Post by: Nicanor on March 05, 2009, 11:35:43 PM
Its amazing how asking a question about a ball and trying to keep it on topic only gets several responses and 200 hits of being read while a garbage post gets 67 responses and read over 2100 times.
What does this really say about the FOS?
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Post by: Steven on March 06, 2009, 07:48:29 AM
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What does this really say about the FOS?
Nothing really. You asked for information from anyone who's had real world experience using the Dynamo. It's still a relatively new offering, and there probably not a lot of them out there yet. Given the state of the economy, it's not surprising that bowlers (in general) are not jumping to get in line when a ball is first released.
You received some good input, so why are you complaining?
Post by: absoluteisanidiot on March 06, 2009, 08:03:45 AM
Lane#1 is a class act as I've had to call them many times for help in prepping a cover or even a lay out of a ball. I can't believe you can call them and if they are busy they even call back. I was wowed when they did that, Chuck, Craig and Mark you can't beat these guys when it comes to help I've come to know them over the years and they always go the extra mile to help. This small company is hands down the best in customer service and you never hear these guys tooting their own horns.
Way to Lane#1 and thanks for being there for me so many times and keep making the best balls in the business. You have a Lane#1 fan for life and to the rest of the Lane#1 guys don't let trolls get to you if we don't respond they will go away quick believe me they feed of of us so lets take the food away and they will starve.
Thanks for listening to my little rant it for you guys the FOS.
Post by: Nicanor on March 06, 2009, 08:39:45 AM
Don't know how long you've been around on this website, but I've been throwing Lane 1 bowling balls for a very long time. I matched up very well with them when they were with Brunswick. Not at all when they were with Columbia. Now that they are with 900 Global, I still have not matched up until the release of the Agent Orange with having two Buzzbombs that were a total waste to me. Mind you I said me, not to all. I'm going to continue throwing Lane 1 but can not guarantee that all of there bowling balls are going to work though I still like to receive and give information about past and current bowling balls.
Steven,
There are a lot more who already have the Dynamo then you might lead us to believe. The information I received was great and I showed my appreciation.
My point is, that you guys and girls are more willing to get involved in a garbage post (both or either read and respond) then to respond to posts that has a lot more to do with the true nature of the website. Its like a newspaper, readers want to read all the negative things that are going on in the world. If the newspaper had all good things to say about the world, they'd probably go out of business. My point wasn't even only about asking for information, but how many more read and replied or even just read a garbage post as to a genuine post about the bowling company they truly endorse.
I bet this post gets more hits then my original post.
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Post by: absoluteisanidiot on March 06, 2009, 08:56:51 AM
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Post by: Nicanor on March 06, 2009, 09:08:15 AM
The reason you didn't match up with Lane 1 and Bruswick is the reason I did. Thats why matching up is so important. For me the Agent Orange and the Cell remind me of the Lane 1 days with Brunswick. The Cell for me reads the mid lanes well and has a good move to the pocket but not flippy. Both the Cell and the first AO has the pin under the ring finger and mb kicked right. I know that means nothing unless you know the persons pap and bowling style but the point is I don't get the skid flip on the ball that has a tendancy to get me in trouble.
Thanks again for the response.
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Post by: Rockbowler on March 06, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
How are you? Long time no talk. I share your match-up problems with Lane 1. I had great results with a lot more of their balls when the balls were poured by Brunswick. I love the Pearl Carbide, BCB, Emerald, etc. but I did not match up with the Supernovas and the Buzzbomb. Although I had a couple of good games with them. However, the Agent Orange, from my observation of bowlers who have it, is a good ball with excellent carry. And I may still get one. I have not seen the Dynamo in my area to comment.
I am having so much fun with Storm's Virtual Gravity, Hyroad and now, the Second Dimension which is an excellent ball. I also had great results with the Cell and am planning to get a Roque Cell.
Re- Steven, he has not changed from when I had a few discussions with him in the past. He likes to express his "superiority" and will question the bowlers who express negative comments about Lane 1 and/or his views. He will say that the bowler is not good enough (average-wise or experience-wise) to comment or when you argue/discuss with him, he will say that you do not comprehend as if he is the only one who does. Also, he likes to argue with JustRico (formerly BrunsRico) who is a lot more knowledgeable than him and you can see him struggle with his arguments although we will give him credit about his good articulation of his views.
Good luck and hopefully, we can get together in the near future.
Take care.
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absoluteisanidiot,
Don't know how long you've been around on this website, but I've been throwing Lane 1 bowling balls for a very long time. I matched up very well with them when they were with Brunswick. Not at all when they were with Columbia. Now that they are with 900 Global, I still have not matched up until the release of the Agent Orange with having two Buzzbombs that were a total waste to me. Mind you I said me, not to all. I'm going to continue throwing Lane 1 but can not guarantee that all of there bowling balls are going to work though I still like to receive and give information about past and current bowling balls.
