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The true test of the diamond core...
« on: August 15, 2006, 10:37:54 AM »
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2006, 12:53:50 PM »
Speaking with Lane 1, It won't be Ebonite and it is not going to Brunswick so........
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2006, 09:02:18 PM »
I'd be real interested to know where Columbia is getting all this money from lately...
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2006, 09:20:39 PM »
I spoke with Chuck yesterday, and he said thet NOTHING is inked on paper, and as of our converstaion, evrything is pure speculation.

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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2006, 09:57:45 PM »
I spoke with Chuck and Richie both over the last 2 days and in their own words...it's all a rumor.

Are they testing the waters? Of course they are....why not try to see if they can improve their product by utililzing a different company's coverstock?

If they had a ball or 2 made by Columbia for test purposes so what? I bet they had some testers made by Ebonite/Hammer and Storm too.

Was this big of a stink made when Mo chose to go to Brunswick from Columbia? Then why's it such a big deal for lane 1?
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2006, 12:01:10 AM »
The price of bowling balls would increase to $300 5 years from now not likely for whatever reasons you're thinking, but simply due to inflation.  Economy isn't getting stronger by any means.  If inflation wasn't the cause, I'd expect that serious bowling would collapse as I don't think many people would want to pay $1500 for an arsenal, and then replace it 8 months later.
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2006, 12:06:07 AM »
If you're going to that trade show, you'll have the opportunity.  He'll also probably challenge you to some pot games, because lane1who likes to throw money around.
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2006, 09:16:43 AM »
Not that I approve of this thread hijacking but.....

Chris you obviously have no clue what it costs to run a pro shop.

First off if a pro shop charges $40 over cost for a bowling ball that $40 isn't pure "put the money in your pocket and go buy a beer" profit. You are also assuming that with your $40 per ball, 2 balls per hour scenario that the shop is doing that continuously. If the shop is drilling 16 balls per day (2 per hour, open 8 hours) then they are doiung a high enough volume that it could be possible and they are that busy because they are in a good area. What about the shops that only generate 5-6 balls sales per week due to financially depressed population or low lineage or lots of competition? $40 per ball won't pay the electric bill.

The costs of insurance, rent, maintenance, utilities far outweigh what most places would collect at marking up a ball $40 including drilling. In my area that pro shop would be gone and out of business within 1/2 a season.

A quality pro shop SHOULD make $50-$75 on a ball for their time and expertise.

There is no such thing as overpriced when the quality is top notch. People will pay for quality and the person who can duplicate spans and pitches as well as guarantee the bowler that his purchase is the right one for him and is willing to stand behind is providing quality service.

A perfect example here is in the automotive repair industry....in the automotive industry you have guys who will work for $15 per hour but all they know is how to change out parts until the problem is fixed. A true technician who can diagnose the problem will cost more per hour but you are going to have the problem fixed with a guarantee...it's right or they'll make it right. So the $15 hack makes his money on the extra parts he puttin on with a 75% mark up or you can pay the extra per hour for the guy who knows what's going on and spend less on your parts bill. Why does the technician cost more per hour? Better tools and more knowledge allow him to get the job done faster and more efficiently. Most likely the technician is also insured as well so if you have any problems he is insured and you'll be compensated if there's an issue.

Plain and simple....pay for quality with a guarantee once or pay less and take your chances.


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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2006, 02:33:49 PM »
Chris, the pro shop you're talking about is one that isn't MAKING money, they're only making enough to pay the bills with a modest salary at best.

Yes, he has a job, but he's working his but off, under cutting everyone else, because he's new in order to get customers. They're basically cheap customers so in the long run, he'll NEVER MAKE ANY REAL MONEY..!! Why, because he will be stuck there in the shop 6 days a week, doing all the work himself, because he can't afford to have anyone work for him.

Believe me, it'll all catch up to him..!! =:^D

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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2006, 04:13:38 PM »
I'll continue the hijack a bit...

