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C-G ProShop-Carl

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Super Carbide vs Phenom
« on: January 02, 2004, 10:45:00 AM »
OK, a buddy of mine drilled up a Super Carbide Bomb tonight. I was fully expecting this thing to just hook over to the next lane. I was wrong. So we went in and sanded it down to 400scotchbrite. The Phenom was sanded 800 Scotchbrite.

Anyhow, the Phenom hooked about 5 boards more and the SCB was drilled leverage, CG stacked below. The Phenom was drilled 4(pin)x 4(MB), a strong drilling, but not as strong as the SCB. I was very disappointed in the performance of the SCB. The hit/pin action was not there either.

I guess I will see what it does after a little more use. The pattern being used was 42ft buffed to 45 ft. 6 board to 6 board. Heavy oil!!! So there is no way the ball was burning up.

Has anyone else had this ball and were just totally disappointed in it?

At this point, the Phenom is much stronger in HOOK, and HIT...and definately in pin action. My question so far with this ball, is why would someone buy one of these when they can get a Phenom for much less.....and get far better results?

NOW---before you lane 1 lovers start getting overly defensive, this is just my observation of 2 bowling balls thrown side by side. I am able to throw this guy's equipment and the results were the same with me throwing them, and I throw a much stronger ball than he does. Actually, with me throwing the SCB, I can say it does not hook as much as these balls I have: Anomaly, Fear Factor, Phenom, Phenom Unleashed, Element, Raging Inferno.

Should my opinion change, I will surely post back and let everyone know.
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Re: Super Carbide vs Phenom
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2004, 01:51:50 AM »
It's funny you bring this up, I haven't seen good results with anyone throwing the Phenom at all.  There isn't any pin action or hitting power at the pocket, and the hook is terribly over rated even in medium oils.

If what you say is true then the SCB must be an even bigger waste of money, especially coming at about $200.

I've never seen the SCB in action and I don't think I want to either, now that you mention it.

Maybe the Phenom Unleashed or the Anomaly but none of the others...
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Re: Super Carbide vs Phenom
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2004, 09:55:13 AM »
I think they should be tried with same surface!

I think Phenom is a little longer but just my opinion.

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Re: Super Carbide vs Phenom
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2004, 11:35:42 AM »
EX, if all those balls are out hooking the Super Carbide Bomb, then there isn't really heavy oil. Because on really heavy oil, balls don't hook. Plus, on heavy oil, you want to not hook the ball, playing straighter. Then, it's all about carry and scoring, not how much your ball is hooking. =:^D

C-G ProShop-Carl

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Re: Super Carbide vs Phenom
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2004, 11:54:08 AM »
I dressed the lanes, so I know there was alot of oil. The 2 (phenom and scb) were originally tried with the same surface. SCB just did not do the job.
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Re: Super Carbide vs Phenom
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2004, 12:47:28 PM »
Did all of the balls have the exact same layout? If not, then that is the reason. If they did, then I agree with T-God. You may have oiled them, but either the oil still wasn't heavy enough for the SCB or else you weren't releasing the SBC with a lot of forward roll.....And as T-God said, it's all about carrying and scoring and not how much your ball is hooking.





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Re: Super Carbide vs Phenom
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2004, 12:37:04 PM »
Ex and TGod:  I think you both know that everyone has a comfort zone with a lane condition, ball and its dynamics.  I don't presently own a Saw but have competed against many and like many other balls in the right hands on the right condition, they SCORE.   I have to agree with TGod, nothing hooks in oil, its what happens when a ball come out of the oil, revs up, stores up energy, adheres to the backend (dry, carrydown etc.) creating the proper pocket angle, that adds up to SCORE. No where in the equation does how much a ball hooks come into play.  Hook only helps create that pocket angle. EX, I am sure Mike Riggins would agree. I had a Carbide C that a good friend gave me that was drilled stack leverage that the span was the same so I just changed inserts.  I really couldn't find the consistent angle so I gave it to a young gun (I am an old -art!) and he shot 781 (299) in a tournament with it.  Same ball, same drilling, different bowler, different conditions.  I shot 300 in Sept.(Revmaster) and 299 in Dec (Inferno) and 290 Warp Zone. Three good games for an old man, three different balls, three different conditions.  Ex, I applaud you for doing all the research into equipment as this will make you a very knowledgable pro shop operator like Mike Riggins and many others.  There can never be to many as my local guy know my game and houses and really has never put a bad ball in my hand, some just work better than others but I am to blame for that as I understand the dynamics of some of my balls better than others.  Just two cents from an old bowler who wishes he were still as young as some of you young guns.  Good luck and good bowling to all!!!!

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Re: Super Carbide vs Phenom
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2004, 02:13:16 PM »
from my experience the SCB is 1000% stronger with some polish.  With as strong of a particle ball as it is, without polish even on oil it will burn its energy trying to turn early in the oil.  Add some polish to it and watch it move.