Steven,
There are a lot more who already have the Dynamo then you might lead us to believe. The information I received was great and I showed my appreciation.
My point is, that you guys and girls are more willing to get involved in a garbage post (both or either read and respond) then to respond to posts that has a lot more to do with the true nature of the website. Its like a newspaper, readers want to read all the negative things that are going on in the world. If the newspaper had all good things to say about the world, they'd probably go out of business. My point wasn't even only about asking for information, but how many more read and replied or even just read a garbage post as to a genuine post about the bowling company they truly endorse.
I bet this post gets more hits then my original post.
Edited on 3/6/2009 1:02 PM
Post by: Nicanor on March 06, 2009, 12:15:33 PM
Rockbowler, is I'm not mistaken you use to throw several pearl Uraninums when they first came out. I don't mind the extra money for Lane 1 bowling balls and even with that, other bowling ball manufactuers are catching up price wise as well. I got the Agent Orange delivered for $154 and the Dynamo is only $159 delivered. Thats only about $10-20 dollars more expensive then most other major bowling ball prices and even less then some.
I just ordered the Rogue Cell to go with the other equipment I am using and I hope the Dynamo fits in. I have the THS and the Jolt solid to help me on the medium-light and the XXXL to help me on the dry. The Virtual Gravity, Cell, Rogue Cell, Dynamo should cover the med-heavy and the Agent Oranges and the Grand Illusions should cover the medium.
I hope to be in Fremont this summer. Send a little time with Pchee2, Doc Hollywood and others who are interested in bowling and /or having lunch.
Thanks again,
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Post by: Rockbowler on March 06, 2009, 12:22:00 PM
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Thank you Pakman2 and Rockbowler.
Rockbowler, is I'm not mistaken you use to throw several pearl Uraninums when they first came out. I don't mind the extra money for Lane 1 bowling balls and even with that, other bowling ball manufactuers are catching up price wise as well. I got the Agent Orange delivered for $154 and the Dynamo is only $159 delivered. Thats only about $10-20 dollars more expensive then most other major bowling ball prices and even less then some.
I just ordered the Rogue Cell to go with the other equipment I am using and I hope the Dynamo fits in. I have the THS and the Jolt solid to help me on the medium-light and the XXXL to help me on the dry. The Virtual Gravity, Cell, Rogue Cell, Dynamo should cover the med-heavy and the Agent Oranges and the Grand Illusions should cover the medium.
I hope to be in Fremont this summer. Send a little time with Pchee2, Doc Hollywood and others who are interested in bowling and /or having lunch.
Thanks again,
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Post by: Roy Munson on March 06, 2009, 06:48:25 PM
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I hope to be in Fremont this summer.
. . . California ?? Mowry Bowl ??
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Post by: Nicanor on March 06, 2009, 07:25:54 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on March 06, 2009, 10:43:14 PM
I have to agree with pakman here....the reason you are not seeing more responses here is that we are sick and tired of having to explain ourselves over and over again.
Everybody on this site knows that I am one of Lane 1's firmest supporters but I will call garbage when I see it...whether it be a Lane 1 ball or one from some other company.
My own personal Dynamo is now in the hands of BR's very own 7-year-itch. I had trouble with the ball being inconsistent down the lane. In retrospect I see now that it was not the ball but rather a combination of my own personal issues (including being in too much of a hurry to get it drilled and misreading my span gauge...DUH!!!!I broke cardinal rule #1...measure twice, cut once). The ball flared a ton but was very twitchy on anything but our leftover house shot. These are the reasons I didn't post a full update to my initial impressions. I cannot make a full determination on the ball until I get another one to shake down properly.
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Post by: Nicanor on March 07, 2009, 09:17:55 AM
I think those who match up well with Columbia match up fairly well with Lane 1 current lineup and those of us who didn't match up with Columbia, don't care much for the current line up. Thats my opinion and not a researched opinion, just my opinion.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on March 07, 2009, 10:02:06 AM
The advent of the Bomb core introduced a different twist on the theme...make the core taller and get more length in the core. Add the flip block and you get more flare and backend for those with less hand. However this increase in hook came at a price....more specific drillings were needed. The Cherry, Black Cherry and Super Carbide Bombs were some of the most devastating balls made.
The production switch to Columbia came about with a couple of really good balls but the Lane 1 stalwarts were confused because the SuperFlex based covers were not as strong and early as the Brunswick covers. This led to the old guard using the tried and true layouts and not getting the reactions we wanted. For example I drilled my Uranium HRG with the pin over the bridge like I tended to like and the ball went straight...and I mean straight!! Well maybe the whole HRG diamond core idea was not as well thought out as it could have been but who knows.
