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Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« on: June 24, 2008, 02:04:16 AM »
Haha, sorry to jump right in with my first post in the Lane 1 forum pissing people off, but I just couldn't help it.

I have always wanted to try a Saw but never have, but I just bought the Carbide + that Warren300 had on Ebay, so I finally get my chance!

What's to expect out of the C+?  Not many reviews on here, but all were positive.  I am looking for it to be my "heavier" oil ball.  Not flood, but medium heavy I guess.  I dropped to 14lbs not too long ago, so I am still piecing my arsenal together, but if the C+ works like I think it will, lineup should be

Resurgence - Flood
Carbide + - Med Heavy
Hei$t - Med - Med Light
High Rev - Light
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2008, 10:57:56 AM »
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Regardless, enjoy the C+. It's one of the better Lane#1 balls that didn't get a lot of press.
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in fact it was bashed as it was promoted as a oiler... and didn't fullfill the "advertised" expectations
+ the coverstock is a bit finicky when it comes to keeping it clean... as all strong balls do! So nothing to complain.

Similar things havce happened with the NM as I remember and many people complained... now they complain about the ball being discontinued

whatever... the C+ is offering a versatile core with a good coverstock.. I will see how my short pin C+ will come out after the drilling... will get a "roller" I am sure.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2008, 11:18:47 AM »
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in fact it was bashed as it was promoted as a oiler... and didn't fulfill the "advertised" expectations
 


Grayson: Like much of the 'bashing' of Lane#1 products, it's usually by posters who have general bowling challenges still to overcome. You see it across the board, and most recently with the BuzzBomb, which is probably the most phrased heavy oiler (by knowledgeable professional independent testers) on the market today.

As far as the C+, look at Absolutebowling's comments on the ball:      

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I've used it on a number of patterns, and its actually an extremely impressive piece. Its versatility and ability to play different lines is awesome! Carry is second to none, and its smooth even ROLL, with strong grab on the back reminds me alot of what I have seen with the c300 action max, but the C+ seems to have more continuation. It handles medium heavy to heavy very well, but can be used with good speed on mediums playing the swinging shot. Forget dry...


And this from someone who's had several emotional meltdowns and hates Lane#1 overall!!

Keep the basher comments in perspective.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 01:46:18 PM »
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in fact it was bashed as it was promoted as a oiler... and didn't fulfill the "advertised" expectations
 


Grayson: Like much of the 'bashing' of Lane#1 products, it's usually by posters who have general bowling challenges still to overcome. You see it across the board, and most recently with the BuzzBomb, which is probably the most phrased heavy oiler (by knowledgeable professional independent testers) on the market today.

As far as the C+, look at Absolutebowling's comments on the ball:      

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I've used it on a number of patterns, and its actually an extremely impressive piece. Its versatility and ability to play different lines is awesome! Carry is second to none, and its smooth even ROLL, with strong grab on the back reminds me alot of what I have seen with the c300 action max, but the C+ seems to have more continuation. It handles medium heavy to heavy very well, but can be used with good speed on mediums playing the swinging shot. Forget dry...


And this from someone who's had several emotional meltdowns and hates Lane#1 overall!!

Keep the basher comments in perspective.
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Steven,

No offense meant but who are all these independant testers?  Everything I look at shows the heavy oiler as the Resurgence or Fury and now the Dimension and Cell look like they are in that Category as well.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 01:55:06 PM »
Even Lane 1 came out and said the Buzzbomb didn't handle the heavy oil it claimed it would, or did it live up to the hook potential it promised.  Now that I can live with that, I have had great success with my second Buzzbomb.


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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2008, 02:15:34 PM »
Wow, after this flurry of back and forth, I am even more excited to roll this thing and see what it does.  I am hoping the span is close enough to play around with it before I pay for a plug and drill.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2008, 02:45:23 PM »
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Even Lane 1 came out and said the Buzzbomb didn't handle the heavy oil it claimed it would, or did it live up to the hook potential it promised.  


Nic: I would love to see reference to Lane#1 making those statements. Please do show.


mmcfarland300: A search back to the beginning of this year will show input from independent testers on the BuzzBomb. The list includes allstarbowling.com, AverageJoesProShop.com, BuddiesProShop.com, and Joe Cerar Jr. from Bowler's Journal International (BJI).

Some highlights:

allstarbowling.com -- We have found that this ball DEFINATELY is in need of oil volume! When starting out with a fresh pattern this ball will be quite a monster. Definately gets into a heavy mid lane read and follows with a strong,
aggressive move to the pocket.

Similar Ball Comparisons:
Attitude Shift [Very simliar motions with same layout]
Fury [Not as angular in out of box, dull finish]
Resurgence [Very similiar, though Resurgence seems not to be as angular]

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AverageJoesProShop.com: Hello again, just wanted to let everyone know that the new videos for the Lane #1 Buzz Bomb are available on our website. We were so impressed with this ball we decided to do two videos to show its versatility.

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BuddiesProShop.com: All the claims from the (Lane#1) ad were confirmed when I threw this ball. This is definitely the most hook of any Buzzsaw I've thrown. In box finish, you definitely need oil in the front part of the lane. You can count the number of balls that are able to handle the swamp in the middle of our house shot on one hand, and this is definitely one of them.  

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I guess these testers didn't get Nicanor's memo about the BuzzBomb failing to live up to expectations. That's probably a good thing because we got to read what the Buzzbomb is actually capable of.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2008, 02:52:14 PM »
Steven...Thoes "testers" are all companies that SELL BALLS!

