Post by: pnj1967 on January 29, 2004, 09:45:20 PM
Edited on 1/30/2004 1:43 PM
Post by: BadShot on January 30, 2004, 12:57:23 PM
brunswick probably has the best series of equipment out now (except lane #1, of course) with their inferno balls. i doubt they're in financial trouble.
could be that if there is a delay, it's because brunswick is busy keeping up with their demand . . .
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Post by: kendog on January 30, 2004, 01:01:55 PM
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Post by: jkiser01 on January 30, 2004, 01:05:25 PM
I have never really seen a good answer to that question either. Anyone?
Also, for all you lane 1 experts, basically where will it fit in a lane 1 arsonal with a super carbide bomb, golden nugget and an emerald??
thanks..
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Post by: HamPster on January 30, 2004, 01:49:11 PM
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Post by: kendog on January 30, 2004, 01:59:52 PM
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Post by: fiber_cut on January 30, 2004, 02:02:36 PM
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Post by: snakes on January 30, 2004, 02:06:21 PM
Post by: Chazman819 on January 30, 2004, 02:09:05 PM
Remember the black cherry bomb was delayed when Brunswick was bringing out a ball, has the newest Inferno come out yet? If not, that could be why....
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Post by: charlest on January 30, 2004, 04:25:07 PM
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It's not Lane 1's own coverstock, it is a tweaked version of Brunswick's Activator coverstock.
Why would you say it was a tweaked version of Brunswick's Activator?
I wonder to the point of doubting that B'wick would tweak the cover for Lane#1 and they certainly wouldn't give Lane#1 the formula. My guess is that, IF it is the Activator coverstock that someone above said it was, THEN it is the pearl Activator coverstock from the original Inferno, because B'wick would also certainly not give Lane#1 their new solid Activator when their own version of it is not even out yet.
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Remember the black cherry bomb was delayed when Brunswick was bringing out a ball, has the newest Inferno come out yet? If not, that could be why....
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That I agree with.
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Post by: Chazman819 on January 30, 2004, 04:45:10 PM
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Chazman819 wrote:quote:
It's not Lane 1's own coverstock, it is a tweaked version of Brunswick's Activator coverstock.
Why would you say it was a tweaked version of Brunswick's Activator?
I wonder to the point of doubting that B'wick would tweak the cover for Lane#1 and they certainly wouldn't give Lane#1 the formula. My guess is that, IF it is the Activator coverstock that someone above said it was, THEN it is the pearl Activator coverstock from the original Inferno, because B'wick would also certainly not give Lane#1 their new solid Activator when their own version of it is not even out yet.quote:
Remember the black cherry bomb was delayed when Brunswick was bringing out a ball, has the newest Inferno come out yet? If not, that could be why....
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That I agree with.
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The reason I say it is a tweaked Activator is that Lane 1 doesn't call it an Activator coverstock. The called the coverstock on the BlueBerry the powerkoil 18 coverstock. Notice the Nugget has a p.17 carbide particle...think the foundation for that could be powerkoil 17?
I could very well be wrong, it could be Lane 1's own coverstock, just not one they are physically making yet.
If the new Inferno is now out yet, then I would put out money as to why the Uranium is being "delayed"
"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."
"No good deed goes unpunished."
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Post by: charlest on January 30, 2004, 06:27:02 PM
I see what you're talking about, but marketing is a very strange language unto itself. Note that Brunswick has never mentioned which base they were placing their particles in; that is, they never called a cover: "PK 17 plus particles".
"Uranium Coverstock" sounds so much more impressive than using the same name as Brunswick. The buying public still regards any thing radioactive with a lot of fear. Power is also associated with "radioactive", as in bombs.
Also, from a marketing standpoint, if this were the first cover that Lane#1 were developing themsleves, I have to believe that they would be making a MAJOR deal about on their website and in all their advertising.
All in all, I have no proof but am inclined to believe thi snew ball, if it has a Brunswick Activator cover (which is quite a great cover, indeed!), it is the original pearl one.