The Evoluition and Nebula continue to be 2 of my favorites in recent history The solid was iffy at best but the Evo and Neb are great!
Onto 900 Global....the original SuperNova...great ball once they got the bad batch off the shelves. The XP? awesome ball...but again, here we are again with the DIAMOND CORE...no flip blocks or anything. Teal THS? Love it or hate it.....old school core but with a different coverstock gives a different look and slightly different reaction. BuzzBomb? One of my favorites....BuzzBomb/R? didn't care for it but again, could have been drill pattern or lofty expectations that didn't surface until the Agent Orange came out. Chainsaw...good all-new release...core and cover match very well and it's not an attempt to redo something that has been done in the past. Dynamo? Again another new core design in an attempt to tweak the core to match up to the 900 G covers.
I feel it is just a matter of Phil and Richie getting comfortable with what each other brings to the table and breaking down what each one means when they say "I want this" or "I want that".
The more people I talk to and the more research I do, I feel the Dynamo will be a good solid benchmark ball for Lane 1 to base their line on. They just need to tweak up the covers and get tuned in to what kind of cover the core needs to maximize the reaction.
Richie won't quit until he gets it right...have no fear.
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Post by: JessN16 on March 07, 2009, 11:29:18 PM
One thing: Don't forget your XP has the Fusion core, not the Diamond. Doesn't seem to be much difference but there is one.
I've just now started figuring out the XP after a few months of ownership and ended up bowling my highest series of the half with it Tuesday. I basically have to treat it like I used to throw my old Storm X-Factor when its cover was still fresh. The 900Global covers are much more angular than the Brunswick covers were, and for that reason I've started to sprinkle in some Visionary, Brunswick and older gear in order to get a different look.
Nicanor, I'll tell you about the Dynamo -- when I get one. (g) I'm going to get a Chainsaw next month and that will probably be it for me until summer leagues get here, and I want to try the Agent Orange first.
Jess
Post by: Storm269 on March 08, 2009, 06:33:03 AM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on March 08, 2009, 08:04:28 AM
I am going to try another Dynamo....from what I am hearing out and about it seems to be the second coming of the Black Raspberry but on steroids this time.
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Post by: triggerman on March 08, 2009, 01:03:01 PM
pin in ring cg stacked no weight hole, took fingers and thumb deep
works out to a 50 x 4.5" x 35 drilling or very very close to that (my fav)
I never see an over under or squirty look, it doesnt like short oil per say unless you go way deep, my last foray on short oil
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I agree Jess...I loved my SuperNOva XP and regret selling it....somebody on here bought it actually <g>....had the pin under ring and cg out a bit with a 1-2" pin. Gave me a nice smooth reaction to the hole that would still kick the 10 without fail. Man I miss that ball :-(
I am going to try another Dynamo....from what I am hearing out and about it seems to be the second coming of the Black Raspberry but on steroids this time.
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Post by: oregonsawhead on March 09, 2009, 12:57:40 AM
On the topic of 900 Global, I have had tremendous success with the Evolution and the Supernova lines. I love the twisted diamond core and would love to see it the THS coverstock.
I would like to see another plain diamond core, but I doubt we will for awhile....unless they do a Pearl Liberator....
Anyways, just wanted to chime in on this....
Post by: Zef Olantar on March 09, 2009, 02:45:05 AM
Personally, I switched the bulk of my arsenal to Lane #1 in late 2007 and haven't looked back since. Do I see a difference in reaction between the Brunswick poured SAWS to the Columbia and 900 Global SAWS? Absolutely! And I think that there are many Lane #1 supporters out there that still prefer the reactions of their old SAWS compared to the new ones.
My favorites are the Black Cherry Bomb (Modified RICO layout) and the Enriched Uranium (4 1/2" X 4 1/2" stacked - no X-hole). Of the new balls, I didn't mind the BuzzBOMB, but the Agent Orange is better AND the NEW Dynamo is an absolute BEAST!
I still have it in box condition and will likely have to put some polish on it because it just hooks too much!As a pro shop owner / operator myself up here in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada,
I like trying out new equipment, not just new SAWS! Having said that, I really think that Richie and Lane #1 are heading in the right direction in their relationship with Phil Cardinale and 900 Global. The coverstocks are getting better and I think the Hurricane core will be a winner. Can't wait to see it in a pearl version......wow, that should be a backend monster!
To close, I have a question to Doug Sterner and Triggerman and anyone else who may be able to respond to this one......
