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Sir Bowl-A-Lot

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Black Cherry BOMB
« on: July 22, 2003, 04:56:08 PM »
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Too bad it's not under their ball category just yet...
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Brickguy221

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Re: Black Cherry BOMB
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2003, 01:09:34 PM »
Has anyone ever noticed that almost of all the whinners and complainers never have a profile?
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Re: Black Cherry BOMB
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2003, 03:44:04 PM »
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Most people who buy balls from me can verify this fact because I cross out the factory pin placement on the box and write in the EXACT pin placement when I get the ball.
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This is true.  Doug is very thorough.
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Doug Sterner

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Re: Black Cherry BOMB
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2003, 01:35:52 AM »
So Mezz what you are telling me is that less than 15% of the ball's reaction is due to the core design? So you are saying it is 85% tires and 15% motor?

If you are so correct then why do companies spend so much R&D time on cores yet they use the same coverstocks over and over and over again? Columbia has used SuperFlex forever and Brunswick has used PowerKoil for almost as long. Why all of the cores then???

If you search around on any lane you can find a place to play if you have a ball drilled to get into a roll. A good bowler is fully capable of adjusting the hand position and release to get the ball to push or start sooner if needed.

It is also proven that the proper angle is what generates strikes. that angle is generated by the core tilt and how quickly the ball reaches it stabilized axis. Mo Pinel says it best...core shape determines motion.

I'll give you that 60% of the ball reaction is coverstock. 25% core and layout and 15% bowler. Yes coverstock matters but not 85-90%. You need horsepower to race but it doesnt work if you cant get it to the ground. Yes tires are needed but the motor has more than 15% effect on things.
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Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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Re: Black Cherry BOMB
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2003, 10:42:10 AM »
Mezz, if you're saying that balls do not hook, then I will say that lanes do not hook. Bowlers make the hook. I would say that in todays world, every company has close to the same resin.

So, it's more the core and core angle that will give you the reaction you're looking for. You can pretty much kill the reation of any ball if you put the core 6 3/4" from your PAP. Or, almost every ball will hook if you drill it max leverage.

So, I believe the core and/or drilling makes up about 50% of the ball reaction, if not more. =:^D
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Doug Sterner

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Re: Black Cherry BOMB
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2003, 12:46:47 PM »
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Drilling a ball 3 3/8 (max leverage)from the postitive axis point (PAP) will not make the ball hook more. All this does is create more imbalance by increasing the track flare which moves the breakpoint closer to your eyes.


this is totally off base...increased imbalance causes the ball to lose speed sooner so it starts it's hook sooner....the loss of speed is induced by the rotational torque of the core not wanting to do what you are trying to make it do. This imbalance causes the ball to flare and thereby letting the ball roll over an un-oiled ball track and allowing more friction to help the ball hook more. It has nothing to do with moving the breakpoint closer to your eyes and making it look like it hooks more.

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Yes, drilling does make up a small percentage of ball reaction because the ball is out of balance and is looking for its prefrerred spin axis(PSA) to get basically into balance and during this migration period is where the ball makes its biggest move.


If drilling only has a small part to do with it, then why will ball drilled sat 4x4 and pin axis act so much differently? The core layout and dynamics cause the difference.

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Bowling balls do not hook in oil because there is no friction.
All these big load particle balls do is slow the ball down from sliding too much and lose speed as you still need friction for the ball to hook.


While this is true, the loss of speed will cause the ball to start it's attempt at changing direction sooner and therefore get the ball rotating in the proper direction and start it's hooking motion. When you use a heavy load particle on lanes that are too dry, it starts it's change of direction too soon, the ball reaches it's PSA too quickly and then rolls out because it has no more imbalance left to continue hooking.

The new balls are way different from teh classics although the classic still hold true...whay was the Black Hammer the ball to have over the Black U Dot? The core design caused it to start to rill sooner and had a better reaction on the lanes.

I still agree with the early Storm ratings of :
60% cover
25% core and layout
15% bowler and lane conditions

you have every right to disagree mezz but I have a right to my opinion as well. I have been to enough ball seminars to understand the physics of it all (Bill Tayor's book "Balance" helps too...thanks pnj1967!!!!) and it helps that I had a few physics courses in my day :-) See being a science teacher does pay off!!!


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Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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Re: Black Cherry BOMB
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2003, 01:00:03 PM »
I am no rocket scientist, and Lord knows that I am learning this layout stuff, BUT even a layout novice like myself knows that the COVER of the ball is like the tires on a car, AND without the right CORE (the engine), the car does not perform optimally.  Then you take the awesome knowledge of a pro shoip driller (for my demonstration I will use my favorite; Doug Sterner), and he adds the proper, and most effective layout (the right gas), and the Engine runs the car/ball to peakness, thus allowing the tires to perform at their peak.

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