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lefty50

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Top weight in BuzzBomb
« on: February 21, 2008, 04:54:42 AM »
Breaking a point off an earlier thread for further discussion....
Assume for the moment that I buy into the hype that statics matter more in Lane 1 due to core design. Further assume that lack of top weight is particuarly egregious to the Lane 1 reaction characteristics down lane...

Given these assumed facts, then for a true low rev lefty on heavy long oil where all my equipment goes thru the breakpoint, and assuming I've already decided to drill my soon-to-arrive BB with pin below and betwen ring and middle, with Cg swung slightly, should there be a consideration for the maximum top weight on the ball? In other words, if low top weight aids the reaction on my described league condition but doesn't favor Lane 1 core design, would a low top weight Buzzbomb be a bad choice with weak hitting strength? Conversely, could too much top weight still cause even a strong ball like the BB to skid past the break point?
Suggestions for max (or min) top weight in this configuration appreciated.
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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2008, 02:34:40 PM »
lefty, that question will open a can of worms. If I give you my opinion, those worms will come crawling in from everywhere!
To rebut chris-m first. Your statement is not correct. I have seen many, many lane one balls with under 3oz top.

In my opinion, high top does help the ball get down the lane & does assist in hitting power. Therefore, bottom weight will get the ball into an earlier roll.
I don't like a ball with zero top or bottom after drilling. IMHO they hit softer, so if I want ending top weight I order a ball with high starting top. If I want a ball wth ending bottom weight, I order a ball with low starting top.
I don't need a lot of bashers jumping on me, but that is my opinion on the subject!
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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2008, 03:02:28 PM »
lefty, your profile says you have 90 degrees rotation. Is that correct..? If that is the case, you may want to consider a CG axis layout, i.e. axis leverage. =:^D

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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2008, 03:31:37 PM »
True, but I just modified my grip this week. Have only tried it one night, so need more data, but it looks like my track's up a good 2 inches now to within a "normal" 45 degree rotation pattern.

T-God, how about commenting on the top weight consideration in this thread. Your thoughts?

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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2008, 04:35:19 PM »
lefty, too much top weight could also cause the ball to skate past the break point. The higher top is good for a bit more off label, utilizing a weight hole.

I would suggest moving the pin to under the ring with the CG out a bit more. This will create a bit more wobble and flare for you, which will help the ball cut through the oil better. Leave a 3 to 2 ratio of top to ending side weight for maximum results. =:^D

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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 05:09:59 PM »
Ok, but what's a good top weight. You lose about 3 oz in drilling, right? If so, then with 1/2 side desired at end, I translate your remark to mean that a 3-3/4 oz ball would end up with 3/4 top. That sounds high to me if I want to avoid going thru the break.
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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2008, 05:23:34 PM »
lefty, what sounds high to you..?

In an off label type layout, i.e. CG leverage, pin 4 1/4" from PAP, you will lose about 3 oz. top. On a standard label drill with no balance hole, you'll loose roughly 2 1/2 oz. top, depending on your finger sizes.

With less revs, you will need a bit more top, more side weight and a stronger pin and/or CG placement to create more flare and more reaction down the lane using symmetrical type cores. =:^D

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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 05:36:28 PM »
Just wondering when to balance the top weight reaction enhancement against the corrolary that top weight will also push down the lanes a bit more. With heavy oil and potentially 90 degree rotation, I  am finding it hard to balance the two concepts.

Definitely commited to pin under ring and Cg swung about 1 to 1-1/2 inches. Sounds like a 3.5 oz top weight would be ok under heavy oil conditions?
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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 05:56:36 PM »
This is excellent. I have a SUPERNOVA XP with a label leverage drilling,(normally a drilling I can't use), my proshop operator was concerned because of the long pin with the low top weight(4.5" & 4 oz.), how to drill it. I still wanted the label drilling. The ball was negative side and heavy thumb. The only option was to move the centerline left which ended up with static side and 1/4oz. thumb. This moved the pin to 4' from pap. This ball is concrete truck. The ball moves almost as much as my BUZZBOMB. It has a massive backend, I mean MASSIVE!!!

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Re: Top weight in BuzzBomb
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 10:43:14 PM »
lefty, if you really have 90 degrees of rotation, then you can use some negative side and longer pins to PAP. This will get the ball to stand up sooner and change directions quicker. =:^D