It is expensive to open and maintain a pro shop.  Nothing is cheap and there is no Wal Mart to buy the things they need.  Things break down and they don't get a budget to buy/repair things from.  Most don't make much off of their equipment and supplies, so a majority of their income comes from their labor.  I want my (good) proshop operator to make a good living, not merely survive month to month.  I want him to be around for years and years.  The good guys have so many intangible benefits.  A lot of people are capable of dropping three holes in a ball with roughly the same span and pitches.  The ones that are head and shoulders above those guys deserve better than just scraping by.
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2006, 04:23:36 PM »
i have to say something about the pro-shop comment as well.

My driller makes it 40$ a ball if you buy it from him, and his prices are about 20$ up on the ball - so say a BVP Ambush is 99.99$ he is selling it for 125$, so roughly 25$ upchare on the ball. He does this because it makes more profit for the company, and more cash in his pocket.

He charges 50$ for an outside contained ball, so say you got it off of the internet, its 50$ for him to drill it. This is minus all the grips/plugs and whatever else there is. I think 50$ is a great price for his work, because he is so in tuned to what he is doing, and so good at doing it, that he's a keeper.

I would guess not to judge a book by its cover.

and since you are saying that this guy is only charging 20-30$ for drilling, and has only one year in experience, i would say good luck. I would rather pay for someone's experience and expertise in the subject, than a cheap rookie.

its just like in the real world, you pay for the service and the guarantee, instead of the cheapness and quickness.
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2006, 10:37:09 PM »
Thats rediculous.
That's like telling me I should not sell a customer the tires I am mounting/balancing/installing on his car. A big part of a qualified advisor's service is helping the customer chose a product that will suit his needs. A good driller can do the same for his customer. Let's face it...we do more research than the average bowler. Most other folks rely on recommendations for equipment.
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2006, 11:08:33 PM »
Let's see...

digital pitch machine...assuming you mean digital milling machine...they run $5000. At $30 per ball that would take 170 balls drilled to pay for the machine. Then lets look at drill bits...$30 each times a good set is 30 bits....$900 so there's another 30 balls you have to drill to pay for the bits. A quality scale from Kauffman...$900. There's 30 more balls. So you need to drill 230 balls at $30 per ball to pay for the 3 big ticket items needed to drill balls.  Now that is assuming you put every single penny you make off the balls into paying for the hardware.

As any person on here will tell you anybody can put 3 holes into a bowling ball. There are plenty of hacks out there that call themselves pro shops but couldn't make a ball fit if their lives depended on it. It takes some time and effort to do it right.

Let's talk layouts...you are too young to remember the good old days when you had a label and you simply shifted that label toward the fingers for finger weight to make the ball go longer or shift it outside the grip to make the ball hook more. The Black Hammer and Black Angle sure were easy to drill...such is not the case today.

A quality pro shop operator will be a student of the game and will not be afraid to study up on the sciences of physics and motion dynamics. Revolutions I and II are must haves to help understand the motion of a bowling ball. Mo Pinel has taught us all that the pin to PAP distance is important but also the distance the pin is above the midline also matters a lot.

Without the knowledge of the up to date and up and coming information the driller is just guessing. This is especially problematic when the customer has not bought a ball since the days of the Beast or Purple Rhino Pro.

In short it tkaes way more to drill a ball than people think and it takes way more to run a successful pro shop than most people think.

I'll say it again...people who know will pay for quality and knowledgeable service. When in business for yourself you should charge what you feel you are worth.

The old adage you get what you pay for rings true here again....
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2006, 11:17:40 PM »
Joe, see what you started?  
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2006, 01:12:00 AM »
especially when it was a rumor.
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Re: The true test of the diamond core...
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2006, 11:20:45 AM »
I have it from a very good source that nothing is chaging on with lane 1  they will still use brunswick even from mexico.

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