Author Topic: Tested the new Dynamo tonight (Read 19290 times)

drillwizard · « **on:** December 16, 2008, 01:48:55 PM »

My boys took care of me again and sent me the super rare Dynamo test ball with no logos just plain black on black Johhny Cash style, with a silver pin.

This is the new Lane 1 ball coming out soon, its the Dynamo. My test ball is blank black with no logos at all. I only got to throw the ball about 1 game tonight cause the condition laid out in this league is way dry, I usually have to use my Chainsaw. But I wanted to play with the new toy. Anyways I punched it up 4 3/4 x 4 no weight hole. This tester has roughly a matte finish to it. I cant wait to throw this on some oil in this out of box state.

I could swing this ball and hook it a ton and still carry or take all the hand out if it and play it somewhat in the track area, and it still carried exceptional. I am going to put a high polish on it tomorrow and try it out again and will post back with the results. If I can get this thing to get like glass I think I can put some huge numbers up with it.

I have a feeling this will have a real good chance to take ball of the year honors, with this cover and core combo.

Cant wait to see the final logos and product, in a month or so.

Edited on 12/16/2008 10:49 PM

OddBalls · « **Reply #61 on:** December 23, 2008, 10:41:53 AM »

Hi Steven!

How was your weekend?

IF you use ANY ball properly, it will give you the desired results..

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Uncle Crusty · « **Reply #62 on:** December 23, 2008, 10:42:54 AM »

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In fact, I truly believe that you are the target market for Lane #1. It may certainly be true that you can raise your average with this equipment due to the nature of the ball.

OddInverted1: We've had the discussion several times in the past about Lane#1 claims regarding achieving higher averages with their equipment.

If you use the equipment properly, it's a fact. For many years I averaged consistently in the 220-223 range. I gradually switched to Lane#1 (as I started seeing results) and had two consecutive seasons at 230 and 234. Given that I'm older and frail with all kinds of physical challenges , it wasn't a question of just 'getting better' or suddenly discovering new improved techniques.

Lane#1 offers some of the most even rolling equipment on the market, so how can someone not achieve more consistency in their game if they have sound mechanics and play the lanes properly??

The 'target market' for Lane#1 are any bowlers who want to improve their game. It doesn't matter if you're a 190 or 220 average bowler -- use the tool properly and it will assist you in achieving noticeable improvements.

Are you kidding me? Do you even read what you write?

I'm not trying to knock Lane#1's equipment since I've never thrown it, but this argument is ridiculous. I could pull a 15 pound house ball off the rack, and assuming I "used it properly," I could average 225-230. It doesn't matter what you throw, assuming you line up and throw it "properly," you'll score.

It's not like you're buying a chainsaw to cut down every tree in your yard, and if you don't use it properly, you're gonna drop a birch into Mr. and Mrs. Smith's living room. It's a bowling ball, and the user's manual for Lane#1's equipment is the same as for any other ball: play to the ball's strengths and make quality shots.
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Steven · « **Reply #63 on:** December 23, 2008, 11:25:50 AM »

Vincente: I had a nice weekend, thank you.

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Are you kidding me? Do you even read what you write?

Crusty: Not only do I read what I write, but I actually think about it ahead of time.

I'm primarily Lane#1, but I do throw a variety of equipment. For instance, I will not go to a tournament or any serious competition without my Bite and Rival. They sometimes give me a look that just matches up right. But for equipment that matches a broad range of conditions and provides a consistent even roll, I have Lane#1 in my hand first. The difference is subtle, but it's there all the same.

If you choose not to explore and/or acknowledge it, that's your prerogative. However, it doesn't change the reality of the difference.

OddBalls · « **Reply #64 on:** December 23, 2008, 11:35:27 AM »

Steven,

I hijacked the thread...

My beef was with the marketing practices vs. the reality of it just being a bowling ball.

Granted, some people will match up better with certain equipment. However, the approach that L#1 takes (IMHO)is deceptive at best..
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chatnboy · « **Reply #65 on:** December 23, 2008, 12:25:50 PM »

Brickguy221 and STEVEN...i read your posts and i'm happy that you have stepped up your games!!!and i'm happy that lane#1 helped you achieved that accomplishment!!!but i beg to differ in this way...i would think that any ball you throw from any ball company should be able to give you outstanding results if you throw it the way you throw your lane#1 equipment.so you are letting us know that if you could throw the nvd or the virtual gravity or the cell or the up-rising or any other high-performance ball....you average would not increase by ten pins or more????is that other equipment that bad that you could not throw it properly enough to boost up your averages....???think about it!!!

