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Strapper_Squared

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315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« on: January 22, 2004, 07:26:32 PM »
Hey everyone.  Has anyone drilled a buzzsaw with a 315° layout?  I have a blue solid carbide that I am going to "experiment" with and wanted to try one of these layouts.
Thanks in advance for any input / comments.

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Goof1073

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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2004, 10:40:20 AM »
If you want to experiment with this drilling I would suggest doing it on an old ball of yours first.  This drilling isn't for everyone and I would hate to see someone waste a new ball on this, let alone a buzzsaw that costs a little more.

Strapper_Squared

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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2004, 11:41:05 AM »
No worries... its a used one that's been plugged before  
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Goof1073

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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2004, 12:05:02 PM »
Well in that case go for it!  

The only ball that I ever had this drilling in was a Red Hot that I had gotten from a regional pro that I know.  It's hard to tell what the drilling would do in a more aggressive ball...but it pretty much killed the Red Hot it was in.  It was the 3rd RH that I owned and this one did absolutely nothing compared to my others.  It was almost like throwing a plastic ball out there!!  

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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2004, 12:28:10 PM »
http://www.rollrite.co.uk/secrets.php?id=11
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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2004, 11:31:10 PM »
At the bowling alley one of the young guns who rips the cover off of the ball has an Emerald Buzzsaw that he bought from the owner of the lanews who didn'r like the ball. He had it redrilled to a 315 drilling and with his rev rate it gives him a nice gentle move into the pocket. I do not know any specs on the ball except that of the 315 drilling confirmed by the pro shop driller.
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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2004, 07:59:18 AM »
Yes... that web page says with a pin in ball with a pre-marked MB only... but I have seen balls with 2-3" pins and no pre-marked mass bias used....just never a buzzsaw.  I think that I'll probably just give it a try (worst case, I plug the ball again)...  and I'll leave some feedback here on how it goes.

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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2004, 09:45:05 AM »
Alright,  its finished.  I bought a solid carbide used.  I had the ball plugged up and planned on drilling it with a 315° layout.  Unfortunately, the ball had a 3.5" pin, making it a little long for this type of layout.  SO, I decided to go with a 180° layout instead.  Put the pin under and right of the ring finger and the cg above and left of the middle finger in the track.  

For me, this layout gives the ball a medium amount of length (likely due to the surface of the ball... since I currently have it finished with Ebonite Matte finish) with a very strong arc at the break point.  The ball revs fairly easily w/out having to put much effort into it.  Once it gets to the backends, the ball sort of "lays-off" as it enters the pocket.  It doesn't roll out or seem to lose energy, but rather "flattens out."  Although this seems as it might hurt the carry, It actually hits very well!

Before drilling, I was worried about flaring over the fingers (since I have a very high track and have had flare problems in the past using pin under the finger layouts).  I don't seem to have any trouble with this layout.  Actually, my track is a little lower than normal...  possibly situating the core in this position lowers the track a little?  I'm not sure, but whatever the reason, it works.  

I've only used it a couple of games on a fairly easy house shot, so I'm eager to try it out on some other conditions.  From what I see, I think it should work well on a variety of shots.  

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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2004, 10:02:23 AM »
I think the only reason they mention premarked MB
is because they are talking about asymetrical cores.

IF you draw a line from the pin through the cg about 6.75"
I think is what it is.  That is the MB on a symetrical core.

http://www.rollrite.co.uk/secrets.php?id=2

I think the 315 is used to tame release mistakes that are magnified
by the more aggressive asymetrical cores.


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Re: 315° (wiseman) drill on a buzzsaw?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2004, 10:02:40 AM »
I have had some drillings like this.  I have seen the similar results.  Due, to the flattening, I had to keep creeping out to keep the angle where I needed it.  For me, these were twig only drillings. I also had to either play very light, or very heavy in the hole.  Just my observations.