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Post by: twister on January 30, 2004, 09:32:18 PM
Post by: thinkyoung on January 30, 2004, 10:05:40 PM
as of Jan. 28, 2004 ABC has not approved this
ball and it also does not show up on the PBA
approved list either?
Post by: twister on January 30, 2004, 10:08:38 PM
Post by: snakes on January 30, 2004, 10:24:21 PM
Post by: Chazman819 on January 30, 2004, 10:43:05 PM
You may be right snakes, it could very well be just the original peral activator coverstock. I am inclined for the time being to think it's a tweaked version. Either way I am not complaining, tweak or no tweak, I have been impressed with the cover to begin with, and if I can start to understand my Nugget and the roll on it, I will be in line to buy one of these immediately.
One other reason why they may not be calling it the activator coverstock(if it is indeed not tweaked) is that i remember reading that everytime Lane 1 uses a Brunswick trademarked name in advertisement..ie Powerkoil 17, 18...etc...that they have to pay a fee...if this is true...why not call it your own name to avoid that? Assuming it is true they pay a fee for the name and also assuming Brunswick doesn't care what they call it. Food for thought
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Post by: golfnutFL on January 30, 2004, 10:54:05 PM
Post by: HamPster on January 31, 2004, 02:41:44 AM
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Post by: snakes on January 31, 2004, 08:48:52 AM
Post by: Doug Sterner on January 31, 2004, 06:19:22 PM
The ball is significantly stronger than the Blazing Inferno so have no fear.
The cover is not the cover from the Ragin Red Fuze....the cover on the Cherry Bomb was a lot closer to that one.
The ball is meant as a new and improved ball that is said to roll like a Pro Purple but be as versatile as the Blueberry. I was told by a rep that it is "a Pro Purple with more reaction on the back 1/2 of the lane."
The ball is going to rev early due tothe low RG and then be smooth dow the lane with a strong but not overly snappy move to the pocket.
The balls will be delivered late next week, early the following week. Just in time for your sweetie to get you one for Valentines day!!!!
C'mon guys.....let's go after that angle. It has to work....right???
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Post by: snakes on January 31, 2004, 06:22:33 PM
Post by: charlest on January 31, 2004, 08:05:48 PM
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Well if it is like a stronger backended Pro Purple, I am in. I carry two of them in my bag, now.
I suspect it is likely to go longer and have a lot stronger backend.
Does anyone realize how futile all this guessing is? Why not just wait and see what the ball winds up being?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on February 01, 2004, 12:38:03 AM
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Does anyone realize how futile all this guessing is? Why not just wait and see what the ball winds up being?
Where's the fun in that?
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 02, 2004, 04:26:51 PM
I still have time for more orders...anyone else???
$169 plus shipping!!!!
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 02, 2004, 07:29:47 PM
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Post by: A_P_K on February 02, 2004, 07:35:54 PM
Here U-Saw U-Saw, come to poppa!!!
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 02, 2004, 07:54:48 PM
Of course the conditions for use depend an awful lot on your own personal game, the oil pattern and where you want to play on the lane.
I am in on this one. I will be calling in my order in Thursday morning. ANybody wanting to get in on the preorder special of $169 plus shipping needs to contact me with payment info by Wednesday evening.
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Post by: Curly on February 03, 2004, 12:11:35 AM
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I just don't feel comfortable buying an unseen and untested ball that has not been used yet by the everyday league bowler. Does anyone see my point here......
Uh, I guess I do. I think this here ball is the coolest looking one yet. But...I am gonna hold off til somebody(one of us regular cats)actually uses one. Is this the third 'most versatile since the BB' ball? man, I lost count LOL! Ya know, I would buy one if it were really true but I dont see it happening....but thats just me.
Rant on:
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Rant off
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 03, 2004, 11:34:27 AM
He says that his Cherry Bomb, Nugget and everything else has sat in the bag since he started throwing his test ball.
I am thinking it's going to be fantastic. What I picture is the smooth roll of the Pro Purple with the backend and hit of the Blueberry. And I'll have mine Friday...WAHOO!!!!!