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JessN16 · « **Reply #66 on:** December 23, 2008, 01:36:07 PM »

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Brickguy221 and STEVEN...i read your posts and i'm happy that you have stepped up your games!!!and i'm happy that lane#1 helped you achieved that accomplishment!!!but i beg to differ in this way...i would think that any ball you throw from any ball company should be able to give you outstanding results if you throw it the way you throw your lane#1 equipment.so you are letting us know that if you could throw the nvd or the virtual gravity or the cell or the up-rising or any other high-performance ball....you average would not increase by ten pins or more????is that other equipment that bad that you could not throw it properly enough to boost up your averages....???think about it!!!

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It's not that hard to understand, IMO. I drill my own stuff and go through a lot of equipment in a year, and I've got 12 different companies' stuff represented in my collection.

You could take the labels off and I could tell you the difference between Lane #1 and Storm (my two favorite companies) easily, just by watching reaction, assuming both balls were drilled and surfaced in similar fashion.

I'm matching up a lot better with the Lane #1 gear at the moment, either because of the surface/oil prep I'm bowling on, or the way my game has evolved, as a lot about the way I bowl has changed over the last 2-3 years.

I've picked up about 10 pins of average since switching from Storm to Lane #1 as my primary ball company, and it's due to the way one rolls compared to how the other rolls. Storm stuff tends to have a lot more backend than Lane #1, but I tend to get a better midlane read out of Lane #1 and a more even roll through the pins.

If I'm going to be bowling somewhere that I need my look to move from the midlane more towards the backend, I'll still pack my Paradigms. But if I do that at my home house on my home league, I won't be able to score like I can with my Lane #1 league gear, because I'll be fighting control issues.

I tend to be very honestly critical of anything I throw, good or bad, because I haven't got time for BS. Bomb-core Lane #1 stuff, for instance, gets no love from me. I can make them work under certain conditions, but not enough to justify saving a place in the bag. When something works, I'll defend it adamantly. When it doesn't, out the door it goes.

Jess

Steven · « **Reply #67 on:** December 23, 2008, 01:55:23 PM »

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My beef was with the marketing practices vs. the reality of it just being a bowling ball.

Granted, some people will match up better with certain equipment. However, the approach that L#1 takes (IMHO)is deceptive at best..

I know you've always had an issue with Lane#1's marketing approach. I guess I've never really taken issue with it because:

1) As has been pointed out, all ball companies hype their equipment to some comical degree. It's all part of the game to get attention.
2) I honestly believe that most bowlers with IQ's greater than the brain power of pet rocks and Amebas see marketing for what it is (to get attention), and instead try equipment based on real world performance factors.

It's not worth losing sleep over the contents of a Lane#1 poster. They make for some great entertainment, and then you move on. When you dig deeper into their well contrived cover/core combinations and their undeniably superior customer service, the product sells itself.

You can't remain viable with 'smoke and mirrors' over the long haul. Deceptive marketing can work in the short run, but it's the kiss of death to any enterprise over time -- repeat customers disappear. Lane#1 must be doing something right or the operation would have imploded long ago.

Edited on 12/23/2008 7:19 PM

BeansProShop · « **Reply #68 on:** December 23, 2008, 04:49:19 PM »

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Hi Steven!

How was your weekend?

IF you use ANY ball properly, it will give you the desired results..

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So your saying you used the Fury Pearl wrong or was it drilled wrong??

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urbanshaft · « **Reply #69 on:** December 23, 2008, 05:11:14 PM »

mike got his dynamo today
so now all you guys fighting can stop
and just smile
its a wonderful day today
woooooh

holland1945 · « **Reply #70 on:** December 23, 2008, 06:42:58 PM »

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My beef was with the marketing practices vs. the reality of it just being a bowling ball.

Granted, some people will match up better with certain equipment. However, the approach that L#1 takes (IMHO)is deceptive at best..

