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To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« on: February 14, 2007, 07:24:23 AM »
I'm not quite sure what the deal is here but you guys aren't making it any easier for me when all you do is break the rules and flaunt it like its no big deal.

If you have an issue with charles please post it here so that I can be in the loop. BBE admins have contacted me about the issue but I want to see what you have to say as well.

Try to keep personal attacks out of it and stick to the facts. Lets get this out in the open so that the rest of the forum doesn't have to deal with it.

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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 09:26:40 PM »
Guys, the reason for this thread was so that, if there was something that needed to come out, it could come out in one thread instead of throughout the forum.

If you can make an intelligent argument about why you feel the way you do, I'm not going to argue it, I'll let it be IN THIS THREAD (note the words "intelligent argument," not mock bigotry or personal attacks). Otherwise, let what's done be done and move on.

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P.S. For those complaining of trolls, I must re-iterate the usefulness of the pm. That way I have an idea of what to look at when I come in. Otherwise, I'm just going through threads and with as much posting as you guys do in a day, it can leave me quite cross-eyed.

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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2007, 10:07:04 PM »
I personally don't have much interaction with Charles.

My issue with the whole situation is that it seems that anyone and everyone can come into the Lane#1 section and bash away at anyone they want and about anything they want and get away with it.  You don't see this anywhere else but in here.  I think the site has lost allot of good people because of this and will continue to lose people cause people continue to attack w/o and action takin' against them.

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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2007, 10:13:54 PM »
Charles has always been A++ in my book. Always a good guy to talk with pretty informative as well.

I'm not sure what he could have done to invoke the kinda posts I've been seeing about him ?


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On another post, someone accused charles of buying a bowling ball with the money people on bbe.com raised to help with his moms funeral.. That was a low blow IMO..

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I've also seen this as well and no matter what going on, I think that kinda post is totally wrong and un-called for...
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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2007, 11:12:38 PM »
I have put forth the olive branch and do not wish to fight with anyone anymore, i am sorry that it got out of hand. I know what you think of me and i will deal with that personally to myself even though i do not understand the hate towards me. I hear things all the time including tonight some good stuff, but i must refrain from being the whipping boy for posting my hearsay.



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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2007, 04:59:24 AM »
yeah, i bet he wont tell you all the massive sh i t he was talking about you in BBE chat one night. Dogging your bowling game bad, and how you get your balls.  I could go on and on, but i wont ruin your relationship.  I should have saved the convo, but didn't think @ the time.  So oh well believe me if you wish


 
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I have personally known Charles and his wife for a couple of years and bowled with both of them on multiple occasions and thought what someone said about his mom today was totally uncalled for.. I got the chance to bowl with Charles and his mom when she was almost gone and saw how much he cherished his mother and even if you did have a bone to pick with Charles, its ridiculous to bring up his deceased mother in ANY way... I personally lost all respect for that user.. He for sure showed his mentality and age with that comment.. I don't care what Charles did.

On a side note. I lost my mom 4 years ago and if someone would have said anything like that to me about her, I promise they would have got thier butts kicked, period.. Bashing someone for no reason is very childish..

I think this needs to end, regardless what happened.. Life is to short for petty things like this to go on and on.. To the users that are doing this to him, either come out and explain EVERYTHING or let it go..


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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2007, 05:49:03 AM »
Please tell me more if this is the truth.. if not, don't try to stir up trouble between me asnd charles..

Grow up, seriously..

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yeah, i bet he wont tell you all the massive sh i t he was talking about you in BBE chat one night. Dogging your bowling game bad, and how you get your balls.  I could go on and on, but i wont ruin your relationship.  I should have saved the convo, but didn't think @ the time.  So oh well believe me if you wish


 
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I have personally known Charles and his wife for a couple of years and bowled with both of them on multiple occasions and thought what someone said about his mom today was totally uncalled for.. I got the chance to bowl with Charles and his mom when she was almost gone and saw how much he cherished his mother and even if you did have a bone to pick with Charles, its ridiculous to bring up his deceased mother in ANY way... I personally lost all respect for that user.. He for sure showed his mentality and age with that comment.. I don't care what Charles did.

On a side note. I lost my mom 4 years ago and if someone would have said anything like that to me about her, I promise they would have got thier butts kicked, period.. Bashing someone for no reason is very childish..

I think this needs to end, regardless what happened.. Life is to short for petty things like this to go on and on.. To the users that are doing this to him, either come out and explain EVERYTHING or let it go..


