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Equipment Boards => Lane #1 => Topic started by: Buzzhead on November 25, 2003, 07:01:02 AM

Title: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on November 25, 2003, 07:01:02 AM
OK I just picked one of these up and I am not pleased at all
with it. Span is a little off and there is more reverse pitch in the thumb
but I used to use that exact span and pitch in all my equipment.
what gives it hooks less than my Pearl Carbide Bomb.
I know it is not rolling out I know what that looks like.
I was playing right up 10 with it tonight.
It is drilled a bit differently.
All my current saws are drilled pin under and cg swung ceptin
my XXXL it is pin under cg in palm. Now this here supposed
monster is drilled pin above and between and cg stacked. Prolly like a
5x4 or so to me. I am going to redrill it this weekend, and if I don't like
it then I am gonna trade it off.

I took it and swung it out tonight and it left a big ole washout. I thought this damn ball was suppose to HOOK...
redrill and a bit of polish maybe.???
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on November 25, 2003, 10:08:28 PM
nope tonnage of oil in the middle and thats where I
was throwing it. I had to go to 10 to get it to hook and thats
the oil line in most of the houses around here and thats also the specific reason I traded for it. I done told ya I know what rollout looks like.


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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: tomtom123 on November 25, 2003, 10:29:15 PM
ask your lane man how many units of oil is in the middle it sounds like your burning up.
Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on November 26, 2003, 05:47:19 AM
If it is rolling out it is doing so before the damn
arrows as I can see a continous stronger movement
in the little movement I do get. It just does not hook that damn much.
I will repeat myself once
more, I know how to spot ball burnout.  



Can dump or sawmill answer and let me know if this may be the drilling.
I do throw the ball pretty fast.
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: SwiftravenWork on November 26, 2003, 09:15:19 AM
I have to agree with everyone else.  If you purchased it new, then the ball should hook out of the house.  The ball seems to be losing energy somehow in the heads.
Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: botelerc on November 26, 2003, 10:53:21 AM
I have a super carbide and a super carbide bomb, and the super carbide is stronger that the Bomb, but that is probably the way I have the two layed out. I have the SCB layed out with an axis leverage and  I think the Super Carbide is layed out, pin to the right of ring and a weight hole, don't remember the exact layout. But it is much stronger on oil.


Silky-C
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Curly on November 26, 2003, 12:16:07 PM
How much use has this ball previously had and how much are you expecting it to hook?
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Saw Mill on November 26, 2003, 01:55:47 PM
Clu... oops I mean Saw Mill Up!!!  Sent you a message Buzzhead.

Dave (aka mister C)
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: JCLives on November 26, 2003, 02:57:55 PM
I had the same problem at first. The ball hardly moved because it was burning up. I was even bowling in a sport league at the time. I applied Storm's Diamond polish to it and after that it came alive. I agree with what OnlyBuzzsaw said. This ball will not "hook out of the house" but it will hook when nothing else will. A couple weeks ago, one of the houses I bowl at had a problem with their lane machine. They couldn't clean the back ends so there was alot of carry down. I saw people throwing balls and not even hooking 2 boards. I pulled the SCB out of the bag and was hooking 10-12 boards with it. While everyone was bowling 400-500 series I was able to shoot 600-700 that week. Don't give up on the ball yet. Keep working with the coverstock. Best wishes.
Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on November 26, 2003, 04:17:27 PM
P JOHNSTON PLEASE DO ME A FAVOR AND TAKE A FLYING FREAKING LEAP OUTTA MY
TOPIC. I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU SO BUG OFF. I have numerous saws and I know this is probably a layout issue. I have pm'ed sawmill and will have some answers
tonight hopefully.
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Saw Mill on November 26, 2003, 05:47:39 PM
Buzzhead,


Still awaiting your message!!  I have church tonight from 7-8pm PST (CA), so I may need to get back to you then if you do not get to me soon.  I am at 760-947-2211, if you can call.

Dave
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on November 26, 2003, 07:38:49 PM
Dave, I did not think I was talking out my butt.
I will try what we discussed and let ya know.

And to all you guys, it was NOT rollout!!!
(just like I said)
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on November 26, 2003, 08:47:51 PM
I do video myself but have no means of uploading.
I have a few older clips that I may post if someone
wanted to host them. I have no clue as to how to do all that
hosting stuff.