In the 900 Global lineup of coverstocks, which are the ones that were used on the recent Lane #1 balls? Richie from Lane #1 responded to me a while back on a few of them, but I'd like to fill in the few gaps that I have.
G-Force Solid - Detonator, which was the Columbia M80
EVO, Nebula, Supernova Solid, Teal THS and BuzzBOMB/R - Bleeder, which is the
the tried and true, Superflex cover
Supernova XP - Explosion Pearl (XP), which I understand was Richie's own
formulation with 900 Global
Liberator - BUD Urethane, does this mean this is the same formulation as was
used on the original Columbia Black U-Dot?
BuzzBOMB & Agent Orange - Pure Grip....what's this in the 900 Global "S" rating?
Chainsaw - Skid / Hook.................what's this in the 900 Global "S" rating?
Dynamo - Category 5....................what's this in the 900 Global "S" rating?
Thanks a bunch in advance, guys! Keep up the great work.
Regards,
George
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Post by: triggerman on March 09, 2009, 07:53:03 AM
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Great post,guys. And, love all the info, Doug! I couldn't agree with you more.
Personally, I switched the bulk of my arsenal to Lane #1 in late 2007 and haven't looked back since. Do I see a difference in reaction between the Brunswick poured SAWS to the Columbia and 900 Global SAWS? Absolutely! And I think that there are many Lane #1 supporters out there that still prefer the reactions of their old SAWS compared to the new ones.
My favorites are the Black Cherry Bomb (Modified RICO layout) and the Enriched Uranium (4 1/2" X 4 1/2" stacked - no X-hole). Of the new balls, I didn't mind the BuzzBOMB, but the Agent Orange is better AND the NEW Dynamo is an absolute BEAST!
As a pro shop owner / operator myself up here in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada,
I like trying out new equipment, not just new SAWS! Having said that, I really think that Richie and Lane #1 are heading in the right direction in their relationship with Phil Cardinale and 900 Global. The coverstocks are getting better and I think the Hurricane core will be a winner. Can't wait to see it in a pearl version......wow, that should be a backend monster!
To close, I have a question to Doug Sterner and Triggerman and anyone else who may be able to respond to this one......
In the 900 Global lineup of coverstocks, which are the ones that were used on the recent Lane #1 balls? Richie from Lane #1 responded to me a while back on a few of them, but I'd like to fill in the few gaps that I have.
G-Force Solid - Detonator, which was the Columbia M80YES
EVO, Nebula, Supernova Solid, Teal THS and BuzzBOMB/R - Bleeder, which is the
the tried and true, Superflex coverYES
Supernova XP - Explosion Pearl (XP), which I understand was Richie's own
formulation with 900 Global superflex vairation, there are 4 different formulations of superflex as I understand it[red/]
Liberator - BUD Urethane, does this mean this is the same formulation as was
used on the original Columbia Black U-Dot? YES
BuzzBOMB & Agent Orange - Pure Grip....what's this in the 900 Global "S" rating?these are both superflex based as well
Chainsaw - Skid / Hook.................what's this in the 900 Global "S" rating? dont know, I would assume the s25
Dynamo - Category 5....................what's this in the 900 Global "S" rating? not sure, been compared to S75 or Soaker
Thanks a bunch in advance, guys! Keep up the great work.
Regards,
I put my opinion in red, I am not sure about the new stuff
George
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Post by: Doug Sterner on March 09, 2009, 10:13:42 PM
Chainsaw....I am guessing it's the solid cover from the Creature solid (S30)
BuzzBomb...I think it's very close the cover on the original Break (S70).
Agent Orange....can't help you here....IMO it's stronger than any Pearl 900 G is using
Dynamo....based on the rate of oil absorption I saw on mine I'd be willing to bet it's a version of Phil's soaker.
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Post by: burly1 on March 13, 2009, 09:54:48 AM
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Post by: Nicanor on March 13, 2009, 11:27:15 AM
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Post by: triggerman on March 13, 2009, 02:02:48 PM
I have some 80 games plus on mine, I polished it out of box, my cleaning is wipe the ball down before each throw with a microfiber towel, that is it, ball is as strong or stronger today as when i first punched it up, I have seen no loss of reaction, no squirty on the backend, just a strong rolling angular ball
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Post by: burly1 on March 13, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
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Post by: Zef Olantar on March 13, 2009, 04:36:42 PM
I have a 15 lb Dynamo on the way as well which I will polish @ 4000 Abralon.
To be honest, the Dynamo is one of the best oil balls I have ever used. The Category 5 coverstock is very very aggressive......not sure what it is in the 900 Global lineup of covers, but I'm assuming it has to be at least a version of their S75 cover.
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