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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2007, 05:56:37 AM »
1. The BBE Admins do have the last 3 months of chat logs saved and will post them if we need to protect BBE. At this time there is no reason to do that, but We will give you guys the honest truth about what went down.

2. Yes Charles did lie to everyone and tell people that he was a Lane #1 Staffer that got free test balls and then gave them away after he tried them out. Charles will say that he was told by a certain person from Lane #1 to say that he was a staffer, but we read everyday's worth of posts to try and find something like that and were unable to. That individual has also denied telling Charles to say he was a Lane #1 Staffer.

3. BBE did raise money for Charles when his mom died. But that matter is still up in the air because there is still 1 party that did not receive the goods promised. A ball was sold and when the buyer got the ball the pin was cracked. He asked for a replacement and the seller said will do his best to find 1. One of the Admins asked Charles if everything was took care of before Charles was sent the money for the raffles and donations and Charles said yes that everything is ok. We do know that Charles did know about the buyer requesting another ball in replacement for the ball with the cracked pin. Well come to find out that individual still has yet to receive the replacement ball that he purchased, but Charles still got his money.

4. The straw that broke the camels back and got Charles banned for good was the fact that he signed in as another user and attempted to rile another user up knowing that user had been warned about his behavior in the chat and would be banned if he acted up. Charles will deny that it was he that signed into the other account, but our records show that it was his work IP address that was the last login IP address. Both of those were only logged in from 2 different IP's and on that day and time they were both last logged in from his work IP.

5. The Lane #1 Mafia was idea started by a few individuals and ran with by Charles. The Lane #1 Mafia was a group inside of the FOS and not a group of it's own. There was no issue with Charles taking the lead and running with the idea. We setup a permanent chat room just for the Mafia and we made sure everything that was needed to make the group grow and do well was given. As all of this drama went down, and Charles was about to be banned, Charles decided he was going to leave BBE and take the Mafia with him. We allowed him to post and say he was leaving and allowed him to send PM's to anyone who wanted to know what was going on. He tried to persuade several people to leave BBE and follow him to Absolutebowling.com. We have no problem with anyone being users on multiple site, but we did watch him to make sure we wasn't trying to do anything that would harm BBE. After Charles was banned from BBE we watched Absolutebowling.com and the post about how the Mafia is going to be run from there now. Well needless to say that no one followed him, several users did sign up over there, but shortly after his permanent ban and move to Absolutebowling.com the Mafia idea died.

That is not the whole story of Charles and his stay at BBE, but We feel that is enough information for the BR users to decide for themselves.

Edited on 2/15/2007 7:09 AM

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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2007, 06:16:55 AM »
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!




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1. The BBE Admins do have the last 3 months of chat logs saved and will post them if we need to protect BBE. At this time there is no reason to do that, but We will give you guys the honest truth about what went down.

2. Yes Charles did lie to everyone and tell people that he was a Lane #1 Staffer that got free test balls and then gave them away after he tried them out. Charles will say that he was told by a certain person from Lane #1 to say that he was a staffer, but we read everyday's worth of posts to try and find something like that and were unable to. That individual has also denied telling Charles to say he was a Lane #1 Staffer.

3. BBE did raise money for Charles when his mom died. But that matter is still up in the air because there is still 1 party that did not receive the goods promised. A ball was sold and when the buyer got the ball the pin was cracked. He asked for a replacement and the seller said will do his best to find 1. One of the Admins asked Charles if everything was took care of before Charles was sent the money for the raffles and donations and Charles said yes that everything is ok. We do know that Charles did know about the buyer requesting another ball in replacement for the ball with the cracked pin. Well come to find out that individual still has yet to receive the replacement ball that he purchased, but Charles still got his money.

4. The straw that broke the camels back and got Charles banned for good was the fact that he signed in as another user and attempted to rile another user up knowing that user had been warned about his behavior in the chat and would be banned if he acted up. Charles will deny that it was he that signed into the other account, but our records show that it was his work IP address that was the last login IP address. Both of those were only logged in from 2 different IP's and on that day and time they were both last logged in from his work IP.

