry i meant hide behind 3 screen names like you do, CHUMP
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Taking your lunch money, one strike at a time....
Are you still writing your "mini" review of the sharp noize, champ? last time i checked Mini didn't mean 17 paragraphs.
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Post by: stopncrank on February 26, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
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Taking your lunch money, one strike at a time....
Post by: The Stroke on February 26, 2010, 11:29:55 AM
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Toodles
Post by: stopncrank on February 26, 2010, 11:48:01 AM
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nice name stopnloft....i feel honored you use me in your user name...a true fan
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Post by: stopncrank on February 26, 2010, 12:07:36 PM
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First off, the surface of the ball is well down on the list of things that change ball reaction in the Bible of Lane 1. Secondly you should have ask T-God what the ending static weights should be in order get the desired reaction. Thirdly Stopncrank seems to know everything in every other thread on BR so just pm him.
hey stroker, cgsuksharryballsagna, and all the other 10 of your screenames...hell they would get a better answer pm'ing anybody, hard to get a straight answer for anybody in the Lane 1 forum...too bad you dont have cajones enough to do it in another forum...champ
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Post by: Adrenaline on February 27, 2010, 01:23:04 AM
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There should never be any reason to move. If one ball isn't working I should be be able to change balls and it'll strike. Same goes with drilling new bowling balls. It should strike from the same spot as everything else. I mean that's at least the conclusion I've drawn from all these House Shot Hereos on this lovely site, when it comes to "this ball isn't working."
Man, truer words were never spoken. So many bowlers today couldn't adjust hand position, axis tilt, speed, etc. if their life depended on it. No matter what ball brand they use.
Why move out of your comfort zone if you have the arsenal to stay right where you like throwing best? What's the point in owning all these damn balls!
On a serious note, not a Lane 1 bash, as I haven't had a chance to throw one yet. Based on these responses, am I to assume that the Red Death is a stronger ball than the Original Black Widow? I know 2000 to 4000 is a large difference in ball reaction, but I'm just curious, as I've been looking for a Red Death to try out.
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Post by: Adrenaline on February 27, 2010, 03:03:23 PM
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Why move out of your comfort zone if you have the arsenal to stay right where you like throwing best? What's the point in owning all these damn balls!
You contradicted yourself pretty good there.
Not really.
Some people own multiple balls to play multiple lines.
Some people own multiple balls to play a single line.
Either way, the goal is having an arsenal that allows you to adapt to the conditions. Whether that condition is a single line that keeps drying out, or multiple lines in different sections of the lane. The end result is the same, just 2 separate ways of achieving it.
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Post by: Steven on February 27, 2010, 03:13:46 PM
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I come from a different world. The goal for me is to adjust hand, speed, axis, etc. You know, actually bowl.
After trying multiple surfaces from box to 4000, I think I'm going to settle on 800-grit using Valentino Resurrection, and use the ball for tighter inside lines on heavier patterns. The ball is versatile with 4000, but it just doesn't read the oil as consistently as I'd like.
And how have your release adjustments worked for you throwing the Red Death? There has been a lot of discussion here about NIB surface vs. taking the cover up to 4000 abralon. Have you tried any of those to optimize reaction?
Post by: Adrenaline on February 28, 2010, 04:43:53 AM
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I come from a different world. The goal for me is to adjust hand, speed, axis, etc. You know, actually bowl.
Having an arsenal for different reactions, doesn't magically mean you don't have to know when to change balls. You don't get to stop paying attention to how your ball rolls or where it leaves the deck. You aren't magically allowed to miss your mark, or throw a bad ball. Accuracy, repetition and delivery don't disappear simply because you know to use a weaker drilling as an oil pattern breaks down.