Author Topic: Taming the Cobalt Bomb breakpoint (Read 3754 times)

janderson · « **on:** May 09, 2006, 05:02:21 AM »

Has anyone attempted to use layout or surface adjustment to add some control to the skid/snap reaction of the Cobalt Bomb? If so, what did you do and how successful were you?

A little background on the source of the question: Some of my biggest success stories equipment-wise have been taking equipment that was advertised as strong skid/snap and using layout to create less snap and more hard arc. My sole experience with Lane #1 products has been two Blueberries. While they've won me much money, they don't have the core or cover of the more modern lane #1 stuff.

Thanks in advance.
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Retroman · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2006, 01:32:44 PM »

I think if you wait the ball out about 40 games or so it seems to mellow out some on its own, Thats what i have found with mine, It is more of a even continuious arc reaction then the skid snap it was out of the box.
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zeusjr · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2006, 08:49:38 PM »

http://home.comcast.net/~zeusjr73/Cobalt.jpg

My attempt @ semi-pin axis, I had to move the x-hole away from the CG to leave some power in the ball. This makes the Cobalt very smooth but yet very strong. It works very well when my Tsunami is to strong and even works well on dry conditions.

WillynHook · « **Reply #3 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:33:10 AM »

[sorry] triple post

Edited on 5/10/2006 9:32 AM

WillynHook · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:33:50 AM »

janderson...

I too am like you when it comes to skid/snap. I like to slightly tame
the snappy portion of the ball reaction a bit. I've linked an image of my
cobalt drilling that makes the ball hard arc rather than snap. Notice the
position of the pin, center of gravity and weight hole in relation to the
spin axis. (All the holes were carefully drilled so as not to drill into the bomb core).

http://faculty.salisbury.edu/~jwhoward/temp/cobalt_d.jpg

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:46:47 AM »

Generally, you can try to scuff the ball VERY lightly with a high grit pad to remove the polish and give the ball a sheen finish. This should make the ball less nervous at the breakpoint, while maintaining the overall reaction shape set up by the orginal drilling. The loss of length is negligible, especially on a pearl ball that is drilled for length.

Additionally, a weight hole on the PAP or slightly above acn help taming down the ball, but I'd let it be done in a pro shop to make sure static weights are O.K.
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2006, 12:16:59 PM »

Mine has tamed down a little bit after getting some game time on it. I had it drilled 5x5 stacked, and it was VERY flippy at first. Now it seems a little more controllable (and I am also getting a better idea of when to use it and when to leave it for a better ball option).
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janderson · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2006, 05:23:19 PM »

Retroman, Novawagonmaster - do you clean your equipment after each use? You've provided valuable information to take into consideration.

zeusjr - I've used both zero-degree, pin-on-PAP layouts as well as 145 degree layouts with the pin within 2 inches of PAP. That was my original plan for the Cobalt Bomb.

WillynHook - That's one of my favorite layouts. I used something similar with a medium size/medium depth weight hole on my PAP to tame the backend reaction of a Hammer Big Rig Diesel (which has also won me some major cash). However, I don't want to get the Cobalt Bomb too close in reaction to the Big Rig.

dizzyfugu - Good points. Have you done so with this particular piece of equipment?

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I had it drilled 5x5 stacked, and it was VERY flippy at first

5x5 is a big no-no for me, especially with equipment already designed for a skid/flip reaction. I already have two pieces of equipment setup that way for very specific conditions which I don't see very often.

Surface alterations after the ball is drilled are less expensive and less time consuming than altering layout.

Thanks for sharing.
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Retroman · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:18:48 PM »

quote:
Retroman, Novawagonmaster - do you clean your equipment after each use? You've provided valuable information to take into consideration.

zeusjr - I've used both zero-degree, pin-on-PAP layouts as well as 145 degree layouts with the pin within 2 inches of PAP. That was my original plan for the Cobalt Bomb.

WillynHook - That's one of my favorite layouts. I used something similar with a medium size/medium depth weight hole on my PAP to tame the backend reaction of a Hammer Big Rig Diesel (which has also won me some major cash). However, I don't want to get the Cobalt Bomb too close in reaction to the Big Rig.

dizzyfugu - Good points. Have you done so with this particular piece of equipment?

quote:
I had it drilled 5x5 stacked, and it was VERY flippy at first

5x5 is a big no-no for me, especially with equipment already designed for a skid/flip reaction. I already have two pieces of equipment setup that way for very specific conditions which I don't see very often.

Surface alterations after the ball is drilled are less expensive and less time consuming than altering layout.

Thanks for sharing.
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janderson, Ball is cleaned after every set, I have seen 2 of these at the house i bowl at mellow out some after 50 games or so, Retro
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:21:21 PM »

Yep, I clean all equipment immediately following every set.

I think I learned a lesson with the 5x5 drilling on this one (although it was AWESOME in the Toledo Inter-City tourney).
Next one will be drilled with a little more control in mind.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2006, 02:37:56 AM »

janderson - no, not with a Cobalt Bomb. But I made many surface experiments with TPC Player and an X-Factor RE-Loaded (both pearl), and currently have a Vicious Attack (solid) with a sheen finish that does wonders. I think it is generally a simple thing to try out, and just taking off the glaze can make a huge difference in ball reaction. I just cannot tell what it might exactly do on a CB.

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Cranking_Inferno · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2006, 03:37:45 AM »

try some Brunswick ruff buff polish.. it will let it read a little sooner and take the break point to a long hard arc.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2006, 03:46:56 AM »

Yes, that's another thing to try. Should yield some more length than a pure sheen surface. Good issue. Some other, high grit rubbing compound might work, too.
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janderson · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2006, 01:05:08 PM »

Watching the video for the cobalt bomb at:
http://lane1bowling.com/videos/

Perhaps I'm worried over nothing. None of that looks much like skid/snap to me, even with a layout that should produce snamp. Hard arc, yes, but only one of the shots really snapped.

Some of the obscene tugs were pretty entertaining too

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janderson · « **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2006, 05:45:41 PM »

Went with a drilling placing the pin 2 inches from the positive axis point (PAP) and placing the mass bias about 2 inches beyond my track (on the other side of the thumbhole). Basically a "low" 135 degree layout with the cg in the positive thumb quadrant adding a medium/medium weighthole on my center line about an inch inside of my PAP. I kept the box cover preparation.

I've now thrown it on both a 36 foot approximation of the PBA viper pattern and the 2006 USBC nationals pattern (39 feet).

Success! The ball makes a nice smooth transition from wet to dry, rolls up strongly, and just arcs and keeps arcing. I'd call it something between a "arc" and "strong arc", but you can see the ball rev up in the midlane. Great reaction.

Thanks for the suggestions, gang. Maybe I'll even do a review after I've got more games on it

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