If they told the customers it was, you think anyone would buy -it ?

Come-on man.....Do you have ANY non-proshops that tested it !?
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2008, 03:13:06 PM »
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Steven...Those "testers" are all companies that SELL BALLS!


Wow 302efi, I guess that means all proshop reviews (regardless of company) should be tossed out the window because they're evil and biased.  

Yea right....None of these proshops have any affiliation with Lane#1 and have no incentive to lie or embellish. In fact, if their only interest was in pushing inventory, they'd probably spend their time testing and reviewing cheaper equipment that will sell in greater volume and bring more cash into the register. So you're saying they're financially stupid in addition to being sleazy? Very nice.

If you want to come out and directly call these testers dishonest, man-up and come out and do so.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2008, 03:50:06 PM »
BTM reviewed it just the same and I don't think they have some secret agenda.
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2008, 04:04:30 PM »
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Steven...Those "testers" are all companies that SELL BALLS!


Yes, they're companies that sell balls, but none have any business affiliation with Lane#1. I specifically left off the list Beans, Doug Sterner, etc. to avoid responses like yours.

According to your logic, all proshop reviews (regardless of company) are biased to sell equipment and should be tossed out the window. However, if all these shops were interested in is pushing inventory, they'd focus on pimping lower priced equipment that will sell in greater volume -- not a BuzzBomb.

If you really believe these guys are bogus and dishonest, maybe you should just come out and call them on it.
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2008, 04:05:07 PM »
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Steven...Those "testers" are all companies that SELL BALLS!


Yes, they're companies that sell balls, but none have any business affiliation with Lane#1. I specifically left off the list Beans, Doug Sterner, etc. to avoid responses like yours.

According to your logic, all proshop reviews (regardless of company) are biased to sell equipment and should be tossed out the window. However, if all these shops were interested in is pushing inventory, they'd focus on pimping lower priced equipment that will sell in greater volume -- not a BuzzBomb.

If you really believe these guys are bogus and dishonest, maybe you should just come out and call them on it.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2008, 04:33:36 PM »
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Steven...Those "testers" are all companies that SELL BALLS!


Yes, they're companies that sell balls, but none have any business affiliation with Lane#1. I specifically left off the list Beans, Doug Sterner, etc. to avoid responses like yours.

According to your logic, all proshop reviews (regardless of company) are biased to sell equipment and should be tossed out the window. However, if all these shops were interested in is pushing inventory, they'd focus on pimping lower priced equipment that will sell in greater volume -- not a BuzzBomb.

If you really believe these guys are bogus and dishonest, maybe you should just come out and call them on it.
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Steven in the comments you listed no where in there does it say that it is stronger or has more hook potential just that it is different be it more angular or more arcing.  I am not saying it is a bad ball, just thought your statement saying it is praised as the most heavy oiler ball on the market was a little over the top.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2008, 04:53:58 PM »
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Steven in the comments you listed no where in there does it say that it is stronger or has more hook potential just that it is different be it more angular or more arcing.


mmcfarland300: Please re-read allstarbowling.com's assessment:

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Similar Ball Comparisons:
Attitude Shift [Very similar motions with same layout]
Fury [Not as angular in out of box, dull finish]
Resurgence [Very similar, though Resurgence seems not to be as angular]
 


It's saying that neither the Fury nor the Resurgence are as angular on the heavier oil conditions as the BuzzBomb. Especially in the case of the Resurgence, that is saying a lot. So at least this one reviewer is saying the BuzzBomb is a very competent (and more angular) heavy oil ball in relation to it's major competitors.

Further, BuddiesProShop says "You can count the number of balls that are able to handle the swamp in the middle of our house shot on one hand, and this is definitely one of them." They don't say what the other balls are, but the implication is clear with respect to the heavy oil capabilities of the BuzzBomb.

I've provided some fairly detailed backup. I'm not sure exactly what else you're looking for here. All the oiler mentioned (except the Fury) are good balls that most bowlers should be happy with. The BuzzBomb just gives a little more angularity that many bowlers would find to be of value.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2008, 05:15:04 PM »
Again I'm not saying it isn't a valuable ball I'm saying that you using the phrase "praised as the best oiler" is over the top.  In todays industry you can not say any one ball is the best every ball even heavy oil balls will fit people differently.  There are too many variations in ones game that can effect overall hooking motion and it is imo irresponsible to say the biggest ball on the market is X.  I can personally tell you that when using the Buzzbomb it has been weaker than both The Fury and the Resurgence.
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Re: Well I did it, I am stirring the Kool-Aid right now, how long until my Avg. goes up?
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2008, 10:38:20 AM »
mmcfarland300: I actually said the following:

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the BuzzBomb, which is probably the most phrased heavy oiler (by knowledgeable professional independent testers) on the market today.  


Saying the BuzzBomb is 'probably the most phrased heavy oiler' is not me saying it's the best heavy oiler. It's simply a statement saying the BuzzBomb has probably generated more positive press from knowledgeable independent reviewers than it's current competition. I've provided backup to support that assertion. If you disagree and want to dig up evidence to the contrary, please do.

I also said earlier that the other oilers I referenced are very good pieces and should do the job for most bowlers. If you want to read more into my comments than what I've stated, maybe you have a different agenda you'd like to go into further.
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