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Post by: Nails on February 03, 2004, 12:43:32 PM
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I was speaking with my sales rep today and he honestly feels that the Uranium will be the #1 selling Buzzsaw ever. He said the Nuggets continue to sell well as do the Cherry Bombs but he tells me that the Uranium is about the best ball he has ever thrown for conditions ranging from the lighter side of medium to the lighter side of heavy.
Didn't they say that about the cherry bombs and golden nugget too? I hate when companies do that. We all know they have to tell us their new ball is great so we buy it, but lay off the hype.
I also agree with Curly. If you're a ball junkie or a member of the ball of the month club, go for it. Otherwise get some feedback before buying. When the green bomb came out, it was supposed to be the next best thing from lane#1. Turns out not that many people liked it. I haven't seen that many people singing the praises of the cranberry either. Core/coverstock matchup is very important. People do seem to like the golden nugget - different cover, better results.
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Post by: A_P_K on February 03, 2004, 12:59:23 PM
You wanna pay for mine too???
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Post by: Curly on February 03, 2004, 01:05:03 PM
Post by: Nails on February 03, 2004, 01:12:07 PM
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Clumped,
The issue is if we all waited for feedback, no one would have one. Considering that this ball is probably the Activator Coverstock, and we know that many love that coverstock, I don't seen an issue with trying it out.
I don't remember hearing any hype about the GN being the best selling Buzzsaw, nor did I hear anything about the Cranberry, except that it was replacing the best selling buzzsaw ever.
One rep said he believe that it could be the best ever. Am I willing to give it a shot?? Hell yeah, sometimes, just sometimes, ya hafta take the leap and give something a shot... oh well it is nice to have money to burn.. ;-)
-IEQ
#1: Like I said, die hards and ball of the month clubs will buy them. I assume lane#1 provides some test balls for a few pros or top proshops. I know they don't comp a ton of balls because they don't have a big staff like other companies. There will be feedback for those that are a little skeptical. Also the inferno seems to have a bit of a love/hate relationship. I'm not doubting the longevity, but Hampster, BrianN, and others have seen a lot of people not getting good carry. Plus AGAIN, it's the core/cover matchup that's important. Lots of balls look good on paper, but don't work out. That's why I mentioned the golden nugget working better than the cranberry.
#2: I said golden nugget and cherry bombs, not cranberry. And I do remember hearing a lot of hype about these balls.
#3: One rep's endorsement doesn't mean much to me. I hope he likes it since he works for the company. I'm sure someone at columbia thought the orange dot was a great ball. Same with amf and the bone xs, storm and the skybolt... If you're willing to give it a shot because you've had success with lane#1 and you have money to burn on an unseen project, great. Not everyone wants to do that. Let the people riding the fence know how it works out.
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Post by: SwiftravenWork on February 03, 2004, 03:00:58 PM
I will wait until Icem gets his and watch him throw it before I decide if I will get it...wait, nevermind, every single Lane1 he throws hooks the same amount, no matter if its a BCB or the XXL
Maybe I will throw his and see how it goes. The only ball I have ever gotten and not seen thrown first was the Cherry Bomb and I lucked out on that one.
Post by: SwiftravenWork on February 03, 2004, 03:14:43 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 03, 2004, 08:26:46 PM
The XXXL is the best plastic ball ever made.
The Cherry Bomb did have more backend than any other BUzzsaw made
The Super Carbide Bomb will hook in even the nastiest of oil.
The Carbide bomb? ok yeah that was a dud.
The Cranberry is a big backend ball for those with the wrist to snap it off and if you dont drill it too aggressively.
The XXL is a great urethane but it did end up stronger than they wanted it.
From the specs I see it will match well for most people....
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Post by: da Shiv on February 04, 2004, 12:44:17 PM
Just thought I'd bump this thread back up to the top to see if anyone has any new info on this new Buzzsaw Inferno. The last post was YESTERDAY! Come on, what's new TODAY?!!