5. The Lane #1 Mafia was idea started by a few individuals and ran with by Charles. The Lane #1 Mafia was a group inside of the FOS and not a group of it's own. There was no issue with Charles taking the lead and running with the idea. We setup a permanent chat room just for the Mafia and we made sure everything that was needed to make the group grow and do well was given. As all of this drama went down, and Charles was about to be banned, Charles decided he was going to leave BBE and take the Mafia with him. We allowed him to post and say he was leaving and allowed him to send PM's to anyone who wanted to know what was going on. He tried to persuade several people to leave BBE and follow him to Absolutebowling.com. We have no problem with anyone being users on multiple site, but we did watch him to make sure we wasn't trying to do anything that would harm BBE. After Charles was banned from BBE we watched Absolutebowling.com and the post about how the Mafia is going to be run from there now. Well needless to say that no one followed him, several users did sign up over there, but shortly after his permanent ban and move to Absolutebowling.com the Mafia idea died.

That is not the whole story of Charles and his stay at BBE, but We feel that is enough information for the BR users to decide for themselves.






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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2007, 06:18:40 AM »
1st.....BBE, (Aaron, whatever) were you privy to the late night phone calls I received from that Lane #1 rep? No. I even showed some respected users on here were that rep was still calling me from his personal cell phone late at night just last week. Therefore, it is my word against his. Fine, I got hung out and moved on. Learned a lesson from it.


2nd....That auction situation was triggerman's deal to handle. He was aware of the situation where a certain user (donator) was handling the situation. Not once has anyone come forward, the receiver, and said, hey this is not being resolved, can I get a refund on that ball. I would've gladly worked it out. Many on here know me that way. Therefore, making implications such as this are unfounded. The particular donator has said on numerous occassions he is trying to locate that particular ball. From my recollection, the winner of that auction was offered 3 balls in place of it (2 NIB and 1 mint single drill by the donator to work it out but refused. That is his option.) SO therefore, your comments on this are baseless.

3rd.....the Mafia, oh yea, how about asking a well respected user everywhere, T Brockette, exactly who came up wit hthat idea? Even triggerrman posted on that site that it was our idea, mine and T Brockette's. Please show me where I once asked anyone to leave your site to come to AB.COM? I didn't. I simply asked some to join so that I may have contact with them as I refused to visit your site. Another baseless comment.

4th....Oh yea, I supposedly signed in under another user? Hmmmmm. I kind of doubt that and you can say what you want. That chat log would show that nothing occurred wrongly from my wife and her screenname and she was blatently attacked. Now, please  point out that she asked triggerman how to handle the situation and did so as suggested. Ignore and all of the above. Another baseless comment.

5th........Please note that the owner of BBE and I also have had a conflict which actually was the end result in my being banned from your site. Please note that as a site owner it is his right. I accepted it, moved on and haven't slandered tehm anywhere although it was handled very wrongly. In the BBE box, he can do no wrong. I can live with that. However, please understand that not all admins/owners are the most respected user on the bowling sites either.

In closing, this is absolutely going nowhere. These particular users have tried to slander me over other sites also and admins have said, "Not over here." and put a stop to it. I moved on realizing this internet is miniscule in my life and learned from these mistakes. I don't see where this is going to do anything for me or the other users involved. My reputation as a great user here may be damaged by these accusations but the lord will see my friendships through this. I am finished debating and arguing. It will end up nowhere. Have fun with this post and subject!



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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2007, 06:46:29 AM »
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Let me first say that i am indeed LanemastersBLOWS and CharlesMushtare. Now if you still care what i have to say then thats great. I met Charles last summer in the chat over at BBE. We talked on several occasions. He told me more than once he IS/WAS a lane#1 staffer. He also manipulated me into trying to get FBM banned last summer. He really thought he was some kind of king over there. Almost like he thought he was above the admins and they wouldn't do anything to him. Anyways, he asked me to be his partner over here for the br scratch doubles league, and i agreed. He told me that if i didnt bowl well on my scheduled night to just use a different nights scores because that is what HE DOES. Then as soon as Charles and myself have a small arguement over there what does he do? Comes over here and send mumzi a pm having me booted from the league. WTF!  Talk about stabbing someone in the back. I felt like I had a nice friend in Charles hell I even offered up a ball or two to auction off to raise money for him in his time of need. They didnt sell but the point is i wanted to help who I THOUGHT was my FRIEND. All i got in return was a nice STAB IN THE BACK! Now I dont know what he has told some of you threw pm but this is my side of the story.
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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2007, 06:49:07 AM »
ok since my name is thrown out here, which i may add I dont like

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2nd....That auction situation was triggerman's deal to handle. He was aware of the situation where a certain user (donator) was handling the situation. Not once has anyone come forward, the receiver, and said, hey this is not being resolved, can I get a refund on that ball. I would've gladly worked it out. Many on here know me that way. Therefore, making implications such as this are unfounded. The particular donator has said on numerous occassions he is trying to locate that particular ball. From my recollection, the winner of that auction was offered 3 balls in place of it (2 NIB and 1 mint single drill by the donator to work it out but refused. That is his option.) SO therefore, your comments on this are baseless.