I know you've always had an issue with Lane#1's marketing approach. I guess I've never really taken issue with it because:

1) As has been pointed out, all ball companies hype their equipment to some comical degree. It's all part of the game to get attention.
2) I honestly believe that most bowlers with IQ's greater than the brain power of pet rocks and Amebas see marketing for what it is try equipment based on real world factors.

It's not worth losing sleep over the contents of a Lane#1 poster. They make for some great entertainment, and then you move on. When you dig deeper into their well contrived cover/core combinations and their undeniably superior customer service, the product sells itself.

You can't remain viable with 'smoke and mirrors' over the long haul. Deceptive marketing can work in the short run, but it's the kiss of death to any enterprise over time. Lane#1 must be doing something right or the operation would have imploded long ago.

I don't know how you people can try to claim that Lane #1 marketing is the same as other bowling company's marketing. Of course it's ridiculous that every new release "hooks 5 more boards than the last" or whatever, but here's what other companies don't do:

1. Claim that their equipment ALONE will give you a significant increase in average.
2. Have marketing astroturfers come on to websites and claim that *insert newest release here* will work across almost all conditions and you can stick with it out of box for 100 games if you only move your feet 3 boards.
3. The company's owner makes "snake oil" claims about the superiority of the cores as compared to other companies, even though the same designs have been used for what, 15 years now, with small tweaks?
3a. Part of the myth involves the idea that static weights not only are significant, but that they are THE most significant factor in bowling ball reaction behind surface prep, that's right more important than PIN placement or on asymmetric balls even mass bias.
3a1. The "proof" of this concept comes from a video by the owner of the company who is a 2-fingered "spray n' pray" bowler who doesn't even remotely use the same line on each shot (note - I've heard he's a very accomplished bowler, I'm not going to argue that, all I'm saying is that the video was very poor and in no way proved his point).

Here's the bottom line:

1. Lane #1 makes a fine product, but as realized by the company and the public,
2. This is not enough to succeed, because everyone out there makes a great product, and
3. Bigger companies like Brunswick and Ebonite sell enough volume to stay afloat with lower profit margin, i.e. cheaper MSRP
4. Lane #1 will not lose money on balls even short term to gain market share of an industry that already has too many players vying for a piece of a pie that is not growing.
5. Lane #1's marketing folks have decided to justify that price to the consumer by creating a "cult of personality" around the technology around the balls.

Now I'm not in marketing, but just having been a bowler and around other bowlers and pro shops for almost 20 years, it seems to me that instead of peddling snake oil, Lane #1 should emphasize the things they TRULY do better than everyone else...from all accounts, no other manufacturer has better customer service or a more liberal return policy (afforded to them by making higher margins per ball, no doubt). No one is filling unmet needs in the tournament bowler's arsenal like Lane #1 is with their strong cored urethane and plastic pieces, allowing bowlers to not have to sacrifice hitting power for less hook in late block conditions, nor having to throw white dots to have something cool looking to use on Friday nights with their non-competitive friends or Saturday afternoon at their nephew's birthday party.

Lane #1 should embrace their "boutique" status and LEAD with the niche pieces, not try to take over the world with the next greatest hook monster that in the end is the same old core with a tweaked 900 Global (aka Columbia) cover. Lane #1's regular bowling balls are not any better than anyone else's, this is clearly evident by watching the neutral video reviews that are out there. Make small batches of diamond cored plastic balls, limited edition and such. Come out with a new design each year and stick it on a urethane cover. Put strong diamond cores in weak reactive covers for light oil balls...Brunswick's Avalanche series comes to mind, but who wouldn't buy a ball that was diamond core with Super Flex pearl on it? I'd probably use that first ball out of the bag at old wood houses and 2nd shift elsewhere. Also, own up to the fact that you're not using your own covers...say it's "Super Flex with additive for earlier/later/stronger/tamer reaction". The average layperson doesn't care about core/cover at all, but sophisticated bowlers care about specifics like this...I'm sure this information is available, but I shouldn't have to come to this website or email somebody to find it out, it should be right on the spec sheet.