Shiv
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Post by: Nails on February 04, 2004, 01:17:09 PM
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The way I see it, they have been right about 90% of their ads...
The XXXL is the best plastic ball ever made.
The Cherry Bomb did have more backend than any other Buzzsaw made
The Super Carbide Bomb will hook in even the nastiest of oil.
The Carbide bomb? ok yeah that was a dud.
The Cranberry is a big backend ball for those with the wrist to snap it off and if you dont drill it too aggressively.
The XXL is a great urethane but it did end up stronger than they wanted it.
From the specs I see it will match well for most people....
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I don't know...
Is the XXXL better than a gemstone, clear wolf, clear amulet, or grenade? Best ever made? How would you prove that? Could you prove that it would be better than a yellow dot in it's prime, on the oil used then? Probably best in current production, but that's not what you said.
I don't remember if the cherry bomb was advertised as having more backend than any other Buzzsaw? The ad says most powerfull reactive ball ever made. Another claim that can't be proved. Does the CB have more backend than a cherry or silver pearl? The CB probably handles more oil, but more backend than a silver?
Never seen a SCB, but it has a good reputation. Is it as good as a midnight scorcher, angle evolution tour... ?
Was the cranberry advertised as being a big backend ball? It is for clump, but Steven and Hamster say no. I also know clump and he can get anything to flip. I don't remember anyone else really liking the cranberry. I thought it was advertised as a benchmark ball, not a skid snap ball. I did go back and look at the ad. Had to save the stupid thing as a bmp file and rotate it just to read it. Ugh. It does say length and strong backend finish, but doesn't mention being their strongest. I also don't see a disclaimer about having big revs and weak drilling to get advertised results.
I haven't seen the XXL, but I have read it's a little strong. Not quite what people were expecting. Tha't my point about the uranium. It might be a great ball, but it could be another green bowm. Core/coverstock matchup. Again.
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Post by: pnj1967 on February 04, 2004, 03:20:15 PM
Post by: freedomrules3 on February 04, 2004, 11:58:00 PM
Rick,
Thanks for checking out our website, hope you've enjoyed it. The coverstock is a pearl resin, RG 2.45, Diff. .043, hook rating 23, flare potential is 5". If you have any further questions, feel free to contact us again anytime by e-mail or phone 1-800-Lane No.1 (526-3661). Thank you for your interest.
Sincerely,
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sounds like between a cherry and a nugget to me should be a winner. i have one on order and the guy i'm getting it from says it will be here friday. the cherry bomb has been very good to me
. in fact after buying it there are four people now using them in our house 2 cherry's and 2 super bombs. this new ball does have the older buzzsaw core but it is the densest allowed by the abc. Post by: LeftE on February 05, 2004, 12:09:33 AM
Seriously IceM's balls all have the same exact hook. The only difference is the Golden Nugget hooks the most (by two boards), the Super Carbide Bomb never works (never enough oil), and XXXL doesn't hook.
The Green Emarld, BCB, Cherry Bomb, and XXL all cover the same exact number of boards. They are all drilled identical, and have slightly different break points. In order of most angular to least angular... GN, XXL with BCB and green emarld in a tie. The GN and XXL are about the same also.
The only problem is when the lanes are drying up, and the shots go heavy, lane 1, all the balls break way too much.
Post by: LeftE on February 05, 2004, 12:10:13 AM
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 05, 2004, 12:19:35 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 05, 2004, 01:07:13 AM
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Post by: SwiftravenWork on February 06, 2004, 12:48:39 PM
Icem has gone temporarily insane. Some neurons are stuck at asking for a 1:30 drilling anytime he gets a ball drilled. Do not listen to him. LeftE is right, every single ball he has hooks the same, its unreal.
Please, please, no more 1:30 drillings
Jason
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 07, 2004, 01:09:21 AM
I will have my Uraniums in the shop on Tuesday. The weather delayed things a day or so.
So guys as soon as I see them I'll rebox, drill and or ship them out.
Thanks !!!!
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