I dont care where the money went or was used for, my only requirement was that everyone was dealt with.  I was told, everyone was taken care of, I was not going to release any money until everyone was satisfied, Charles told me (and yes i have a private message saying so) that "all the users are taken care of I contacted them personally"  So I sent him the donation, as I should hav.  now flash 2 months ahead, there is a user now contacting me stating they have not recieved the ball.  I as the person in charge are now left with the task of taking care of this person (notice Charles I did not ask you to be involved as the donations were for your time of need, I saw no reason to involve you, myself and the user are working towards an equitible solution.  


To all of you that think i am bashing Charles I am not, I even defended him yesterday
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to all the bashers of Charles, we get your point. Be a little grown up here and let it go. Charles and I talked about the money raised for him, you know what it doesnt matter what it was used for it was raised for his time of need, be it milk bread or his moms funeral expenses, it is time to let it go guys. As much as Charles assumes I turned my back on him at BBE I did not, I still consider him a freind as i do some of you posting in here. What i am saying is I thnk it is time to let it go. Things have been mentioned, maybe turthful, maybe not, but who cares, keep my name out of it and let it go. This is the lane #1 forum, not the bash Charles forum, I was hurt by some of his comments but i am bigger then that, freindships should not be destroyed that easily

so, all, as a respected memeber here, please let this die, it does no one any good, people should be able to base their own opinions upon what they see not what they are told.

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If I were someone to hold anomosity towards someone would I have posted that?  

Now, I have said my peice and would apprectiate it if my name and my shops name stays out of this little blood fued.  I under took the auction to help Charles, I dontanted money myself so whats a little more

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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2007, 07:05:58 AM »
I told you that we would tell the honest truth and the users could decide for themselves.

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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2007, 07:22:01 AM »
Please take this post to the Jerry Springer show because no one cares except the people involved.  If this stuff happened at BBE, then leave it there, don't bring it here.  Charles has always been a good member here and if you guys have a problem with him over there, then just be happy that he is banned and leave it at that.  For the users that change their names and ruin posts with stupid troll slander, you look more stupid than Charles.
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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2007, 07:46:08 AM »
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Please take this post to the Jerry Springer show because no one cares except the people involved.  If this stuff happened at BBE, then leave it there, don't bring it here.  Charles has always been a good member here and if you guys have a problem with him over there, then just be happy that he is banned and leave it at that.  For the users that change their names and ruin posts with stupid troll slander, you look more stupid than Charles.
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I can accept that. I know it made me look very immature and i apologize for that. However, how is cheating in the br scratch doubles league making him a good user over here? Also how is lying about being on staff making him a good user?
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Ok, I thought about it after I wrote the post, and you're right, it's probably a good idea for the users on BR to hear about what went down in the scratch doubles.  As far as lying about being on staff, I'm not sure that really affects anyone negatively, and I'd also bet that no one cares.  

As far as BBE coming on this site to bash Charles about what happened over there, that's silly and reflects badly on BBE for stooping to that.  Everything he listed in his nicely written 5 point checklist happened on another site, so leave it there.  I'm sorry that one of your "cliques" were broken up, but this site doesn't have the "mafia" or any other type of silly group to seperate the "good users" from the "newbie" (non Lane 1) guys.  I guess the only problem I have with this post is the BBE guy posting in it....
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Re: To All Those Who Are Harassing Charles
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2007, 08:00:18 AM »
tell us how you really feel!


"Charles is dishonest, manipulative, and wishes he was more than he is. He acts like a child"



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With my own personal experience with Charles he is a less than honest or loyal person to say the least.

There were some things going on for him and he would chat with me about them and come to me asking what I thought about it. Than he starts blowing his lid one day in the chat room so i told him to calm down and he flipped on me. Than he went around saying I was sticking in my nose in other people's business. Than he tried the same deal with me as he did with FBM, wouldn't work though.

Charles is dishonest, manipulative, and wishes he was more than he is. He acts like a child.