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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Saw Mill on November 26, 2003, 11:15:59 PM
King,

I spoke with BH, and from the condition he described, it is not rolling out or losing energy.  He has average to below average revs, with above average speed (close to mine), and the 5 1/2 x 4 1/2 layout, w/pin above the bridge and CG almost in the center of palm, is a length layout.  

On top of that, he is using it in the oil, and thus it goes long and does not break where it should because of the revs vs speed ratio.  We discussed layouts, and I suggested a 4x4 or 4 1/2 x 4, with the pin even or below ring finger line, and the CG kicked right.  5x4 is too long for a person with his speed and not the revs to compensate.  He will stay in touch as to how it works.  

Dave
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Brickguy221 on November 27, 2003, 09:34:56 AM
How about 4 1/4" x 3 3/8" with Pin under ring finger and the CG in thumb quadrant of the ball? That is what has been suggested to me by Lane 1 on a Blueberry that wasn't working for me. I have low revs and 14-15 mph speed and Pins higher than ring finger won't work for me, regardless of whether they are beside and up by ring finger or over ring finger/bridge. I just got the ball redrilled yesterday and will try it sometime this week-end.




Edited on 11/27/2003 10:33 AM
Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Saw Mill on November 27, 2003, 05:07:55 PM
BG221,

Basically the 4 1/2 x 3 will be the same way.  He said he would keep us posted as to which layout he used, and how it worked.  I am sure he appreciated all the input, except PJohnson's.

Dave
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on November 29, 2003, 05:37:40 PM
It went off to the shop tonight.
I will keep everyone posted.
Next Saturday is when I am supposed to
pick it up.
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on December 01, 2003, 05:43:44 PM
I am going to tell him to drill it
4x3, one question though sawmill
what would 4.5x3 3/8th do?? just wondering.

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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: scottie on December 02, 2003, 02:05:20 AM
these balls are made to hook in the midlane...no ball hooks in oil..they all start to hook in the midlane and keep going to the pocket.this ball will keep going, but if anyone is judging it by a sharp turn at the break point,it will not happen.
keep the pin in to the ring finger and cg out and it will work fine.
to store more energy,use a light polish.this stops it being dead on arrival if the heads are burnt up.
these balls are a must f you are playing tournaments etc.
Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Saw Mill on December 05, 2003, 12:42:16 PM
PJ,

I am going to refrain from using the "I" word with you because it prob is not enough!!  You allow your mouth to make comments that you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about!! Forget the issue of who's Clump, I have already told you I have seen him throw in person, and he does throw THAT fast!!  Can you see where my irritation is, as you choose not to believe me, and I would not lie, especially about something so stupid as ball speed.  

You need to come visit me, and I will have Clump there, BUT you better bring some cash to back up your mouth, and by the way, do NOT count on going back home with ANY of the cash that you bring to back up your lips.  Take the whole trip to say goodbye to it, and tell it that it will go into Clump's bank account, as so many others have had to do!  I guess there will be no helping you, but I would ask that you stick to making "bold" comments and absolutes about what you have seen or can prove, because Clump has eye witnesses, and NOT all of them are Saw fans.

Dave
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Strapper_Squared on December 11, 2003, 05:46:44 PM
Hey there... I have a SCB and was experiencing the very same "phenomena."  The house I bowl at has a ton of oil, but the ball just didn't seem to do much...  Just as a test, I polished the SCB as much as I possibly could (ebonite particle polish, factory finish, then extender polish)...  took it out the very next week and it was like a totally different ball.  
For me, I think the dull surface (at the time was 800 grit sanded), even though wasn't rolling out, was burning up some energy in the heads and mid's...  by the time it got to the backend, it hadn't rolled out, but just didn't have much gas left..and as a consequence didn't hit very well.  The polish allows it to save up a litte more energy for the backends...  I would suggest trying the polish first, and then secondly the re-drill.
Good luck!

S^2
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Title: Re: Super Carbide Bomb.
Post by: Buzzhead on January 24, 2004, 10:54:14 PM
Reviving this from 4 pages down.

I Finally got er drilled up Today. I have not had a
chance to toss er yet but the drill pattern is probably
close to a 5x3 for me. Pin at 1:30 about 1/4" away from
the ring finger. Cg swung out toward pap about 1/2". I am going
to put a fresh 10 trizact surface on it before I throw it.
As well as dunking in degreaser.(hot water)  Anybody want to venture a
guess as to how this will work. (SAWMILL ESP) as we talked
extensively on this matter about 2 months ago.
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