Don't get rid of the oilers though. Put out "the oiler to end all oilers", a med-low RG solid reactive for med to heavyish oil, and a compound finish med RG pearl reactive for med oil/first ball out of the bag. Market them, but call off the flava flav-style "hype man" and make it more, "hey you like our plastic and urethane and light-oil reactive offerings, by the way you can also get the same kind of reactions on heavier oil with these three balls". Put them on a 3-year cycle so that there's a new one each season.

In summary...trump up your superior customer service, and your pieces that no other company offers (also expand your offerings in this area). Tone down the hyperbole on the high hook pieces. The end.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #71 on:** December 23, 2008, 09:17:46 PM »

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i would think that any ball you throw from any ball company should be able to give you outstanding results if you throw it the way you throw your lane#1 equipment.so you are letting us know that if you could throw the nvd or the virtual gravity or the cell or the up-rising or any other high-performance ball....you average would not increase by ten pins or more?

NO, not every ball is as good as the other. All balls are not the same. Not all cores are as good as the next, they're all different, giving you different ball reactions. Every company does make good balls, but they are not equal in performance. =:^D

Uncle Crusty · « **Reply #72 on:** December 23, 2008, 10:57:17 PM »

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NO, not every ball is as good as the other. All balls are not the same. Not all cores are as good as the next, they're all different, giving you different ball reactions. Every company does make good balls, but they are not equal in performance. =:^D

I would try to disprove this heap of nonsense, but it's futile. Therefore, all I'll say is this: statements like this are precisely why people think Lane#1 is a joke.

I'm sure they make great equipment. After all, they have a very loyal following, and no one would throw their stuff if it was complete trash. But all the hardcore fans preaching this sort of garbage is *exactly* why Lane#1 is viewed by many as a laughingstock. For anyone who has trouble understanding why people loathe Lane#1, read T-GOD's last post and you'll never wonder again.

I mean, seriously. I throw Brunswick pretty faithfully, but you don't hear me running around saying that their equipment is, bar none, the best on the market. Sure, I match up well with it, but I know a lot of people who don't. And the same applies to Lane#1's equipment.

To all you Lane#1 fans who aren't in-your-face, we're-better-than-everyone militants, let me reiterate I have no beef with the equipment itself. To all of you who feed the propaganda machine and seriously believe that Lane#1's equipment, all logic and good sense notwithstanding, is undoubtedly better than any other company's, all I can do is wonder how any of you function in society without your mothers wiping the dribble away from your lips and tying your shoes for you.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #73 on:** December 24, 2008, 07:42:49 AM »

Crusty,

I did not say in my previous post than Lane 1 balls were the best or anything of that nature. I was merely pointing out that all balls are different, nothing more, nothing less.

Just because company X puts out a high performance ball, doesn't mean that it's as good as company Y's high end ball. Just because spec numbers may be the same also doesn't mean the balls will react exactly the same.

I am only pointing out that all balls are not as good in performance as the next, for whatever reason, core, coverstock or both. =:^D

Steven · « **Reply #74 on:** December 24, 2008, 10:17:01 AM »

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I did not say in my previous post than Lane 1 balls were the best or anything of that nature. I was merely pointing out that all balls are different, nothing more, nothing less.

T-GOD said it in the nutshell. When you sift through all the ridiculous accusations of Lane#1 baby eating cults and other baseless claims of fanaticism, the Lane#1 message is that they offer equipment that gives a different look.

The irony is that the vast majority of Lane#1 detractors have never thrown Lane#1, or their experience with the product is so thin that opinions have little footing.

I'm always baffled when someone comes onto the forum and says "I tried Lane#1 and the ball sucked". Huh?? How can anyone with decent fundamentals not match up with a clean rolling diamond core?? I'm not saying that it be their favorite ball, but to claim it's all smoke and mirrors flies in the face of pure logic and says more about the bowler than the ball.

Roy Munson · « **Reply #75 on:** December 24, 2008, 10:20:50 AM »

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Hi Steven!

How was your weekend?

IF you use ANY ball properly, it will give you the desired results..

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Inverted 1 and Dead Flush are my Evil Twins...

Why do you have balls other than a plastic one ?
You can strike with a plastic ball if you use it properly!
It's usually cheaper.
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Edited on 12/24/2008 11:22 AM

Author Topic: Tested the new Dynamo tonight (Read 19290 times)

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